Skip to comments.Dinosaurs, humans coexist in U.S. creation museum
Posted on 01/14/2007 5:31:07 PM PST by Tim Long
PETERSBURG, Kentucky - Ken Ham's sprawling creation museum isn't even open yet, but an expansion is already underway in the state-of-the art lobby, where grunting dinosaurs and animatronic humans coexist in a Biblical paradise.
A crush of media attention and packed preview sessions have convinced Ham that nearly half a million people a year will come to Kentucky to see his Biblically correct version of history.
"I think we'll be surprised at how many people come," Ham said as he dodged dozens of designers working to finish exhibits in time for the May 28 opening.
The $27 million project, which also includes a planetarium, a special-effects theater, nature trails and a small lake, is privately funded by people who believe the Bible's first book, Genesis, is literally true.
For them, a museum showing Christian schoolchildren and skeptics alike how the earth, animals, dinosaurs and humans were created in a six-day period about 6,000 years ago -- not over millions of years, as evolutionary science says -- is long overdue.
While foreign media and science critics have mostly come to snigger at exhibits explaining how baby dinosaurs fit on Noah's Ark and Cain married his sister to people the earth, museum spokesman and vice-president Mark Looy said the coverage has done nothing but drum up more interest.
"Mocking publicity is free publicity," Looy said. Besides, U.S. media have been more respectful, mindful perhaps of a 2006 Gallup Poll showing almost half of Americans believe that humans did not evolve, but were created by God in their present form within the last 10,000 years.
Looy said supporters of the museum include evangelical Christians, Orthodox Jews and conservative Catholics, as well as the local Republican congressman, Geoff Davis (news, bio, voting record), and his family, who have toured the site.
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While the debate between creationists and mainstream scientists has bubbled up periodically in U.S. schools since before the Scopes "monkey trial" in nearby Tennessee 80 years ago, courts have repeatedly ruled that teaching religious theory in public schools is unconstitutional.
Ham, an Australian who moved to America 20 years ago, believes creationists could have presented a better case at the Scopes trail if they'd been better educated -- but he's not among those pushing for creation to be taught in school.
Rather than force skeptical teachers to debate creation, Ham wants kids to come to his museum, where impassioned experts can make their case that apparently ancient fossils and the Grand Canyon were created just a few thousand years ago in a great flood.
"It's not hitting them over the head with a Bible, it's just teaching that we can defend what it says," he said.
Ham, who also runs a Christian broadcasting and publishing venture, said the museum's Hollywood-quality exhibits set the project apart from the many quirky Creation museums sprinkled across America.
The museum's team of Christian designers include theme park art director Patrick Marsh, who designed the "Jaws" and "King Kong" attractions at Universal Studios in Florida, as well as dozens of young artists whose conviction drives their work.
"I think it shows (nonbelievers) the other side of things," said Carolyn Manto, 27, pausing in her work painting Ice Age figures for a display about caves in France.
"I don't think it's going to be forcing any viewpoint on them, but challenging them to think critically about their evolutionary views," said Manto, who studied classical sculpture before joining the museum.
Still, Looy is upfront about the museum's mission: to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with nonbelievers.
"I think a lot of people are going to come out of curiosity ... and we're going to present the Gospel. This is going to be an evangelistic center," Looy said. A chaplain has been hired for museum-goers in need of spiritual guidance.
The museum's rural location near the border of Kentucky, Ohio and Indiana places it well within America's mostly conservative and Christian heartland. But the setting has another strategic purpose: two-thirds of Americans are within a day's drive of the site, and Cincinnati's international airport is minutes away.
The project has not been without opposition. Zoning battles with environmentalists and groups opposed to the museum's message have delayed construction and the museum's opening day has been delayed repeatedly.
The museum has hired extra security and explosives-sniffing dogs to counter anonymous threats of damage to the building. "We've had some opposition," Looy said.
Believe whatever you want, however don't disdain learned people that study the world and the universe.
If it is so great, then turn off your PC, throw away all your medicine, disconnect the electricity, ditch the car, buy some horses and learn how to be a smithy. Oh, and grow your own food and buy clothing only made from 1800's materials. And stop learning about the outside world, it would only corrupt you.
no no- it doesn't go against our beliefs- infact- science just strengthens our belief-- you aren't going to state that creation science is junk now are you? Because they use the very same science that you call real science and come up with very real evidences based on scientific facts-
Stand some discovery? Where? Discovery? Like the couple of truckloads of fossil bones and fragments that supposedly rtepresent millions of species evolution despite the fact that NO transitional species were ever found? NONE? Nadda? Zip? Zilch? Feathered dinos? Nope- sorry- not even close to being feathers- BUT- your 'peer review' magazines touted them to be feathers- that is until they were looked into by those who didn't just take hteir word for it and used scientific fact to prove they weren't feathers. Eukoroytes being transitional species? Nope- Sure- it was taught in schools (probably still is) UNTIL it was exposed that Eukoryotes were nothign but a symbiotic species living off their host- but you wouldn't know that unless you dug deep into the facts- Heck- the National Geographic still ists crap like this as their evidence- and indoctrinate our kids with junk science like that even though most scientists have dropped it because the facts were exposed
Cambrian explosion- many many species all came on the scene all at once fully formed- no transitional species- clams then are the same clams today as well as all the other species.
