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Groups mixed on Mary Cheney's pregnancy
Yahoo ^ | December 6, 2006 | Yahoo/AP

Posted on 12/06/2006 8:50:01 PM PST by freedomdefender

Conservative leaders voiced dismay Wednesday at news that Mary Cheney, the lesbian daughter of Dick Cheney, is pregnant, while a gay-rights group said the vice president faces "a lifetime of sleepless nights" for serving in an administration that has opposed recognition of same-sex couples.

Mary Cheney, 37, and her partner of 15 years, Heather Poe, 45, are expecting a baby in late spring, said Lea Anne McBride, a spokeswoman for the vice president.

"The vice president and Mrs. Cheney are looking forward with eager anticipation" to the arrival of their sixth grandchild, McBride said.

Mary Cheney was an aide to her father during the 2004 campaign, and now is vice president for consumer advocacy at AOL. She and Poe moved from Colorado to Virginia a year ago to be closer to the Cheney family.

Family Pride, which advocates on behalf of gay and lesbian families, noted that Virginia last month became one of 27 states with a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.

"Unless they move to a handful of less restrictive states, Heather will never be able to have a legal relationship with her child," said Family Pride executive director Jennifer Chrisler.

The couple "will quickly face the reality that no matter how loved their child will be. ... he or she will never have the same protections that other children born to heterosexual couples enjoy," Chrisler said. "Grandfather Cheney will no doubt face a lifetime of sleepless nights as he reflects on the irreparable harm he and his administration have done to the millions of American gay and lesbian parents and their children."

For years, Mary Cheney's openness about her sexual orientation had posed a dilemma for conservative activists who admire Dick Cheney's stance on many issues but consider homosexuality a sin.

Janice Crouse of Concerned Women for America described the pregnancy as "unconscionable."

"It's very disappointing that a celebrity couple like this would deliberately bring into the world a child that will never have a father," said Crouse, a senior fellow at the group's think tank. "They are encouraging people who don't have the advantages they have."

Crouse said there was no doubt that the news would, in conservatives' eyes, be damaging to the Bush administration, which already has been chided by some leaders on the right for what they felt was halfhearted commitment to anti-abortion and anti-gay-rights causes in this year's general election.

Carrie Gordon Earll, a policy analyst for the conservative Christian ministry Focus on the Family, expressed empathy for the Cheney family but depicted the newly announced pregnancy as unwise.

"Just because you can conceive a child outside a one-woman, one-man marriage doesn't mean it's a good idea," said. "Love can't replace a mother and a father."

The vice president's office declined to elaborate on the circumstances of Mary Cheney's pregnancy.

The news was welcomed by the president of the largest national gay-rights group, Joe Solmonese of the Human Rights Campaign.

"Mary and Heather's decision to have a child is an example that families in America come in all different shapes and sizes," he said. "The bottom line is that a family is made up of love and commitment."


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1 posted on 12/06/2006 8:50:03 PM PST by freedomdefender
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To: freedomdefender

Well isn't that special. Is the father handing out cigars? Oh wait, there isn't a father - or, there is, but I guess he donated through a test tube.


2 posted on 12/06/2006 8:52:13 PM PST by freedomdefender
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To: freedomdefender

"Crouse said there was no doubt that the news would, in conservatives' eyes, be damaging to the Bush administration, "

And that would be absolutely ridiculous. How exactly does the Bush administration have any control over her?


3 posted on 12/06/2006 8:53:10 PM PST by NinoFan
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To: freedomdefender

The news was welcomed by the president of the largest national gay-rights group, Joe Solmonese of the Human Rights Campaign.
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No surprise -- as a father of two, I think it is SELFISH for gays to get pregnant without a father to help raise the child -- it is quite selfish, in fact.


4 posted on 12/06/2006 8:53:23 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: freedomdefender
This vile news story will be kept around for the next 9 months and beyond and will cause the GOP to hemorrhage even more social conservative voters. Too bad we have nowhere else to go...yet.
5 posted on 12/06/2006 8:54:08 PM PST by Antoninus (Rudy as nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media love him?)
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To: freedomdefender
Crouse said there was no doubt that the news would, in conservatives' eyes, be damaging to the Bush administration, which already has been chided by some leaders on the right for what they felt was halfhearted commitment to anti-abortion and anti-gay-rights causes in this year's general election.

