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New Black Panthers release controversial image of Zimmerman
WTEV-TV ^ | April 2, 2012 | Alex Hill

Posted on 04/02/2012 3:48:09 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- The New Black Panther Party has released a controversial flyer with a photo of George Zimmerman's face in the crosshairs.

The flyer is promoting the "National Day of Action and Absence" on Monday, April 9. It describes the event as "a general strike and mass action by brothers and sisters in unity."

The organizers are asking people to boycott school, work, and shopping as part of the growing justice for Trayvon Martin movement.

The NBPP will be holding two news conferences today. One will be in Sanford, the other will be in Jacksonville.

The local news conference will be at 6 pm at the Art Gallery downtown.


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KEYWORDS: blackkk; blackpanthers; ericholder; florida; georgezimmerman; holderspeople; kenyanbornmuzzie; newblackpanthers; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hmmm. why is it I get the feeling that anyone who would take the NBPP seriously would already be “boycotting” school and work on a regular basis.


61 posted on 04/02/2012 5:18:21 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (if it weren't for double standards the left wouldn't have any standards at all)
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To: smokingfrog

Yo, we be on da screet, wit dem Jordans , equal shoes for all!!!!!!


62 posted on 04/02/2012 5:19:06 PM PDT by aces
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To: ponder life
In the last few decades, several hundred men from the prison system have been released via DNA evidence. Most of them, you guessed it, are African Amercan.

And the hundreds of thousands still behind bars are, you guessed it, blacks.......

I'm sure you were about to post the statistics of how disproportionate the numbers of blacks involved in crime and those incarcerated are compared to the white community until the buzzer rang on your clothes dryer.......weren't you?

"White Guilt" is a mental condition, not a skin condition and it can only be cured by one willing to open their eyes to facts.

63 posted on 04/02/2012 5:36:54 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (No matter what you post here, someone's going to get pissed off......)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The New Black Panther Party has released a controversial flyer with a photo of George Zimmerman’s face in the crosshairs.


Of course, any resulting deaths or injuries will be blamed on Sarah Palin’s violent rhetoric and Rush Limbaugh’s evil Conservative brain washing.


64 posted on 04/02/2012 6:16:37 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Forget George Zimmerman, why are the Panthers not in jail?


Holder’s people.


65 posted on 04/02/2012 7:13:50 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I’ve known middle & upper middle class blacks who’ve visited Africa.

I've met a few of the same. They aren't liked by true black Africans. It makes me wonder why they want to be known as African-American

66 posted on 04/02/2012 7:20:46 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Money cannot buy happiness, but it's more comfortable to cry in a Mercedes than on a bicycle.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Clearly this is in honor of Gabby Giffords.

Where have all the hippies gone?
Long time hypocrites.
Where have all the hippies gone?
Long time full of $#!t.

67 posted on 04/02/2012 9:58:00 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
What you're saying doesn't make mathematical sense. Yes, on the one hand, there a disproportionate number of black behind bars. But in terms of the absolute numbers of white and black, its about the same. Yet those that DNA exonerated were predominantly black.

If there million blacks and a million whites behind bars, the first group would represent say a larger population of blacks since there are more whites in this country.

But the number of men release by DNA as a result of false imprisonment, a majority were black. This has nothing to do with "White Guilt" as you put it. Rather, an indication, that while things have gotten better, people are still, by and large partial.

68 posted on 04/02/2012 10:36:13 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: ponder life
In the last few decades, several hundred men from the prison system have been released via DNA evidence. Most of them, you guessed it, are African Amercan.

Your information appears to be faulty.

DNA to clear 200th person

Convicting an innocent person is "every prosecutor's nightmare," said Joshua Marquis, vice president of the National District Attorneys Association.

The "tiny number" of exonerations suggests that the "epidemic of bad convictions" that Scheck suggests is "fiction," said Marquis, chief prosecutor in Clatsop County, Ore. There were 1,051,000 felony convictions in state courts in 2002, up from 829,300 in 1990, according to the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics.

