Posted on 05/26/2007 1:49:34 PM PDT by Eurotwit
For starters, the post-primary support of Dubya came from not wanting Algore as POTUS. It was not a flip-flop, but the support for the last man standing close to conservatism in the final contest.
So here we are again in the primary season without an incumbent, and there is going to be a scrap over who gets the nod, and all their stances on all of the issues will be examined.
Many may be called, but most will be found wanting. Such is the nature of politics.
It is especially assured this will occur since the one really big weak spot in the current President's platform has been the issue of illegal immigration, one which we are seeing come to the fore.
Policy problems seen now in the campaign will surface later as law, so we had best better get what we want now (or at least as much as we can) in terms of a candidate.
Again we attempt to choose the seminal issues, and having defined them, many of us found Mr Giuliani's track record and previous stances unacceptable, despite eleventh hour pandering to all those 'billybobs' in flyover country (who are not as dumb as some prominent New Yorkers seem to think).
SO many Rudy supporters hit this site, saturating it with shrill proclamations of President Rudy, as if it was a 'done deal', and often shrilly shouted down attempts to point out Rudy's (very liberal by most standards) track record. How great the wailing and gnashing of teeth over 'Rudy bashing', (I can only imagine the garments rent in travail).
Funny, because the more I find out about Rudy, the less I think he is the man for the job.
Nor do I believe the oft repeated mantra that he is "the only one who can beat Hillary" (perhaps because he can steal liberals' votes from her).
As for 'no holds barred internet', those are not quite the rules here, this isn't DU, there are limits, and when posters get cybernetically 'in the site owners face' and demand to be zotted, I, for one cannot help but understand his willingness to comply with their demands.
All the snyde remarks are not missed, remaining supporters of Mr. Giuliani have been reasonably civil in comparison to the shrill who have found their own place on the web to sit around and convince each other of Mr. Giuliani's suitability.
While they are holding their vigil, waiting for the beattification of St. Rudy of Ground Zero, the rest of us are not, but instead are taking a wider view.
There are others more worthy, imho, and it is nice to be able to discuss them civilly without the intractable static.
As a transplanted Westerner I discovered food that is not meat and is not covered with red gravy, Italian for sauce.
Makes perfect sense that a conservative site would want to eliminate liberal debate "tactics". There is a preference for facts and logic over hysteria and attacks - no surprise.
I'm glad a line was drawn. I've been absolutely laser beamed by this kind of stuff for years when discussing another topic - it just kept getting worser and worser. Now it ain't so bad - can actually discuss. Thanks JR.
Okay. I do vaguely remember that. I’m betting that is a bet you were darn happy to lose. :-)
My taste buds are pretty eclectic. :-)
No, Michigan, the northern suburbs of Detroit.
Has anyone compiled the nasty, vile things posted to Jim that got the Rudybots banned?
Yes, those poor picked on Rudy supporters. Every time I posted anything to them about Duncan Hunter or just disagreeing with them about Rudy, all I got from them was grief. They are much like liberals as they believe they are right and will not tolerate dissenting opinions.
Personally, I like the absence of vitriol.
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Giuliani is not now, nor ever has been, A CONSERVATIVE!
And continuously lying about history and Reagan, just to make Rudy look better
(despite being proved wrong, over and over and over).
I agree with you but there is more about McCain than liberalism that got my ire up. He's just out there -in left field by himself - like Edwards kind of out there. And I don't believe he has America's best interests at heart.
Newt, though I like Newt and agree with most of his beliefs, is no match for Thompson or Hunter
Free Republic MENTIONED????This piece was ALL ABOUT Free Republic. And has anyone actually been banned for Pro-Giuliani propaganda, or just argued into the ground?
This piece was good, and unless the reporter got his facts wrong, it only serves as good “PR for FR” at least as far as its a site that will draw people AWAY from Giuliani. I am against Rudy for other reasons, which I find reprehensible: I just think he jumped too quickly into the whole new heady realm of security profiteering that his contact with 9-11 brought to him. I find it TOTALLY unseemly, and it undermines some other good moves he made, like giving the big check back to the Saudi “Prince”.
Me too. I see a real difference around the site.
Although, I've seen a bit of it coming from SOME of the Romney supporters, as I've opposed him in the same way I opposed Giuliani.
But even that is not the same. MOST of the Romney supporters are pretty civil, actually, most of the time. [Even if they are backing a lib ;-)]
I don’t know that this has really been whittled down to an exclusive club, but I know I’m more comfortable posting now that the most rabid liberals are gone. Thank you for maintaining standards.
The NY Observer is another Fish wrapper in the MSM.
” Personally, I like the absence of vitriol.”
Hmmm. The crevo threads haven’t changed much, tho. ;)
I’m on here every day but somehow managed to miss all the hubbub. Must not have been that earth shattering after all. I admit, I once leaned toward Rudy... oops wait a second, yep, I’m still here. Sorry, Rudy, but you’ve gone so far out on a limb that I’m rooting for Thompson to throw his hat in the ring.
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