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Justice Thomas: 'The court is 'avoiding' the Natural Born Citizen question.
CSPAN ^ | April 15,2010 | CSPAN

Posted on 04/16/2010 7:23:33 AM PDT by penelopesire

A curious thing happened in the Supreme Court budget hearing yesterday. Rep. Joe Serrano went on a long monologue about 'diversity' in the court and even said he would be glad when the day came, that a Puerto Rican could be president...to which Thomas replied that the court was avoiding that question. Nervous laughter ensues and the topic is quickly dropped. I'd like to know what my fellow FReepers think of the exchange.

It happens around the 1:13-1:14:10 mark in the video. It would be great if someone could isolate that exchange and put it on YouTube so everyone could hear it without sitting through the entire hearing.


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hmmmmmmmm.....did I hear the exchange right?

What say you?

1 posted on 04/16/2010 7:23:33 AM PDT by penelopesire
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To: STARWISE; SE Mom; little jeremiah; onyx; maggief; hoosiermama

Please listen to the exchange on CSPAN when you get a chance and ping anyone you think might be interested to the thread.

Thanks!


2 posted on 04/16/2010 7:24:56 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: penelopesire

and even said he would be glad when the day came, that a Puerto Rican could be president...

Other than a liberal bent, it couldn’t be any worse than what now inhabits the house.


3 posted on 04/16/2010 7:27:35 AM PDT by wita
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To: wita

why would this be of interest!


4 posted on 04/16/2010 7:29:03 AM PDT by gunnyg (THINK: NOVEMBER TOO LATE???/!!! Our Novembers Are Behind Us...)
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To: penelopesire

I believe we’ve had presidents or presidential candidates in the past who were born in a territory. Goldwater was born in Arizona Territory. But Arizona became a state. I don’t think there’s been one that was born in a territory that remained a territory.


5 posted on 04/16/2010 7:29:51 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: penelopesire

Even though Obama’s NBC status isn’t a question of territory v. state, it’s hard to imagine another reason for Thomas’s comment about “avoiding.”


6 posted on 04/16/2010 7:31:12 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: penelopesire

Very interesting...thanks for the post...(LOVE Justice Thomas...and wife!).


7 posted on 04/16/2010 7:32:27 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: Genoa

...what about being born in one of the fifty-seven states?...sayeth the wizard of smart in the oval office...Harvard magna my a**!


8 posted on 04/16/2010 7:34:17 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: penelopesire

I think it means that Thomas is pi$$ed that his hands are tied on the natural born question and would like nothing more than to skewer BO on it.


9 posted on 04/16/2010 7:38:08 AM PDT by albie
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To: albie

Oh and btw...a “Puerto Rican” would be fine with me. Most are very conservative and compared to Sontamayer anythings better.


10 posted on 04/16/2010 7:39:43 AM PDT by albie
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To: penelopesire
I hope Justice Thomas has good personal security. The kind NOT related in anyway to a government payroll.

Ditto for Scalia and Roberts.

11 posted on 04/16/2010 7:40:55 AM PDT by workerbee (Yes, I hate Obama because of his color: RED!)
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To: matginzac; Genoa

Do listen to it when you get a chance and tell me if I heard it correctly. Cspan doesn’t let you fast forward the video(or else I can’t figure out how to do it). It appeared to me that Thomas’s remark made some folks a tad bit nervous...lol.


12 posted on 04/16/2010 7:41:50 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Genoa

of course, chester arthur was actually a usurper too—canada, british I believe—posted somewhere on my Gunny G sites, etc, etc.


13 posted on 04/16/2010 7:43:13 AM PDT by gunnyg (THINK: NOVEMBER TOO LATE???/!!! Our Novembers Are Behind Us...)
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To: penelopesire

It was from a discussion from Rep. Jose Serrano (D-NY) and Thomas about putting Sotomayor on the Supremes. Thomas makes a comment about Puerto Rican immigrants wanting judgeship not having to answer to being born in the US... Serrano says oh really, you haven’t answered if I have to to serve as president and Thomas laughs and says no, “we’re evading that.” Not quotes but the general words. Thomas used the word, “evading”.