I don't get the righteous indignation directed toward Bush from some quarters over this. WTF is Bush supposed to do about it, yell at her? And what are the Cheneys supposed to do, quit loving their daughter? I'm quite certain the kid will turn out just fine with Dick and Lynn as grandparents.

6 posted on 12/06/2006 8:54:37 PM PST by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: lesser_satan
You can't blame Cheney for his daughter, any more than you can blame Reagan for dancing Ronnie Jr.

But that doesn't mean that Mary herself can't be criticized.

7 posted on 12/06/2006 8:56:01 PM PST by freedomdefender
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To: NinoFan
And that would be absolutely ridiculous. How exactly does the Bush administration have any control over her?

It's all about news media spin, brother. This kind of cr@p is a disaster for the GOP among social conservatives.

IMO, this story will end up doing more damage to the GOP than the Mark Foley scandal ever did.
8 posted on 12/06/2006 8:56:43 PM PST by Antoninus (Rudy as nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media love him?)
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To: freedomdefender

Just because ones child does something outrageous and irresponsible, not to mention selfish, does that mean a parent (and a high elected official) is supposed to fully support the decision, champion it and celebrate it from the highest rooftops ? Give me a break.


9 posted on 12/06/2006 8:57:03 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: freedomdefender

she is free to make whatever choices she wants, that's a separate issue from what society as a whole must be willing to codify into law regarding her personal choices. she should not be demonized or criticized in any way, that simply marginalizes conservatives as being the "judgemental religious right" crowd.

I wish her well, in a age where so many women abort their babies - she at least wants to give birth to one.


10 posted on 12/06/2006 8:57:10 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Antoninus

You can't stop people from having babies because they're lesbians...you do know that, don't you? And you do know that straight people have artificial insemination too, don't you?


11 posted on 12/06/2006 8:58:52 PM PST by Hildy ("Death plucks my ear and says - LIVE - I am coming.....")
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To: freedomdefender
Is the father handing out cigars?

No, that's David Crosby and his turkey-baster.
12 posted on 12/06/2006 8:59:04 PM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: Antoninus

that's because the "social conservatives" are too judgemental. what do they want Dick Cheney do to, abort the baby?

just leave her alone - her decision to have a baby has nothing to do with whether gay marriage needs to be codified into law by the rest of us.


13 posted on 12/06/2006 8:59:16 PM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview

I wish her well, in a age where so many women abort their babies - she at least wants to give birth to one





I suspect it was a planned pregnancy.


14 posted on 12/06/2006 8:59:24 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: freedomdefender

I'm with you there. I don't think same-sex couples should be able to adopt, and fertility clinics shouldn't be AE-ing them either, as appears to be the case here. But I don't understand the hand-wringing directed at W or the Cheneys. There's plenty of legitimate reasons to be angry with Bush, and this ain't one of 'em.


15 posted on 12/06/2006 9:00:06 PM PST by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: freedomdefender
Mary Cheney, the lesbian daughter of Vice President Dick Cheney. The same Dick Cheney who was also a Halliburton former chief executive! lol
16 posted on 12/06/2006 9:00:13 PM PST by endthematrix ("If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons.")
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To: freedomdefender

Reagan Jr. makes you wish Nancy had a headache the night they conceived. Michael is the only real son of Ronnie, Sr., heart and soul, even if he isn't blood.


17 posted on 12/06/2006 9:00:21 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: oceanview
she should not be demonized or criticized in any way

No? Not for willfully depriving her child of any knowledge of the man who sired him/her? What does a lesbo-mom tell her little kid when he asks--and eventually all of them will--who his Daddy was, anyway? Do they lie?

I seriously want to know what the answer to that question is.
18 posted on 12/06/2006 9:00:56 PM PST by Antoninus (Rudy as nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media love him?)
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To: durasell

indeed. whatever it is, its her choice.


19 posted on 12/06/2006 9:01:17 PM PST by oceanview
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To: freedomdefender

"Mary Cheney, 37, and her partner of 15 years, Heather Poe, 45, are expecting a baby in late spring,"

""Mary and Heather's decision to have a child"


I failed Biology (among many other courses), does this mean Cheney carries/uses the other's embryo?


Other then that..this isn't a big deal...I put it in the "Who Cares" category....


20 posted on 12/06/2006 9:02:51 PM PST by dakine
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To: Antoninus

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IMO, this story will end up doing more damage to the GOP than the Mark Foley scandal ever did."

