Posted on 11/08/2011 11:57:50 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
I think Obama Sr. is his Father. I think the Shabazz thing may just be another alias that has been stumbled into by coincidence.
Our president went underground during his early college days for a reason. The BPP and BLA were very real, and very attractive to young men like Barry in 1979. Im convinced he was a soldier. Joann Chesimard was in NYC when Obama was there. Cocaine and Smack, BPP and Bari. Barry had a drug history back in Hawaii. He also had a yearning to be an authentic black man and a contempt for whites. Drugs and BPP fills many voids for Barry in his journey to manhood. Somehow, Chesimard is smuggled out of the country to Cuba while Obama is in NYC, coming of age. An exciting time for a young black man coming to terms with his black identity, and in all likelihood high on cocaine most of the time. Sometime In 1980 to 1984, Druggie Obama is in NYC searching out Radicals. He found them. He now employs them.
I do believe somebody is starting to release some historical morsels about the person saying they are Barack Hussein Obama.
Not quite diversionary like certain Kenya birth documents or the birth registration from Hawaii that shows on line 23 that it was his grandmother that “registered” the Kenya born baby in Honolulu.
So I guess Obama is now possibly a “cold case” file, would be interesting if there was a felony involved, do statue of limitations apply here?
I’m not convinced that she wasn’t, but I’m not convinced that she was either.
Obama resembles her a lot and looks a lot like her father as well, so, I’m not sure what to make of the whole thing.
As far as I know, he could only be 10 in two different years.
1969 Christmas season: The Scott Inoue 3rd Grade picture
So, if his birthday is August 4 and he turned 10 in 1969, he can be 10.
1970 Obama meets mentor Frank Marshall Davis for first time - when he was TEN.
When did this take place. If it happened before August 4 of 1970, then Obama would still be 10.
“While his mother was in Indonesia during part of his teenage years, Mr Obama lived with his white grandparents. Mrs Weatherly-Williams said that the poet was first introduced to the future Democratic presidential candidate in 1970 at the age of 10. “
Same as above, if this happened before August 4, 1970, Obama would still be 10. Do we know where the above happened?
1971 - if the timeline is correct this is the year Obama turns 10. On August 4, 1971. Of course in 1969 and 1970 and most of 1971 Obama II was supposed to be in Indonesia. He returns to Hawaii only in October of 1971.
The dates are a mess. Not to throw a new monkey wrench into the works, but is it possible that she was pregnant at 16 and was sent off to friends/relatives in Chicago to have the baby? Or at the very least, that she was pregnant earlier than they claimed, so they had to fudge the dates? Just wondering.
The first two are definitely in direct conflict with the supposed accepted timeline of a August 4, 1961 birth.
Based on that he would be 10 from August 4, 1971 to August 3, 1972.
He would not be ten in 1969 or 1970.
Yes, the dates are a mess. Usually that happens when the stories are made up.
Yet he looks older than 10 in 1969. Were Inoue and Obama in the same grade?
Ping to my beloved conspiracy guy. :)
They were supposed to be in 3rd grade.
Here is the best attempt to map the timelines.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=188801
I has an image of the original photo with Inoue’s mothers hand writing on it. It is clearly the Christmas Season as Christmas decorations can be seen in the background.
Here is another link with ‘fairytale version’.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_and_career_of_Barack_Obama
During the 1969 - 1970 school year Obama was supposed to be in Catholic school in Jakarta. The article also claims Obama would spend summers with his Grandparents in Hawaii. That is strange. Why? And who paid for it if you did? Maybe it was part of the SAD/SAS’s payment to be in Indonesia with the spooks.
The article on him meeting FMD for the first time was interesting. It says they first met in 1970. And maybe Obama II was traveling back to Hawaii as the wiki article says but the age would still off from the ‘fairytale version’. In 1970 Obama would be 8/9. He would not be 10 until August - 1971.
Maybe the 1969 photo was Obama visiting the Hawaii school while he was visiting for Christmas? Sometimes parents do that so kids can see their old friends/classmates?
Sorry, guys but the file activity 20 years later is normal. Govt agencies don’t keep files active forever, they have a shelf life determined by the file’s RDA (Records Disposition Act) form. Old inactive files are regularly closed and archived after a set number of years, and that’s what I’m seeing here, with a normal delay between the legal case file closure and the fiscal verification of debt release. But, on another note, WTF is up with Barry Soetero still using that bogus Connecticut SSN ???
If the date of her birthday in November, 1942 is correct, and IF she was pregnant at 16, that would make it 1958...when she was supposedly at Mercer Island High School, and the kenyan student had not yet arrived in Hawaii, which arrival is dated June, 1959.
There is reference in 'Dreams' however, that in the summer (we assume 1958) when 'I was only 16 then' she worked as an au pair in Chicago. 'Au Pair' is just a fancy european word for Nanny.
But you are right, none of the dates add up.
...The dates are a mess. Not to throw a new monkey wrench into the works, but is it possible that she was pregnant at 16 and was sent off to friends/relatives in Chicago to have the baby?
