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Yes, Rudy Giuliani Is a Conservative
City Journal ^ | Jan.25, '07 | Steven Malanga

Posted on 01/30/2007 4:43:23 PM PST by T.L.Sink

Personally, I prefer Tancredo although I admire "America's Mayor," and this article sheds some light on Rudy's little known conservative and courageous accomplishments.


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To: MittFan08
Hillary Clinton is precisely what you will get if you don't compromise

Hillary Clinton Lite is precisely what you will get if you elect Rudy Giuliani!

So instead of running off the cliff, we walk.

No thanks.

41 posted on 01/30/2007 5:08:30 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: PatrickF4
That's your choice, obviously.

I'm an Anyone But HRC voter myself.

42 posted on 01/30/2007 5:08:52 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Republican, Bostonian, Bush supporter, atheist, pro-lifer)
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To: airborne

and your point IS?


43 posted on 01/30/2007 5:09:05 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: T.L.Sink

Rudy's an authoritarian like so many RINO's.


44 posted on 01/30/2007 5:09:10 PM PST by dljordan
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"(1) Gun control was already NYC policy; Rudy cracked down on the felons illegally owning guns. If you think he's going to suddenly ban guns as President you are simply crazy"

No, I'm not crazy, I've just been burned before. Remember 10 rd magazines? Rudi thought that was a prudent idea. He has no bona fides regarding the 2nd amendment and until he clearly states a position aligned with the Bill of Rights, he is suspect at best.

45 posted on 01/30/2007 5:09:16 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Darkwolf377
I agree. Bob Dole is a classic example of a perfect conservative with no curb appeal. Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Chuck Hagel, et all are in the same boat. McCain is a contender but has his flaws and lack of crossover appeal.

Rudy has East Coast appeal, he can kill the hidabeast in her own backyard. He has a very positive image from his handling of 9/11. He took on crime in NYC and won. He takes a very hard stand against terrorism.

The hard nosed purists that only test their candidates by the abortion issue can enable the hildabeast by opposing a candidate that can beat "it" purely on a one dimensional issue.

46 posted on 01/30/2007 5:09:32 PM PST by pfflier
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To: MittFan08

Why do the conservatives have to be the ones who must compromise? Why can't the RINOs compromise?


47 posted on 01/30/2007 5:09:38 PM PST by TommyDale (If we don't put a stop to this global warming, we will all be dead in 10,000 years!)
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To: T.L.Sink
this article sheds some light on Rudy's little known conservative and courageous accomplishments.

That's like an article that sheds some light on Bill Clinton's little known acts of honesty and fidelity.

There's a reason that they're "little known."

48 posted on 01/30/2007 5:10:11 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: TommyDale

AMEN

Rudy will not get my vote....in fact I may not vote at all for president....if the choice is Hillary or Rudy.

The same goes for McCain.....


49 posted on 01/30/2007 5:11:54 PM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: ErnBatavia
"...you're still going to have to vote for him if he ends up the nominee."

No we aren't. Run that liberal RINO and lose the Presidency. You can't blame conservatives for sticking to their principles just because you have none.

50 posted on 01/30/2007 5:12:06 PM PST by TommyDale (If we don't put a stop to this global warming, we will all be dead in 10,000 years!)
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To: PatrickF4

Same here.

I won't vote for him and no amount of Rudybeggars will convince me to.


51 posted on 01/30/2007 5:12:12 PM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: pfflier
He took on crime in NYC and won. He takes a very hard stand against terrorism.

And hate crime laws. He absolutely loves hate crime laws.

52 posted on 01/30/2007 5:12:57 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: azhenfud
What is a conservative, these days?

See the link on post # 33.

53 posted on 01/30/2007 5:14:22 PM PST by airborne (Elect an Airborne Ranger,Vietnam Veteran for President ! Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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To: pfflier
Yes. I'm (obviously) a pro-life voter, but if the abortion issue were not around, we would have a very different political landscape. That one issue warps the entire political field.

Take away abortion, and debate the candidates' stands on taxes, defense, illegal immigration, etc. Take away the religious angle, and debate the issues, and I wonder who the religious conservatives would vote for, if they could leave the religious aspect out.

54 posted on 01/30/2007 5:14:43 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Republican, Bostonian, Bush supporter, atheist, pro-lifer)
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To: airborne

I've been looking.


55 posted on 01/30/2007 5:15:15 PM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: pfflier
The hard nosed purists that only test their candidates by the abortion issue ...

I will vote my conscious. God will put who He wants in office. I just pray it isn't someone this country deserves.

56 posted on 01/30/2007 5:15:29 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: T.L.Sink
The Real Rudy Giuliani:

From Human Events:

Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance

As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:

"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999

It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?

Rudy's abortion stance is bad news for conservatives who are pro-life or who are concerned about getting originalist judges on the Supreme Court.

An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate

In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.

Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.

Do Republicans really want to abandon their strong 2nd Amendment stance by selecting a pro-gun control nominee?

57 posted on 01/30/2007 5:15:40 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: pfflier
As a hard nosed purist, I don't consider advancing the abortion and homosexual agenda with a candidate like Rudy Giuliani to be the right thing to do. You would have us sell our core principles just to defeat Hillary Clinton? That's absurd.
58 posted on 01/30/2007 5:17:09 PM PST by PatrickF4 (Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought. - JP II)
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To: CindyDawg

Wow. Well said!


59 posted on 01/30/2007 5:17:10 PM PST by TommyDale (If we don't put a stop to this global warming, we will all be dead in 10,000 years!)
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To: T.L.Sink
Forget it. If Rudy is the candidate he gets no vote from me. The difference between him an Hillary is that Hillary is honest about wanting to steal my weapons.

Rudy lies and says he won't. He LIES.

60 posted on 01/30/2007 5:17:15 PM PST by LibKill (ENOUGH! Take the warning labels off everything and let Saint Darwin do his job.)
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