Bottom line, it’s a gottcha moment. Thomas admits they don’t want to touch it. Sorry, sorry, thing. Thomas just put himself on my list.


14 posted on 04/16/2010 7:44:49 AM PDT by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: gunnyg

here it be...

http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2008/12/11/historical-breakthrough-proof-chester-arthur-concealed-he-was-a-british-subject-at-birth/


15 posted on 04/16/2010 7:45:59 AM PDT by gunnyg (THINK: NOVEMBER TOO LATE???/!!! Our Novembers Are Behind Us...)
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To: albie

I got the feeling that Thomas was firing a shot across the bow as well. Barbara Lee had been going on and on trying to blame him for the lack of diversity on the court in the 30 minutes prior to the statement. Thomas had tried to explain to her that it wasn’t for the court to decide on the pool of applicants that were submitted to the court for clerkships, etc. and that most members welcomed a diverse pool,etc. Then Serrano gets on his soapbox for several minutes before Thomas shuts them all up with his statement...lol!


16 posted on 04/16/2010 7:46:56 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: penelopesire

“We’re Evading That One”
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=gmail&rls=gm&q=supreme+thomas+we%27re+evading+that+one&btnG=Search&cts=1271429267008&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
*************

This the one?


17 posted on 04/16/2010 7:50:54 AM PDT by gunnyg (THINK: NOVEMBER TOO LATE???/!!! Our Novembers Are Behind Us...)
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To: bgill

‘Evading’ was the word he used...my bad.Thanks for taking the time to listen to it.

I didn’t take it to mean that Thomas is in favor of ‘evading’ the issue, but that the ‘majority’ is...for what-ever reason. Hell...everyone in positions of power in this country is ‘evading’ this question! I don’t blame Thomas. He was speaking the truth and it took courage to even bring it up. He was, after all, speaking to the congressional clowns that hold the purse strings for the court.


18 posted on 04/16/2010 7:52:30 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Genoa

Is Kenya or is Canada a U.S. territory?


19 posted on 04/16/2010 7:53:25 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: penelopesire
Please listen to the exchange on CSPAN when you get a chance and ping anyone you think might be interested to the thread. Thanks!

Got it clipped... uploading in moments... will post again when its done. Interesting exchange.... initiated by Thomas, not by the dem... Almost as if Thomas was baiting the chairman. Gonna study it more, but very interesting.
20 posted on 04/16/2010 7:55:57 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: gunnyg

The exchange is here:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/293017-1

between the 1:13:28 hour mark and the 1:14:10 hour mark.


21 posted on 04/16/2010 7:56:17 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: gunnyg

if it’s there, someone w/much more cyber-expertise than me can find it...hope someone does and posts it here,,,


22 posted on 04/16/2010 7:56:17 AM PDT by gunnyg (THINK: NOVEMBER TOO LATE???/!!! Our Novembers Are Behind Us...)
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To: workerbee

You would be better off hoping Justice Kennedy has good security. That is the one the leftists want off the court asap, so their commie affirmative action fraud-in-chief can appoint the replacement and move the Court to a clear majority of leftist black-robed rulers.


23 posted on 04/16/2010 7:57:00 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: Safrguns

Bless you!! Thanks! Please ping me when you get it uploaded.


24 posted on 04/16/2010 7:57:20 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: albie
I think it means that Thomas is pi$$ed that his hands are tied on the natural born question and would like nothing more than to skewer BO on it.

Did you not listen to it? That's not at all what I saw and heard. He's right up there with O'Bor and Beck and Coulter. They talk good when it benefits them but then they turn their backs on us if the msn gives them bad PR. Nope, Thomas will be of no help. He knows the truth and is "evading" following the US Constitution and thus has put himself at the top of this natural born citizen and voter's poo list.

25 posted on 04/16/2010 7:57:21 AM PDT by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: penelopesire

I wonder if what Justice Thomas said had anything to do with 0bama attempting to spank the Court in public during the State of the Union address.