Miller, 48, was convicted of raping, robbing, assaulting and kidnapping an office worker in a Near North Side parking lot in September 1981.

Miller, who is black, was identified by two parking lot attendants, who were also black. The victim, who was white, could not identify her assailant.

Most people wouldn't call 200 "several hundred." A more thorough compilation of the numbers shows even more discrepancies with your statements.

The Innocence Project

There have been 289 post-conviction DNA exonerations in the United States.

• The first DNA exoneration took place in 1989.

Exonerations have been won in 35 states; since 2000, there have been 222 exonerations.

• 17 of the 289 people exonerated through DNA served time on death row.

• The average length of time served by exonerees is 13.5 years. The total number of years served is approximately 3,800.

• The average age of exonerees at the time of their wrongful convictions was 27.

Races of the 289 exonerees:

180 African Americans
82 Caucasians
21 Latinos
2 Asian American
4 whose race is unknown

So there have actually been 289, not several hundred, over 23 years, not the last decade, and only 180 of them were African Americans.

69 posted on 04/02/2012 11:25:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Be sure to see post #69.


70 posted on 04/02/2012 11:27:11 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye
Thanks for the data. I am aware that those that were exonerated were in the numbers you referenced, i.e., 289. And that the definition of several is greater than "two".

However, I did say "last few decades" and not "last decade" as you claim. You even reposted my comment in italics.

So, I'm not sure if you're trying to catch me with wrong statistics or what. But I do not believe your data contradicted what I said. I mean, if it was 301 instead of 289, would you say the term "several hundred" been misleading? I don't think so. And that wasn't my intent.

My intent, was to show, that proportionate to the people convicted of crimes, African Americans have been wrongfully convicted beyond their proportion in the judicial system. I'm not talking proportion to the population. We all agree, that African Americans have a higher incaceration rate. I'm talking about, of those who are or were incarcerated, those that were wrongly so, a higher percentage are African Americans. I still stand by my statement.

71 posted on 04/03/2012 4:56:58 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: ponder life
I'm talking about, of those who are or were incarcerated, those that were wrongly so, a higher percentage are African Americans. I still stand by my statement.

I don't think the numbers do reflect that. The percentage of convictions proved to be bad is so miniscule that the difference in which ethnic groups may be overrepresented is little more than a statistical error. It's not a large enough group in total to make any reasonable conclusions.

The "tiny number" of exonerations suggests that the "epidemic of bad convictions" that Scheck suggests is "fiction," said Marquis, chief prosecutor in Clatsop County, Ore. There were 1,051,000 felony convictions in state courts in 2002, up from 829,300 in 1990, according to the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics.

72 posted on 04/03/2012 7:07:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye
Well....I won't disagree with you (but I am not agreeing with you either). I'm not a statistician, which is the reason why I'm not disagreeing with you. Maybe someone out there can help. But I don't know if a few hundred is so "minuscule" as you put it, that that statistic or the inference of that number should be thrown out entirely.

What I do recall from one statistics class I took many many years ago, is that even for a number as large as a million felons, it does not require a large sample to get a reasonable reflection of a representation of the group.

One statistic that would be interesting, is the tens of thousands of suspects identified and pursued, and what the racial make up of those people were. Those statistics will likely not be made available.

I'm going to go out on a limb and present my own perspective. While the media is commonly accused as being "politically correct", we need to keep in mind, this is one group of people, mindset, political slant, etc. There is another group of people in America, that vehemently oppose the perceived "political correctness". And I would say, they have their own set of political correctness and agenda (I'll call it the "other" political correctness). And while most people in law enforcement are honest people trying to do their best, I do believe it is peppered (and quite heavily) with people with this "other" political correctness. And their view of the world is sort of a white counterpart to the African Americans who are determined to see Zimmerman prosecuted.

73 posted on 04/03/2012 8:02:30 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: Noumenon

Darwin got this one right.


