The Papacy and Islam

Bearean Beacon ^ | Richard Bennett and Robert J. Nicholson

[kawaii]

the protestants in germany came up with the term to apply to themselves btw.

[kawaii]

hardly.

the protestant God did not found on church, fullfill the old testament, and didn’t send the Holy Spirit to guide his church, instead a bunch of iliterate west europeons were needed to save the church, and arrived vry late to the party at that.

[kawaii]

angry iliterate west europeons of the 14th century perhaps?

[kawaii]

in as much as Jesus IS God yeah.

[markomalley]

You all should be ashamed of yourselves falling into the anti-Christian, anti-scriptural flamebaiting tactic so typically used by this group, particularly Gamecock.

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves."

Read your catechism and you will realize that there is NOTHING to apologize for or anything else.

This comes from the section The Church and non-Christians. The section talks about the Church's relationship with Jews, then its relationship with Muslims, and then it's relationship with other non-Christian religions. Following this, it talks about the truth of the statement, "Outside the Church There is No Salvation" (see my tagline). It sums up saying the following:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation. (emphasis mine)

and then:

"Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."(emphasis mine)

Why are you apologizing for God's Divine Mercy???

The best solution is to let these ravenous wolves prowl and not give them the meat that they seek.

[Uncle Chip]

RCC dogma on Islam changed Nonetheless, after six centuries of condemning of Islam and two centuries of Crusades against the Muslims, modern Roman Catholicism is welcoming and affirming the religion of Mohammed. Rome now accepts Islam as having the same faith of Abraham as herself. How can the Roman Catholic Church espouse a religion that utterly rejects the Trinity, the divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ and His Gospel? Clearly, the Roman Catholic Church still plays the adaptable chameleonfor since Vatican Council II, she has in Muslim circles embraced Islam to the extent that she calls praiseworthy that which she once had denounced as evil and the object of war.

And I thought Rome never changed ---- so much for Tradition.

[Iscool]

Dangus, you are wasting your time. He’s not worth it.

Wasting his time at what??? Converting me to your religion??? You'd be right about that...That would be an impossibility...

I'll stick with bible Christianity and the God of the Bible...You can have the God of the Koran...

[Flo Nightengale]

protstants worship a God who lies. we don’t...they worship a God who never sent the Holy Spirit.

I'm speechless, and my husband says that's not possible.

angry iliterate west europeons of the 14th century perhaps?

I'm not usually the snarky type, but if you're going to refer to some of my ancestral and spiritual forebears as "iliterate" "europeons", perhaps you should learn to spell the insults correctly?

By the way, the word protestant was first used at the Diet of Speyer in 1529. The various princes and others called their statement a "protestatio" - that is, a solemn declaration, not "a statement recording disapproval".

[Pyro7480]

What are you talking about!!??

[trisham]

Amen, mark.

[trisham]

Take it easy, friend. I may be wrong, but I doubt anyone is convinced of the charge.

[redgolum]

Interesting point.

The West talks about God a lot differently than the East. As a Lutheran, while we think of some things more like the East, most of our theology follows more the West (which makes sense). I had never really thought of it till reading Pelakin’s books.

[Uncle Chip]

"What about the RC Cathecism? It seems to be all kissy with Mecca." [Gamecock]

What are you talking about!!??

Perhaps he's referring to that picture of the Pope kissing the Koran --- but that picture never made it into the Catechism unfortunately, atleast the Catechism that has been circulated in the non-Muslim world, that is.

[marshmallow]

If I was to say "all cats have four legs and all dogs have four legs", Bennett would likely reply "Ahaaaa! So you are saying all dogs are cats!!!", at least if he's consistent with the MO he's used in this piece.

Tragic.

A tour de force of complete misinterpretation of Scripture and Catholic teaching.

Thanks for posting.

[marshmallow]

Oh and by the way, the Catholic Church is the only religious body of any significant gravitas which is confronting Islam. Kindly mail Bennett a copy of the Holy Father's Regensburg address, along with a commentary so he can actually understand it.

Ping us when any Protestant leader says anything of any import in this debate. Maybe they have and nobody noticed.

[StAthanasiustheGreat]

If I were to put together a top 10 stupidest things said on FreeRepublic, you would have at least 70% of them. Congratulations on that.

[GoLightly]

in as much as Jesus IS God yeah.

Protestants believe in the Trinity, Father, Son & Holy Spirit. We believe in Christ's divinity. What other Jesus is there, that we worship another one from the one you do? I can think of only one possibility & he is not Jesus Christ.

Considering what you've been taught about us, I finally understand why you seem to despise us.

[Pyro7480]

I don’t know whether to laugh in humor or laugh at the conspiracy theories. :-Þ

[Alex Murphy]

dangus: The authors lied. They didn’t merely come to contentious conclusions, they outlied lied. Yet knowing this, you defended them as if they were telling the truth.

mockingbyrd: Seems pretty disingenuous to me.....or a deliberate misrepresentation of the quote. The context is completely misrepresented. If the author is writing in truth, why such deception?

The exact quote - verbatim - appears at this link on Zenit. Note that the phrase isn't found in the article; instead, it's found at the top of the page, under the "ASIAN SYNOD day by day" banner, in Zenit's summary of articles for the day. I'll reproduce the summary here, since no one seems to have gone to the source itself, despite my providing a direct link back in post #9.

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May 13, 1998

ASIAN SYNOD
John Paul II Will Visit Asia to Sign Synod Document
The Trip Should Take Place in the Latter Half of Next Year

A First Answer in the Debate Over Inculturalization
Lebanese Bishop Béchara Rai, a participant in the assembly, speaks

FEATURE
Islam Co-opting Fatima
Iranian TV: Our Lady of Fatima is Really Fatima, Daughter of the Prophet Mohammed

SPECIAL REPORT
Asia: A Persecuted Church
Bangladesh, Pakistan, China, Vietnam... Where Being a Christian Can Cost You Your Life

[SQUID]

Complete waste of time talking at Kerplakistan.

What Rome needs to do and what the East needs to do is unite the churches.