26 posted on 04/16/2010 7:57:44 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: workerbee

And don’t forget security for Alito and Kennedy who has grown to see the light when it comes to the constitution.


27 posted on 04/16/2010 7:59:17 AM PDT by Carley (I'll keep clinging to the constitution, my guns and my religion, thank you.)
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To: LucyT; Fred Nerks

Thought someone should ping the list.


28 posted on 04/16/2010 8:00:55 AM PDT by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: MHGinTN

LOL! No. But his mother could have been anywhere in the world when her UK-US dual-citizen son was born, and it wouldn’t have made a bit of difference.


29 posted on 04/16/2010 8:01:01 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: pnh102

Perhaps. Thomas strikes me as the perfect gentleman though and was not confrontational at all during the hearing. I actually caught it last night and went to find the clip this morning to post on FR.


30 posted on 04/16/2010 8:02:15 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Genoa

True dat! He is not a natural born citizen, thus not Constitutionally eligible, and the entire of democrat party—voters and leadership—is okay with setting the Constitution aside for their affirmative action bastard.


31 posted on 04/16/2010 8:04:20 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: gunnyg

ok—i posted a google alert for it—when somebody posts something somewhere on this I’ll get a google alert....


32 posted on 04/16/2010 8:04:42 AM PDT by gunnyg (THINK: NOVEMBER TOO LATE???/!!! Our Novembers Are Behind Us...)
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To: penelopesire

IIRC, Thomas was the justice who accepted the case presented in Dec 2008 claiming Obama wasn’t qualified to be President based on his father being Kenyan.

It went for conference with the 9 justices, and at least 6 thought the case wasn’t worth hearing. That means 0-3 thought it was...and I’d assume Thomas makes it at least 1.


33 posted on 04/16/2010 8:10:59 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: bgill

Hmm, maybe admitting that they are aware of the situation and hopefully one of these days they will have to address it? I can’t believe that Justice Thomas or some of the others would purposedly avoid this.

Waiting for the right case/time, maybe, I hope.


34 posted on 04/16/2010 8:12:50 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: penelopesire

It happens around the 1:13-1:14:10 mark in the video. It would be great if someone could isolate that exchange and put it on YouTube so everyone could hear it without sitting through the entire hearing.


You don’t have to sit through the entire hearing to listen to the clip part you are referencing. Just take the scroll button and move it to the portion of the hearing you are interested in and then let it play. The reference was first made by the Chairman about 1:05 in the tape and Justice Thomas made a refernce a few moments later in one of his responses.


35 posted on 04/16/2010 8:16:47 AM PDT by deport
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To: MHGinTN

And add to the mix that IF he was born outside the United States, then his mother would not have been of the correct age to even pass along the US half of the dual citizenship. He would then be a UK citizen, period.


36 posted on 04/16/2010 8:19:51 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: deport

It wouldn’t work for me for some reason. I may need to update my media player or something.


37 posted on 04/16/2010 8:22:00 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Mr Rogers

BINGO BUMP!

“IIRC, Thomas was the justice who accepted the case presented in Dec 2008 claiming Obama wasn’t qualified to be President based on his father being Kenyan.

It went for conference with the 9 justices, and at least 6 thought the case wasn’t worth hearing. That means 0-3 thought it was...and I’d assume Thomas makes it at least 1.”


38 posted on 04/16/2010 8:23:12 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: deport

I can’t find it.


39 posted on 04/16/2010 8:29:46 AM PDT by Sophia777
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To: albie
Don't be fooled. Puerto Ricans as well as other latinos ARE quite conservative in religious and family ways in the main.

However, when in this country they vote overwhelmingly socialist just as much as the home-grown kind who want to leech on generous Big Padre government.

Leni

40 posted on 04/16/2010 8:35:32 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: penelopesire

Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7qEH-tKoXA

It is still processing, so give it a little time.

Here is my take on this:

The exchange starts out with Serrano more or less apologizing to Thomas for the left’s treatment of him in the past.