Is this story a good thing? No. I fear for how the child will be brought up and this certaintly doesn't reflect well on the Vice President's family but more damage than Foley? Come on. Foley was an elected member of congress. This woman is not an elected anything.


21 posted on 12/06/2006 9:02:53 PM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: freedomdefender
"Unless they move to a handful of less restrictive states, Heather will never be able to have a legal relationship with her child," said Family Pride executive director Jennifer Chrisler.

By law it should NEVER be allowed!

The couple "will quickly face the reality that no matter how loved their child will be. ... he or she will never have the same protections that other children born to heterosexual couples enjoy," Chrisler said. "Grandfather Cheney will no doubt face a lifetime of sleepless nights as he reflects on the irreparable harm he and his administration have done to the millions of American gay and lesbian parents and their children."

This is sick. This daughter is totally selfish. It's bad enough she wants a totally perverted lifestyle - CHOICE - and then to create a child - artificially is beyond the pale. It's worse than sinful.
22 posted on 12/06/2006 9:03:37 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: SmoothTalker; Antoninus

Foley is the father? What did I miss?


23 posted on 12/06/2006 9:03:58 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: oceanview
that's because the "social conservatives" are too judgemental. what do they want Dick Cheney do to, abort the baby?

You want judgmental? How's this: I think your opinion on this subject is moronic.

just leave her alone - her decision to have a baby has nothing to do with whether gay marriage needs to be codified into law by the rest of us.

Would that the media let her alone. This sickening story is going to be all over the place for at least the next year.

If I were Cheney, I'd resign for the good of the party.
24 posted on 12/06/2006 9:03:59 PM PST by Antoninus (Rudy as nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media love him?)
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To: Antoninus

the answer is simple.

ITS HER BUSINESS AND HER PROBLEM.

if you want to comment on the topic as a generalization, fine. But once you drag in an actual person, and make them the "mark" of those comments - it turns alot of people off. Leave the debate abstract, gay marriage is failing all over the country. Start demonizing actual people, and the tide will turn.


25 posted on 12/06/2006 9:04:33 PM PST by oceanview
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To: freedomdefender

and whose business is it of theirs...


26 posted on 12/06/2006 9:05:58 PM PST by fhlh (Liberal (noun): A person so open minded, their brains have fallen out of their head.)
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To: freedomdefender

"Mary Cheney, 37, and her partner of 15 years, Heather Poe, 45, are expecting a baby in late spring, said Lea Anne McBride, a spokeswoman for the vice president."

So are they both pregnant? Or how is the other expecting?


27 posted on 12/06/2006 9:06:00 PM PST by CheyennePress
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To: Antoninus

On the other hand, if Cheney ran for president, maybe he'd get the gay votes!


28 posted on 12/06/2006 9:06:24 PM PST by blondee123
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To: Antoninus

you are the perfect example of how NOT to handle this story. the media runs with this story, because they know people like YOU will over-react to it, that's why they run it and try to damage the right with it.


29 posted on 12/06/2006 9:06:41 PM PST by oceanview
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Remember Alan Keyes and his daughters “hedonism?”
30 posted on 12/06/2006 9:07:02 PM PST by endthematrix ("If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons.")
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To: SmoothTalker
but more damage than Foley? Come on. Foley was an elected member of congress. This woman is not an elected anything.

Just watch. She's going to be all over everywhere for the next 9 months and beyond. The media is full of homo-promo activists who absolutely eat this stuff for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

Just another nail in the GOP's coffin, I'm afraid.
31 posted on 12/06/2006 9:07:28 PM PST by Antoninus (Rudy as nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media love him?)
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To: freedomdefender
Groups mixed on Mary Cheney's pregnancy

Uh... I don't think she was soliciting opinions.

32 posted on 12/06/2006 9:08:01 PM PST by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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"...who his Daddy was, anyway? Do they lie?"

Nah, they do the same that our Mom did, tell 'em it was the milkman...


33 posted on 12/06/2006 9:08:08 PM PST by dakine
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To: Antoninus

I don't personally know of anyone who really cares about this story.


34 posted on 12/06/2006 9:08:48 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: oldenuff2no

except the person you just replied to.


35 posted on 12/06/2006 9:09:23 PM PST by oceanview
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To: dakine
Other then that..this isn't a big deal...I put it in the "Who Cares" category....

Me too & I don't agree with the poster who said this story will be going around for months! Big deal! Worse things to worry about IMO.