Or at the very least, that she was pregnant earlier than they claimed, so they had to fudge the dates? Just wondering.
If the date of her birthday in November, 1942 is correct, and IF she was pregnant at 16, that would make it 1958... when she was supposedly at Mercer Island High School, and the kenyan student had not yet arrived in Hawaii, which arrival is dated June, 1959.
There is reference in 'Dreams' however, that in the summer (we assume 1958) when 'I was only 16 then' she worked as an au pair in Chicago.
'Au Pair' is just a fancy European word for Nanny.
But you are right, none of the dates add up.
. . . . Please begin at # 184 , and read to end of page.
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This is really messing with my brain. All the dates, places, etc. are so screwed up that even hussein wouldn’t know the truth if it finally surfaced.
Billy Ayers and Bernadette did the best they could through their drug soaked haze.
The timeline issues are significant in identifying who he really is. But this isn't the professional way to approach the question.
You need to start with the dates and places where you know where he is or was--Christmas 1969 and the third grade are almost certainly accurate--you know he was there on that date.
You need to be careful with the class pictures. It looks to me as though the Kindergarten picture in Hawaii is almost certainly fake--he wasn't there. That's one of those places where the creator of the legend though he needed to be in Hawaii at that point and he was not.
With respect to the school year dates, you need to know when the school year starts and how long it lasts. It appears that the schools in Indonesia ran on a calendar year, not a September start year.
Application of those two propositions will reconcile some of the inconsistencies but not all of them.
Then, in looking at the school and age timeline questions, you have to be struck by the proposition that every year, he is one of the largest and most mature kids in his class until he gets out to the 20-21 year age bracket where the rest of the kids have caught up with him--then, he is 6'1" which is 2.8" above average height but not the six or eight inches you see in the younger classes.
That isn't conclusive either but it suggests the August 4, 1961 date may not be his in fact birthday.
Another issue you need to understand in looking at the dates--apparently the Moslems have a little different view about birth dates. So we need to remember that we call birth the date of delivery; the date the umbilical cord is cut. And when we calculate age and birthday's, that is the date we are talking about.
The Chinese and some Moslem cults count age from the conception date. I believe that some belief systems use what they want to believe is a real calculated conception date. In the modern world, in China, the system in use assumes a child is a year old three months after the delivery date.
I believe it is almost certain on the current record that zero is in fact the Bar-i Malick Shabazz who has been identified. On that basis (and on the basis of other facts not presently in the record) I also accept the identification of Malcolm X (MX) as his father.
The October 1959 date identified as a birth date by Trowbridge is off Social Security records which in turn are prepared from the initial filing--a form filled out by the applicant which is not authenticated in any way.
So in 1973 when zero filled this form out, he had an incentive to add to his record age--work permit issues about what kind of job he could have; driver's learning permit; etc.
Note that Trowbridge characterizes the October 59 date as a "conception" date. It is not likely that she would have used that word inadvertently which in turn implies that she thinks it is not a birth date in the sense of delivery.
You do not know however whether Trowbridge's word reflects additional knowledge or speculation. She has used a baby picture when he was about 4-6 months old as a February 1962 date. Obviously, the apparent 4-6 months is not reconcilable with a true birth in October 59 which would have made him three years and three months in the picture.
So her use of the word "conception" may well simply reflect her recognition that the two are not reconcilable and an attempt to narrow the gap. October 28, 1959 conception would be a birth date in August of 60 which still is not reconcilable with the picture if February of 62 is a valid date for the date the picture was taken which it may not be.
The picture was published in April of 62; makeup of the magazine would have been March; the picture could have been retained by MX from some earlier date and delivered to the magazine--or it may be accurately dated.
However the picture, at least in my view, establishes that he was born no later than August 4, 1961 because by the makeup date in February or March 62, he was 4-6 months old.
I would also say that Trowbridge's identification of the woman's neck in the picture is inconclusive. Again she may have independent sources that confirm her view but I doubt it. And I do not think the identification is accurate.
The ultimate remaining issue is the question of the place of his birth. Nothing in Trowbridge's material or anything else establishes that fact. If the SS-5 in fact appears, it may or may not give some clue to the place of birth. But at this point, we have a pretty good idea of what his father's name was; a fairly strong suggestion about what name was pinned on him at birth. There are a couple of other facts that would bear on the place of his birth that are not yet on the record.
I know that you and many others do not want to know this but I will say it again anyway--the issue and the only issue about his eligibility to hold the office is his place of birth.
As above, there is little remaining doubt about his identity at birth; or about his father.
There is no evidence at this point that he was born in New York. Nothing in the Social Security death index even indicates that the SS-5 used a New York birth location.
And the SS-5 was a self serving document completed by zero sometime in about 1973. Although the form calls for birthplace, it may or may not be accurate.
The essential remaining fact is where he was born.
. . . . Check out # 196 and # 197.
Thanks, David.
Getting closer....
if ....there is no story, why is there a coverup?....I won’t be allowed to swallow all this stuff lock,stock and barrel but I have to acknowledge that it sure is hinky
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