Ready to hit some biology? It's a biological impossibility for species to evolve- there are built in protection levels that prevent it- in order for evolution to happen you also NEED to have gene transference- without it, you'll never ever have evolution- mutations do NOT produce the necessary NEW informatiuon needed for one species to become a different one-
well ya might wanna tell that to archeologists who set out to disprove the bible with archeology, but came away astounded by what they found and ended up beleiving then.
They, and you, are entitled to believe what you want. The only message I would send to Christians of the Bible-is-holy school is that the Bible itself is not necessary...the core message, not the flawed container, is what's important.
Well now, I went to Catholic school from K-12. We learned evolution in science class, we learned religion in religion class. We got an amazing education, in fact, college was a joke to me, 4 years of minimal work and a degree to boot.
Why do Catholics not believe in creationism? Probably because we embrace learning, logic, science and free thought, and we aren't so terrified that some actual data may destroy our faith.
But, if you want to believe in Noah's ark, go ahead, just don't teach your fables in public schools.
So Physics, Astrophysics, Astronomy, Geology, Chemistry, Biology all, every one of them is wrong?
hmmm- plenty of evidence of it:
there were tons of links- not sure what you googled- Catastrophic events cause instant and rapid petrifications and the formation of coal contrary to prevoius beliefs that it took millions of years to form coal.
Creation "Science" IS junk.
Show me some data, some proof, some published and peer reviewed papers. Its a faith based belief, and that is just fine, provided you keep it in your church, and don't try to pawn it off as actual science or teach kids in public school your dogmatic fables.
You post all kinds of invective, but offer no proof.
Wanna prove Noah's Ark?
why not? They teach the fable of evolution in schools- and besides- IF you cared to look into the matter further- you WOULD see there is plenty of evidences that support design and creation and discount and expose the fables they teach us in schools regarding evolution and origen.
bull it's junk- That's a biased and ignorant stance Central- (not insinuation you're ignorant- just not informed on this subject)
Wanna prove evolution? Didn't think so- and don't feel bad- a few hundred secualr scientists back in the 70's and 80's who met in Cleveland didn't either- they concluded evolution was NOT a viable explanation due to lack of evidence to support the theory- Yet- these dogmatic fables are STILL taugh in our schools- perhaps we should be stating "Don't teach those fables in our schools- huh?"
My wife would love to live that way. She hates the PC.
The raise my own food thing? I already do some, want to increase it though.
And I'm working on the clothing thing, one step at a time. Right now I'm just trying to get back to buying clothes made in the USA.
Again, I don't knock real science......
Why do you call evolution a fable? There are millions and millions of studies on thousands and thousands of species. Real studies, real data, real science.
Creationism still equals "God said it, I believe it, that settles it"
Creationism has NO place in rational thought, it exists only in the most radical evangelical circles. But, take heart 50 years ago, snake handling was the big thing in evangelical cericles.
Show me some proof! Show me the proof that disproves evolution. Show me the quality scientists publishing the papers doing so!
You can't, because Creationism is a dogmatic belief, and the fact that, in 2007, you want it foisted on children is represhensible.
You are a eukaryote, along with every other example of multicellular life. Also, I'm not sure how symbiosis between protoeukaryotes and the bacteria that were eventually to become mitochondria disqualifies "transitional species." There are no extant species that are in any way similar to protoeukaryotes and the endosymbiosed aerobic bacteria. And it is extremely unlikely that any of these would have been fossilized.
Not an ignorant stance, its based on real science, sorry you missed it while you were at church.
Guess what? All the high courts have rejected creationist BS in the schools, so who the hell cares about some isolated cases in the 70's and 80's?
(Show me some proof, not just your babbling)
Teacher, who designed the designer?????
I am a Catholic that was raised and taught by intelligent and scientifically savvy priests. Show me where the Catholic church teaches the creationist nonsense.
Noah's ark was taught as a story, a fable, designed to teach the ignorant masses of the day.
As for the Kerry and Kennedy blarm, give it a rest. I know several Catholic priests that know science, teach evolution and are not so weak in faith that they allow their dogma to refuse science.
Who created God?
God, as a theological concept does not need a creator. One believes in Him based on faith. So called Scientific theories about an "intelligent designer" require a scientific, verifiable, falsifiable proof.
there's plenty of scientific papers showing the facts of creation theory. You can go ahead and believe your darkside that tells you it's not a theory but it's just making you look foolish. There are plenty of reputable scientists that do good scientific research into creationism and you are aware of that. You're just trying to frame the debate excluding a theory that doesn't aggree with your belief. A theory doesn't neccessarily prove itself but leads one in the direction of the truth. So I don't understand your request to have proof? Although the amazing dna code really is proof of an author.
