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Why Confederates are taken for granted! (Like conservatives today?)
Nolan Chart ^ | March 16, 2012 | Mark Vogl

Posted on 03/21/2012 7:21:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The Confederates of the Southern movement are like the conservatives of the Republican Party, the leaders believe they have no choice!

The parallels occurring in America between the 2012 election year, what is occurring in America as a nation and in the South, and the events of 150 years ago are startling.

While most Americans have some knowledge of the GOP Primary, few have any idea of the Sesquicentennial (the 150th Anniversary of the Civil War) and the events occurring in the Southern movement. And yet, what is occurring is like mirror reflections of one another.

Let's start with what most people know about, the GOP primary. Mitt Romney is the sweetheart of the northeast Republicans. He is super rich, someone keenly involved in the international economy. He is a social liberal, the father of Romney Care, the proto type of Obama Care. He is not Christian, or at least his faith, Mormonism, is not Christian and this suits the northeast elite who revile the Christian faith. God has no place at the governing table. Heavily Catholic in the northeast, it is also heavily liberal. Abortion starts and ends there, along with feminism.

There is a strong Jewish constituency in the northeast, and though divided on many issues, many Jews see America as an extension of Israel. Not the other way around... American foreign policy revolves around Israel. We are in two wars, and threatening a third for Israel's security not our own.

Former Governor of a blue, dark blue state, Mitt Romney is keenly aware of all the above.

But Romney can't win a majority of Republican votes anywhere. He has spent maybe twenty million dollars and the best he can do is garner about 35% of the vote in any state. Why? Because the conservative core of the Party rejects him. It’s instinctual. It’s not Rush, or Hannity. They have no effect on this. Neither does Beck, a Mormon who I would bet is committed to Romney. Beck has backed away recently, but his fangs have already shown.

So if the conservative base will not support Romney in the Primaries how is it that the GOP elite think Romney can beat Obama? ( Maybe they don't, but that's for a different article. ) Because the Republican elite, the Neo Cons, the Karl Roves, the Bush's, et. el figure the conservatives have nowhere else to go. If Romney is the nominee, if he is forced on the party, they will have no choice but support him. Some conservatives may stay home, but the Republican elite just can't believe enough of the conservative base would stay home, or vote for Obama to give the Democrats the win. So conservatives...once again, as you have time and again, you will have to accept the lesser of two evils. You know like McCain and Bob Dole, this is the best we can do. Suck it up! ( an old Army expression.)

For most of us conservatives we know the story. Its burned in our political memories.

Well, the parallel is in the South. For most of the nation the Sesquicentennial doesn't mean much. Many Americans ancestors arrived after the war. Italians, central Europeans, Greeks, and almost all the Latino's have no direct connection to the war, or the division of the nation. In fact, most of these people have no connection to the founding of the nation. They came for material wealth, not liberty and freedom. In their mind, government is supposed to provide. The Tenth Amendment, what's that?

But in the South, where there is a tie to Robert E. Lee, the Confederacy, and southern nationalism, the Sesquicentennial is more than a minor occurrence. If you have ever seen the movie "Sweet Home Alabama" it accurately portrays what occurs in the South every year! The Sesquicentennial is NOT the only time reenactments occur, it’s just when the biggest ones do. A special effort is made.

Recent work at Texas A & M on genealogical formula's indicates that between 50 and 80 million Americans have blood that traces back to a Southern ancestor. That would be one sixth to one fourth of all Americans. Pretty sizeable crew.

But the Sesquicentennial is occurring during the Obama Presidency and there seems to be a real effort, though hidden and underground, to reduce the Southern Pride. Example; the Museum of the Confederacy (M.o.C.) Located in the heart of Richmond, the capitol of the Olde Confederacy, the Museum occupies prized ground that surrounding hospitals or other businesses want. The pressure has been on them a long time to get out. So, this year, the M.o.C. opens its first extension. Many of us believe the opening of the extensions will allow the Museum to leave Richmond eventually.

But the selection for the first opening is evidence that Yankee interests have invested the museum.