As Thomas is replying, Serrano then interrupts Thomas with an acknowledgment of a Thomas opinion (apparently stated previously) that he doesn’t think that the appropriations committee should necessarily be chaired by a judge.

Thomas then replies by relating that issue to the POTUS eligibility issue, indirectly referring to where Serrano was born.

Serrano then makes light of the apparent fact that SCOTUS (or Thomas) refuses to share opinion on the POTUS eligibility issue, but is willing to acknowledge his own eligibility to chair the committee.

Thomas then acknowledges the avoidance of the issue, but is not too clear on which... I believe in Thomas’ jest, he meant both.

What is clear to me is that Thomas is the one who brought the POTUS eligibility issue up.

My personal belief is that he did so because it is the eligibility issue which is first and foremost in his mind...
but he knows that politically, he must bide his time.
Thomas just couldn’t help himself. I think it frustrates him that the eligibility issue is not more prominent in the dominant media and court of public opinion.

Another clear conclusion I can draw from this is that EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT IT!!!


41 posted on 04/16/2010 8:37:28 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: penelopesire

save


42 posted on 04/16/2010 8:38:37 AM PDT by phockthis
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To: Safrguns

Yep, yer right on target!


43 posted on 04/16/2010 8:47:01 AM PDT by gunnyg (THINK: NOVEMBER TOO LATE???/!!! Our Novembers Are Behind Us...)
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To: penelopesire

Even Justice Thomas has as sense of humor, ever think of that?


44 posted on 04/16/2010 8:50:11 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: penelopesire

FR is the reason why everyone should read all the responses, as well as the posted articles, everywhere!

Semper Fidelis
Dick Gaines
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45 posted on 04/16/2010 8:50:34 AM PDT by gunnyg (THINK: NOVEMBER TOO LATE???/!!! Our Novembers Are Behind Us...)
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To: penelopesire

pay particular attention (freeze frame) at :57 - :61.

It is very hard to catch, but the facial expression on Thomas Changes immediately after his initial reference to birthplace, and he follows his statement with a very short exhale of breath as if he were saying or thinking that it’s hard to believe that what he just said was popular thought.


46 posted on 04/16/2010 8:52:25 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: penelopesire

Just a few years back...there was a 60 Minutes segment on him and his wife, etc.

Wish everyone could see it—if it’s online anywhere—find it!


47 posted on 04/16/2010 8:53:06 AM PDT by gunnyg (THINK: NOVEMBER TOO LATE???/!!! Our Novembers Are Behind Us...)
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To: penelopesire; BP2; Fred Nerks; Red Steel; Danae; El Gato; onyx; SE Mom; hoosiermama; Bahbah; ...

REALLY good find, Pen. I’ve listened for about 10 mins. before and after that segment... a couple of times.

He was very quick with the “we’re evading that one,” which did give me a start.

He is a very jocular person so it could very well have been just that humor .. jibing Serrano as they spar back and forth, but then who knows.

* * *

Thomas: mentions they’ve been working together for a decade and a half.

Serrano: Oh really ? I’m glad to hear you don’t think there has to be a judge on the court up here, ‘cause I’m not a judge.

Thomas: and you don’t have to be born in the US so you never have to ever answer that question.

Serrano: you haven’t answered whether I can serve as president but you answer this one ?

Thomas: we’re evading that one .. we’re giving you another option.

Laughter


48 posted on 04/16/2010 8:56:15 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: penelopesire

Interesting.

One must wonder why such a straightforward bit of great FReeper reporting on comments by the people who work for us in a public hearing should be in the Smoky Backroom.


49 posted on 04/16/2010 9:03:11 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (No sane man loves war. But all decent men realize there can be no peace with tyrants or terrorists.)
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To: STARWISE

When they’re in the chummy collegial mode...that’s when what they really think comes out.


50 posted on 04/16/2010 9:04:14 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (No sane man loves war. But all decent men realize there can be no peace with tyrants or terrorists.)
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