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Was Nathan Bedford Forrest the Best Confederate Cavalry Leader in the West?
Military History Online ^ | 12/09/2007 | Laurence Freiheit

Posted on 12/09/2007 8:55:00 PM PST by indcons

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To: indcons

Forrest must have had a presence about him that was terrifying. I’m paraphrasing something I read years ago.

It was after the war was over and Forrest was traveling by train in a northern border state. Some local yokels heard that he was on the train and, when the train stopped at their town, went aboard the train looking for him - to call him out for some fisticuffs. When Forrest got word of it he went looking for them. “You looking for me,” he said. Forrest didn’t even fight them, they took one look at him, sized him up, and fled.


21 posted on 12/09/2007 11:17:04 PM PST by sasportas
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To: LaMudBug
Making broad general statements can make a person look like a dim bulb...

As do long quotations that don't begin to prove one's point. :)

22 posted on 12/09/2007 11:47:22 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: indcons
He was a great leader, but widely misunderstood. There's a state park in TN named after him, with nice cabins and even a little souvenir shop (I got a t-shirt there with his image on it).

The park was named for General Nathan Bedford Forrest, the intrepid Confederate cavalry leader, who on November 4, 1864, attacked and destroyed the federal supply and munitions depot at (Old) Johnsonville at the mouth of Trace Creek. His operations were concentrated along the river in the vicinity of the park and the town of Eva.

In 1929 the park was dedicated to Nathan Bedford Forrest on land acquired in part from Benton County. Forrest was one of the greatest military tacticians and leaders of the American Civil War

http://www.tennessee.gov/environment/parks/NBForrest/

23 posted on 12/10/2007 12:12:47 AM PST by zipper
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To: indcons

He was the only Civil War general that was widely studied in Europe and was recognized as the only original genius produced by the war. The Russians also extensively studied the campaigns of the Union cavalry into the deep South.


24 posted on 12/10/2007 12:48:07 AM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: stainlessbanner
One of my ancestors served under both Forrest Wheeler as a lieutenant in the 2nd Georgia Cavalry.

If you want to read an interesting history of a Confederate cavalry regiment, try The Cracker Cavaliers by John Randolph Poole. It is really top notch.


25 posted on 12/10/2007 1:04:09 AM PST by Stonewall Jackson (The Hunt for FRed November. 11/04/08)
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To: Mike Darancette

“Get there first-est with the most-est”


26 posted on 12/10/2007 1:13:05 AM PST by tupac (The Crux of the Biscuit - is the Apostrophe....)
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To: indcons

Probably, but JO Shelby didn’t suck.

“The Burial of Shelby’s Flag”

A July sun, in torrid clime, gleamed on exile band, who in suits of gray

Stood in mute array on the banks of the Rio Grande

They were dusty and faint with their long, drear ride, and they paused when they

came to the river side;

For its wavelets divide

With their glowing tide

Their own dear land of youth, hope, pride And comrades graves, who in vain had

died, from the stranger’s home, in a land untried.

Above them waved the Confederate Flag, with its fatal cross of stars,

That had always been

In the battle’s din

Like a pennon of potent Mars.

And there curved from the crest of their leader a plume

That the brave had followed in joy and gloom that was ever in sight

In the hottest fight

A flaunting dare for a soldier’s tomb, for the marksman’s aim and the cannons boom,

But it bore a charm from the band of doom.

Forth stepped that leader then and said to the faithful few around:

“This tattered rag

Is the only flag

That floats on Dixie ground;

And this plume that I tear from the hat I wear

Of all my spoils is my only share; and brave men! I swear

That no foe shall dare

To lay his hand on our standard there. It’s folds were braided by fingers fair, “Tis

The emblem now of their deep despair.

Its cause is lost. And the men it led on many a glorious field in disputing tread

Of invaders dread, Have been forced at last to yield

But this banner and plume have not been to blame, No exulting eye shall behold

Their shame;

And-——these relics so dear

In the waters here,

Before we cross, shall burial claim;

And while you mountains may bear name

They shall stand as monuments of our fame.

Tears stood in eyes that looked on death in every awful form Without dismay;

But the scene that day was sublimer than mountain storm!

“Tis easy to touch the veteran’s heart

With finger of nature, but not of art, While the noble of soul

Lose self control, When called on with flag, home and country to part, Base bosoms are ever to callous to start

With feelings that generous natures can smart.

They buried then that flag and plume in the

river’s rushing tide, Ere that fallen few

Of the tried and true had been scattered far and wide.

And that group of Missouri’s valiant throng, who had fought for the weak against the strong- Who had charged and bled where Shelby led- Were the last who held above the wave.

The glorious flag of the vanquished brave, No more to rise from its watery grave!”

