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To: Swordmaker
These facts were well known...

You are misusing the word "facts". The type of radar used for ATC is optimized for range. It has a relatively slow sweep, a long pulse width, and relatively low frequency. There is simply no way that such a radar could provide anything more than the spot location of the aircraft. It is not designed to give precise information, nor is it capable of it. The ATC relies on a working transponder to get detailed information.

The damage is not consistent with a MANPAD system and the altitude makes a lock-on by a MANPAD seeker and a subsequent rainbow fly out highly improbable. So what kind of missile was it? Why was a rather large weapon system transported thousands of miles to shoot down a single passenger plane that could have been brought down anywhere? Of what good is a terrorist action if the terrorists don't claim responsibility and explain how they can do it again? What is the government's incentive to attempt to keep hundreds of people quiet (like that's ever worked)?

I'm sorry, I just don't think the missile idea has much behind it. Just as people win the lottery, one in 100 million statistical events do happen.

TWA-800 almost certainly blew up from a spark in the fuel tank, a misidentified bomb close to the fuel tank, or it suffered an even rarer fate such as a meteor strike.

But I'm willing to listen to plausible conjecture on a missile, as long as its plausible.

For example, why would a foreign power donate a multimillion dollar missile system, which would point all fingers back at them, to shoot down a inconsequential target? This is a classic everything to lose, nothing to gain situation. If they wanted to help terrorists, they could simply give them MANPADS and tell them to go anywhere within hundreds of square miles where the airliners would be at a much lower altitude.

88 posted on 05/05/2007 5:29:34 AM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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To: SampleMan

A lot of the original investigation was done by process of elimination. I think the NTSB did a great job on this as far as tying a chain of events together. One little break in that chain and we would still have airplanes flying with frayed wires. Had it come down over mid ocean, we would have never known what happened.


89 posted on 05/05/2007 6:29:50 AM PDT by U S Army EOD
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To: SampleMan; Tinian
You are misusing the word "facts". The type of radar used for ATC is optimized for range. It has a relatively slow sweep, a long pulse width, and relatively low frequency. There is simply no way that such a radar could provide anything more than the spot location of the aircraft. It is not designed to give precise information, nor is it capable of it. The ATC relies on a working transponder to get detailed information.

ATC radar was not the only radar active in the area. The data in the time line were provided by the Islip Primary ASR-8 Surveillance Radar that does not require a transponder response. Without a transponder, the radar provided distance and vector but not altitude. It is also a fact that there were at least two radars sweeping the area and the exact location of the aircraft was known every 4.65 seconds as the Islip radar swept the area and a passive echo was returned. TWA800's transponder was not working after the initiating event. Speed of the aircraft was calculated based on the known distance between sweeps and the time it took the aircraft to move from point A to B... Speed=Distance/Time.

Of what good is a terrorist action if the terrorists don't claim responsibility and explain how they can do it again?

They did... our press either didn't report it... or, taking the lead from the administration's attitude, deliberately discounted any claims:

"In the absence of explanations, theories abounded. One focused on a fax sent Wednesday to an Arabic language newspaper in Beirut warning of an attack. State Department and CIA officials confirmed they had received copies of the fax Thursday. The message said "tomorrow morning we will strike the Americans in a way they do not expect and it will be very surprising to them," according to one official. A counterterrorism source familiar with the fax said that it was sent at 11 a.m. New York time Wednesday, more than nine hours before the bombing. But a CIA source said that the agency "does not attach too much significance" to the fax.

"The fax, written in Arabic, ends with the following threat: "The Mujahadeen will respond harshly to the threats of the stupid American president. All will be shocked by the magnitude of the response. The determining of the place and time are in the hands of the Mujahadeen. The invaders must get ready to leave alive or dead; and their rendezvous will be morning, and isn't morning near." U.S. News and World Report magazine, in the July 29, 1996 issue, identified the group who sent the fax as, "The Movement of Islamic Jihad/The Jihad Wing of the Arabian Peninsula." [Editors Note: 8pm Eastern Time in New York is early morning in the Persian Gulf.]"
Newsday.com, July 19, 1996

. . . Senior Iranian sources close to the fundamentalist regime in Tehran claimed this weekend that TWA flight 800 was shot down last month by one of three shoulder-fired Stingers of the type used by Islamic guerrillas during the Afghanistan war. The sources said the missiles arrived in America seven months ago after being shipped from Karachi via Rotterdam and on to the Canadian port of Halifax. They claimed an Egyptian fundamentalist group backed by Iran was responsible for smuggling the weapons across the Canadian border into the United States. The group, the Gama'a al-Islamiya, comprises followers of Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, a blind Egyptian cleric jailed in the United States over the 1993 New York World Trade Center bombing."
The Times of London, August 27, 1996

" . . . at least one terrorist has claimed credit for the TWA 800 bombing. World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Ahmed Yousef told authorities his group is responsible. Yousef's claim has not been made public, but it is in the FBI file."
The American Spectator, Sept. 1997

If you can read Arabic, here is the Al Hayat article threatening the attack.

96 posted on 05/05/2007 3:42:24 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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