Is the first opening in the lovely Shenandoah where Jackson beat three Union armies in one campaign? No. Oh I know, it’s off Interstate 95 at Chancellorsville, the site of Lee's greatest victory! NO. OK, maybe up closer to Washington, D.C. on the Manassas battlefield where the Confederacy won two major battles? Nope. So where?

Appomattox, the place where General Lee surrendered the Army of Northern Virginia. You are kidding! For a Southerner, only Andersonville could be a worse location!

Nope, it's Appomattox. A location more than an hour from any interstate! A location not heavily visited. Great plan don't you think? Take the musuem out of Richmond and put it out in the middle of nowhere?

But the subtle attack on the Confederacy gets better. No Confederate flags will fly on poles outside the Museum of the Confederacy! Not one.

But hey, you Southerners dig into your pockets and shell out some money for the M.o.C.

The fight in the South goes well beyond this.

At THE CITADEL, in Charleston, South Carolina, where the cadets of this school fired the first shots of the war, this school played Dixie as its fight song at football games in the 70's. Confederate naval ensigns flew proudly on the RV's and cars outside the stadium at the cookouts before the game. Crimson red dominated the area surrounding the stadium

Crimson red still dominates, but it’s not the Confederate battle flag. And Dixie, well you don't hear that one anymore. THE CITADEL is not the only culprit. The University of Texas at Arlington, which used to be Arlington State College, and was known as the Rebels where Dixie was also played, is now the U.T.A. Mavericks. The effort to erase Southern history proceeds unabated. The heritage organizations responsible for defending the Cause, overwhelmed or apathetic shrink in inactivity. Oh yes, every once in awhile you will hear about a Court case. But with a potential base of 50 - 80 million Americans you would think they could make more than a whisper.

Where Gettysburg in Pennsylvania nets three hundred million in tourist monies every year, employing 6,000 people, battlefields in the South are hidden. When you drive into a Southern state go to their Visitor's center and look through the brochures for Maps about the Civil War. Probably won't find them. They are there but you have to ask at the counter. The north can prosper from the war, but the South...nope.

Groups like the Sons of Confederate Veterans and the United Daughters of the Confederacy treat Southern patriots like the GOP treats their conservative core. You have nowhere else to go so suck it up!

Ok, so why are you writing this article? Well Republicans remember you thought the conservatives would have no choice? If there is a parallel between the South and the GOP you better rethink that.

In the South, since the heritage organizations would not fight for the South, new groups have spontaneously arisen, and you know what. Much of the activists in these groups are members of the heritage organizations who are tired of inactivity and defeat without a fight. They are in the streets, and they call themselves Flaggers. They reject the passivity and leadership of the heritage organizations. They are causing more pressure on the enemies of the South, and getting more attention then anyone can believe. They are only a handful, but in a South tired of being kicked they are growing.

Well, the same could happen in November at the ballot box.

Sarah Palin is still with us. A candidacy by her would end Romney, nominee or not.

History does repeat itself...but this time the history is simultaneous. Patriotism is not dead. Individuals willing to fight for what they think is right, and who are tired of sorry leadership are on the move. Will it snowball? Let's watch.


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To: El Kabong1

NS=Non Sequitur, a now banned poster who argued the pro-union side on the WBTS threads and who, even now, strikes abject fear into the Lost Cause Losers here.

And for good reason - he routinely kicked ass whenever he went up against one of these guys. It was moderately amusing to see them fight like leftist schoolgirls against him. Come to think of it - they still do “fight” that way!


101 posted on 03/26/2012 12:45:42 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr
Don't know why you include me in that post.

That could be NS or not, I don't know but I can spot trolls a mile away.

If you read the post I responded to, then check the posters history, you'll see it too.

102 posted on 03/26/2012 12:46:33 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: rockrr; manc; mojitojoe
And for good reason - he routinely kicked ass whenever he went up against one of these guys.

LOLOLOL...you know what got NS zotted don't you?

103 posted on 03/26/2012 12:56:20 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“American foreign policy revolves around Israel. We are in two wars, and threatening a third for Israel’s security not our own.”

I stopped reading there.