36 posted on 12/06/2006 9:09:32 PM PST by blondee123
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To: NinoFan

The Bush Administration doesnt seem to have control of
anything in paticular that comes to mind except keeping our southern border wide open, and hiring a lawyer for the
Saudi Government Jim Baker.
After Nov 7 it has been wall to wall Gay this and gay that
now the politicans gay children crawl out from the nether-world.


37 posted on 12/06/2006 9:10:22 PM PST by claptrap (We've found a Witch can we burn her?)
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If I were Cheney, I'd resign for the good of the party.

You have got to be kidding me!

38 posted on 12/06/2006 9:10:25 PM PST by mplsconservative
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To: oceanview
you are the perfect example of how NOT to handle this story. the media runs with this story, because they know people like YOU will over-react to it, that's why they run it and try to damage the right with it.

The media's going to run with this story no matter what we do. If you don't think it's going to cost the GOP social conservative votes, you haven't been paying attention.

I'll say it again, if I were Cheney, I'd resign tomorrow for the good of the party. And so that the media can't use his family to further the homo agenda.
39 posted on 12/06/2006 9:10:43 PM PST by Antoninus (Rudy as nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media love him?)
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To: freedomdefender

My comment on this is that the adults are not thinking about the child, they are selfishly thinking about only their wants. A mother and father bring entirely different life knowledge and capabilities to a growing child. No woman could ever take the place of a father. Despite having a terrific Grandfather and Grandmother, this child will not have a father to teach him/her life's lesson.


40 posted on 12/06/2006 9:10:55 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: mplsconservative
You have got to be kidding me!

We'll see if your opinion changes after 6 months of coverage of this "story."
41 posted on 12/06/2006 9:11:42 PM PST by Antoninus (Rudy as nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media love him?)
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To: blondee123

we just lost both houses of congress, probably a chance at another decent SCOTUS pick, iraq is in bad shape, the left is on the advance everywhere - but Mary Cheney wanting a baby is more important.


42 posted on 12/06/2006 9:11:46 PM PST by oceanview
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To: claptrap

now the politicans gay children crawl out from the nether-world.






Colorado?


43 posted on 12/06/2006 9:11:59 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Antoninus

then maybe those social conservatives aren't worth catering to in the GOP, if in order to keep them, we have to demonize a woman who wants a baby, and drive her father from office as you are suggesting.


44 posted on 12/06/2006 9:13:29 PM PST by oceanview
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No? Not for willfully depriving her child of any knowledge of the man who sired him/her?

Is there any reason, other than that you just made it up, to believe that will happen?

45 posted on 12/06/2006 9:13:57 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: freedomdefender

"Grandfather Cheney will no doubt face a lifetime of sleepless nights as he reflects on the irreparable harm he and his administration have done to the millions of American gay and lesbian parents and their children."

...a lifetime of sleepless nights?

Standing for what is right, and resisting what is wrong usually results in a pretty good nights sleep.

For a group of people who cry out for tolerance, inclusion and acceptance - they certainly don't practice what they preach.


46 posted on 12/06/2006 9:13:58 PM PST by GraniteStateDad
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To: Antoninus
IMO, this story will end up doing more damage to the GOP than the Mark Foley scandal ever did.

So you think the lesbo daughter of the current VP having a baby will cause a significant number of GOP voters to stay at home in '08 (two full years from now)!? If you're right, and Cheney's daughter's decision has any affect whatsoever on the outcome of the next election, America is in sadder shape than even I ever imagined.

47 posted on 12/06/2006 9:14:20 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: oceanview
then maybe those social conservatives aren't worth catering to in the GOP, if in order to keep them, we have to demonize a woman who wants a baby, and drive her father from office as you are suggesting.

Try winning an election without them. But, then again, I suppose Socialist rule is fine by you.
48 posted on 12/06/2006 9:15:12 PM PST by Antoninus (Rudy as nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media love him?)
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To: Antoninus

they can't win any elections on their own, they can either be part of a coalition that wins, or they can win nothing.


49 posted on 12/06/2006 9:17:08 PM PST by oceanview
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To: ReignOfError
Is there any reason, other than that you just made it up, to believe that will happen?

So you're saying that the child will know his/her father? I'm not sure if that makes the situation better or worse, frankly. "Hey Mommie #1: Why doesn't Daddy live with us?"
50 posted on 12/06/2006 9:17:12 PM PST by Antoninus (Rudy as nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media love him?)
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