By Brevet Colonel Alonzo W. Slayback, Missouri State Militia, on the Rio Grande, July 4, 1865


27 posted on 12/10/2007 3:14:38 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com)
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To: indcons

Thanks for a great article. Forrest has always been my favorite Confederate. I also have found it interesting that he is credited with founding the Ku Klux Klan.
Cheers.


28 posted on 12/10/2007 3:43:26 AM PST by Bahama Mama (FReeper in Paradise)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Later read


29 posted on 12/10/2007 3:59:17 AM PST by JDoutrider
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To: CurlyBill

“Agree... and this is coming from the descendant of a Confederate Cavalry Private.”

Who was he with? I had two Great-Grandfathers with the 10th Tennessee Cavalry which I believe was formed from the remains of Napier’s Regiment and another. They were under Forrest.


30 posted on 12/10/2007 4:14:20 AM PST by dljordan
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To: Brad from Tennessee
...In the 1930's, German Army Colonel Irwin Rommel traveled to Shiloh and other military parks in the region in the course of studying Forrest's practice of mobile warfare....

That's interesting. I never knew that. I'd like to read more about that, do you have any links or book sources I could look at? Thanks.

31 posted on 12/10/2007 4:26:48 AM PST by FReepaholic (This tagline could indicate global warming.)
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To: stainlessbanner; indcons; ModelBreaker

...thanks guys...this was a good article....sadly, I think Forrest’s legacy will slowly be destroyed....it will be done by Southern politicians/leaders who pander to the black vote...they are slowly undermining our Confederate heritage.... I’ll give you an example:

.....one of my g.grandfathers spent 4 years in the saddle as 1st Sgt of G company, 6th Texas Cavalry....Sullivan Ross commanded 6th Texas...Ross was an excellent commander and a fine man....after the war he went on to be Governor of Texas and after that president of Texas A&M....it was under Ross’ leadership that the university grew into the modern institution it is now....today it is a campus rule there that any student displaying a Condederate flag or Nazi flag will be expelled....they hold the Confederate South equal to the Nazis!...what an insult.


32 posted on 12/10/2007 4:39:09 AM PST by STONEWALLS
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To: indcons
Nathan Bedford Forest is considered by many the greatest Calvary officer in American history.
33 posted on 12/10/2007 5:02:00 AM PST by MBB1984
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To: indcons
Forrest's famous temper was again shown to Braxton Bragg after Bragg took some of his men and put them and Forrest under Wheeler's command. Reportedly, Forrest did everything short of challenging his commanding officer to a duel, disrespect Forrest showed to all of his commanders whom he believed were threatening him by personal attacks or by persecuting him.

LOL My wife had an uncle a general under Bragg who also had a strong dislike for Bragg too. He was court martialed by him. Forrest was a much greater planner than Bragg as were other Confederate generals and it showed.

34 posted on 12/10/2007 5:25:34 AM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: indcons

bump for later


35 posted on 12/10/2007 5:27:41 AM PST by righthand man (WE'RE SOUTHERN AND PROUD OF IT)
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To: indcons

Yes.


36 posted on 12/10/2007 6:03:28 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Hillary Clinton has never done one thing right. She thinks that qualifies her to be President?)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

Wheeler would later help lead forces into Cuba during the Spanish-American War


37 posted on 12/10/2007 6:11:06 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: indcons
Forrest had a 'feel' for the battlefield.

He was also helped a lot by incompetent Union leaders who thought cavalry was for conveying messages and protecting supply lines. Until Sheridan, there was no 'real' Union cavalry, and any that Forrest ran into was easy pickings.

His brilliance was the ability to improvise mobile warfare from his saddle. Had he the resources of the North, there is no telling what he could have accomplished.

If you look at his actions in a number of encounters, you will see the same type of tactics used in engagements from Chateau-Thierry to the Gulf conflicts.

Forrest was the innovator, the rest, imitators.

38 posted on 12/10/2007 6:24:24 AM PST by Pistolshot (Never argue with stupid people, they just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience)
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To: indcons
Forrest's famous temper was again shown to Braxton Bragg after Bragg took some of his men and put them and Forrest under Wheeler's command. Reportedly, Forrest did everything short of challenging his commanding officer to a duel, disrespect Forrest showed to all of his commanders whom he believed were threatening him by personal attacks or by persecuting him.

If you had a time machine and were to go back in the hopes of advancing the cause of the South as much as possible, it's a good tossup as to whether the better recipient of a well-placed pistol ball would be Bragg, or John Bell Hood.

Either choice would have at least temporarily saved the lives of hundreds, prpbably thousands of lives, on both sides.

39 posted on 12/10/2007 6:24:49 AM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: indcons
In said picture, NBF looks a little like Emilio Estevez.

"The life of a Calvary officer is always intense."

40 posted on 12/10/2007 6:30:47 AM PST by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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