The great thing about Catholicism is its depth...the long, long history of involvement with Christianity. As I said in a couple of other messages, I believe the core message of Christianity is valid, but the physical manifestations of faith are not holy, viz: the Bible, images, etc. Those things are very worthwhile...just not holy. That said, I am a big fan of EWTN, the Catholic television network and Mother Angelica.
yup soft bodies species can'rt usually be fossilized- hover the millions of supposedly evolving har bodied species could- even Darwin himself said his theory was wrong due to lack of transitional species- AND we've since learned- as I said previously- it is biologically impossible- there HAS to be gene transference in order for the necessary NEW information needed for evolution to happen to change a species outside of it's own kind.
No sorry- I aint no eukoroyte- The gene information that I have is unique to my species- not to eukoroyte species.
Symbiosis is not evolution- it is a parasite existing entirely off another- they are both unique species- they do not together become an entirely different species.
Trust me- I've looked into this- it's too late tonight- but it has been proven to be false in regards to evolution and has been dropped by science when it was exposed as symbiotic- they tried to pass it off as evolution- but the facts did not support that at all, and htey had to admit that- you won't find much on this however, when it was pressed- the truth was begrudgingly admitted and pretty much not reported on much- but the reports are out there
Dude, turn off the Flintstones and read a book.
isolated incidents huh? Not liekly- it was a MAJOR meeting of leading secular scientists- but poo poo it if you like- While you're at it- poo poo darwin as well because he ALSO came to the same conclusion that evolution had no legs to stand on and that it couldn't even evolve any to stand on.
Nice, show me them. Show me where they were accepted by real science.
You have posted all over this thread, but have offered nothing other than your BS.
No darkside, just reason and logic that seems to fly in the face of your dogma and fables.
lol thqt's rich comming from mr "That's bull- I refuse to beleive it"
Why not? Its nice to frame your arguments around dogma, that way you can't ask questions. What created God? If nothing did, than why should I believe that there is a God that created everything, especially in a simplistic way that flies in the face of the fossil record, carbon dating, and evolutionary science?
Nice words, but you offer no proof, no science no peer reviewed data, etc.
Just dogmatic belief.
Which is fine, if you want to have faith in something, go ahead. Just don't enforce your faith based dogmatic pseudoscience on innocent kids in public school under the rubric of science.
40% of the human genome encodes things called retroelements, which are pretty much all essentially dead viruses that have inserted themselves into our genome. <5% of the human genome encodes the proteins/miRNAs/snRNAs/etc. that form us as organisms. If the human genome, at least, is proof of an author, it's proof of an author that likes parasites a lot more than it likes us.
It was a MAJOR meeting of scientists!!!!!!
Show me the names, and the resumes of the people, as well as the dates and where the "scientists" are now.
Second hand tales of something you believe to be important hold no weight with me.
And, what about the courts? You neglected that. Dover, lost by creationists, the case of the stickers in books, lost by creationists, etc.
Face it, creationism is a christian belief, which is fine in a christian school teaching christianity, but its not OK in a public school.
Really? Wish to share the proof behid that? Darwin came to the conclusion that evolution was wrong? Pray tell, I want to know about that, please teach us all about that.
The idea proposed initially by Lynn Margulis of how eukaryotes came to exist was that a large anaerobic bacterium engulfed a smaller aerobic bacterium. The aerobic bacterium was capable of converting the energy in reduced carbon compounds to ATP at a much higher rate than anaerobic bacterium. So the larger bacterium got the benefit of much more energy for each molecule (sugar, typically) that it "ate." The smaller bacterium got the benefit of protection from predators. This was a mutually beneficial relationship and not parasitism.
And I don't think that endosymbiosis (mitochondrion/chloroplasts/protonuclei) leads to necessarily a separate species initially, but only because it is incredibly hard to define "species" in the absence of sexual reproduction. Essentially, each separate bacterium (and there are something like 5x10^30 bacteria in the world) forms its own "species," as there is reproductive isolation between each bacterium.
Also, maybe you would like to define "eukaryote", because I am not entirely sure why you think that you are not a eukaryote.
You mean the Cincinnatti airport that is in KY?
LOL I used to live in No. Ky.
Why couldn't it all have been created in ten seconds?
Yeah, that one...:-)
As it should be
Especially the fantasy that we evolved from a single cell and that we are related to oak trees.
While foreign media and science critics have mostly come to snigger at exhibits explaining how baby dinosaurs fit on Noah's ArkBaby dinos in Noah's Ark? Pardon me while I snigger.
"I don't think it's going to be forcing any viewpoint on them, but challenging them to think critically about their evolutionary views," said Manto, who studied classical sculpture...I guess it was during her studies of classical sculpture that she learned to think critically about evolution.
-actually the facts I just posted about the amazing dna code very much supports creation theory. --
You posted no facts. DNA supports evolution.
Looy is upfront about the museum's mission: to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with nonbelievers.Question for those who actually know something about the Gospel of Jesus Christ (a group which, I suspect, does not include Looy):
Did Jesus Christ personally preach anything specific about the age of the earth? If You claim He did, please cite chapter and verse. And don't embarrass Yourself by citing vague generalities. If He really didn't mention the subject (which I suspect is the case, although I admit I don't know), please be Man or Woman enough to admit it.
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