104 posted on 03/26/2012 12:56:30 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: Cheburashka

Meanwhile, slavery was legal in the North and Lincoln stated he had no desire to end it, so what’s your point?


105 posted on 03/26/2012 12:58:37 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: iowamark
So, what offenses exactly did President Buchanan commit against "States rights, self reliance and the 10th amendment" to justify secession?

The people of the South wanted Independence it wasn't for anyone else but them to decide its merits. The people voted on it. It wasn't forced on to them. The Federal Govt was pressuring the South with Tariffs and ending slavery in territories because they were to remain "lilly" white. 90% of the whites in the South held no slaves, this wasn't about slavery. Actually competing with plantations factories was no bargain for the average southern farmer.

Mostly the slavery issue gave the average Southerner an excuse to kill the overbearing arrogant Yankees legally, with free ammunition. A feeling I find hard not to relate too.

106 posted on 03/26/2012 12:59:08 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Yea. He said that even though he didn’t agree with the repeal of DADT, he considered service personnel true professionals and didn’t think that it would destroy the military.


107 posted on 03/26/2012 1:09:56 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr
Yea. He said that even though he didn’t agree with the repeal of DADT, he considered service personnel true professionals and didn’t think that it would destroy the military.

It was a zot thread, and I warned him to stay off. He couldn't resist.

So are you going on record as agreeing with that statement?

108 posted on 03/26/2012 1:24:19 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: rockrr

No, he was openly supporting and promoting the homo agenda here.

Plus he was an obnoxious troll.


109 posted on 03/26/2012 1:26:43 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
No, he was openly supporting and promoting the homo agenda here.

Incorrect.

"Everyone is someone else's troll - even you"

110 posted on 03/26/2012 1:35:52 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

Posting history and time reveal all.


111 posted on 03/26/2012 1:36:23 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: rockrr

I miss NS.

He is missed


112 posted on 03/26/2012 1:38:16 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: rockrr
Eh, go read his posting history, it's still here.

I have never been called a troll in over 18,000 posts, except for once and that was from a Paulbot who was desperately losing an argument.

NS was labeled troll by many a FReeper who have been here longer than I, and apparently by JimRob too.

113 posted on 03/26/2012 1:43:23 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Many Americans ancestors arrived after the war. Italians, central Europeans, Greeks, and almost all the Latino's have no direct connection to the war, or the division of the nation. In fact, most of these people have no connection to the founding of the nation. They came for material wealth, not liberty and freedom.

I have a problem with comments like that which I have in bold.

I know plenty of Central and Eastern Europeans whose ancestors (or themselves) were driven out of their country due to tyranny.

114 posted on 03/26/2012 1:49:04 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: rockrr
Yeah right Ace, LOLLOL!
You and your little buddy have fun now.
115 posted on 03/26/2012 1:52:30 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Newt......Nuff said.)
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To: manc; wardaddy

The haters are just like clockwork.

Their goal is to hijack any and all discussions related to the Civil War and to use them to further their agenda of trashing the South and its people.

And as wardaddy has said if you scratch a South-hater don’t be surprised to find an America-hater underneath. They often are one and the same.


116 posted on 03/26/2012 2:03:02 PM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, la raza trojan horse.)
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To: rockrr

er I called out a troll, you jumped in acting like the knight in shining armor , only for me to right and you wrong ,just like now , so who is the dolt again?

ARF


117 posted on 03/26/2012 2:14:19 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

rockrr is off his rocker me finks, the knight in shining armor, hoping to be friends with new trolls.


118 posted on 03/26/2012 2:15:53 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: Pelham

as soon as a thread like this comes on here the usual suspects arrive around the same time very quickly.

mmmmmmm


119 posted on 03/26/2012 2:17:16 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: manc; wardaddy

The haters are just like clockwork.

Their goal is to hijack any and all discussions related to the Civil War and to use them to further their agenda of trashing the South and its people.

And as wardaddy has said if you scratch a South-hater don’t be surprised to find an America-hater underneath. They often are one and the same.


120 posted on 03/26/2012 2:24:27 PM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, la raza trojan horse.)
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