74 posted on 04/16/2012 1:08:35 PM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: thethirddegree
Darwin's assessment is too true in both its essentials and its details to be disregarded. For a latter-day reprise, read The Fate of Africa: A History of Fifty Years of Independence

One 2005 review reads as follows, and there is nothing in it with which I can disagree:

Five stars for this plain, urgent, and very comprehensive account of Africa since the colonial powers packed up and left, or were booted out. And as far as I know, this is the only book which covers all of Africa in the last 50 years. But I think readers should be issued with a very strong warning. You have to ask yourselves if you have a strong stomach. Because make no mistake, this is a horror story, and it has left me, after all the Geldoff-inspired euphoria, after the recent debt-cancellations, after all those good words from Blair and Brown, close to despair. Let me give you some examples chosen as random. From page 173 : "President Omar Bongo of Gabon...ordered a new palace for himself with sliding walls and doors, rotating rooms and a private nightclub, costing well over $200 million". From page 273: "The disruption caused by the `villagisation' programme nearly led to catastrophe (in Tanzania). Food production fell drastically, raising the spectre of widespread famine.... Drought compounded the problem." From page 368: "By the mid-1980s most Africans were as poor or poorer than they had been at the time if independence." From page 460: "Over a ten-year period (in Algeria) more than 100,000 people died. Nor was there any end in sight. The violence seemed to suit both sides - the military and the Islamist rebels."

The story of each African country seems to be the same. There is the early promise of independence, the charismatic new leader (it could be Nkrumah or Kenyatta or even Mugabe, of whom Ian Smith, the leader of white Rhodesia, said : "He behaved like a balanced, civilised westerner, the antithesis of the communist gangster I had expected"). There follows corruption and megalomania - palaces built, roads to nowhere commissioned, Swiss bank accounts opened, the president's tribal associates given all the top jobs. The president bans all political parties except his own, because multi-party democracy is not the African way and just plays into the hands of unscrupulous tribal leaders (but of course it is the President himself - and in Africa there has never yet been a herself - who's the biggest player of tribal politics). Then comes twenty - sometimes thirty - years of tyranny, with all political opponents jailed and tortured, and the country bankrupted. Then comes the military coup with the idealistic young military leader declaring a Council of National Salvation and a raft of anti-corruption laws. A few years later, the same young military leader (could be Samuel K Doe of Liberia, could be Yoweri Museweni of Uganda) has turned into a clone of the tyrant he deposed.

Slavery in Africa was followed by colonialism, and once that was ended, by Cold War proxy wars, and once they were over, by Aids. You would think that - plus the endemic disease and drought of course - was enough. But no, Africa suffers from another disease just as debilitating - the infestation of their own "vampire-like" ruling classes. By the end of Martin Meredith's book the horrors were not diminishing. We had had the Rwandan genocide, the children's armies of Liberia (ten year old kids high on cocaine shooting each other with Armalites) and the Lord's Resistance cult in Uganda. Still it goes on. "When Abdou Diouf of Senegal accepted defeat in an election in March 2000 he was only the fourth president to do so in four decades." And again: "The World bank estimates that 40% of Africa's private wealth is held offshore.".

The author leaves no room for any false optimism. I salute every aid agency and every politician willing to even try to improve the dire situation. But if they read this book they will be wondering where to begin.

Reinforce this with Daniel Johnah Goldhagen's Worse Than War: Genocide, Eliminationism, and the Ongoing Assault on Humanity This where you'll learn of the utter and inhuman savagery of those who participated in the slaughter and atrocity that have continued in Africa almost without pause since 'colonials' left Africa to its own devices. Slaughter and atrocity committed with "energy and enthusiasm" as Goldhagen puts it.

That will happen here if we do not stop it.

75 posted on 04/16/2012 1:50:29 PM PDT by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: DuncanWaring

And then there’s this...


76 posted on 04/16/2012 2:06:58 PM PDT by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: Noumenon

Where the heck do you find all these?


77 posted on 04/16/2012 5:33:31 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ponder life; DuncanWaring

A classic piece of Hegelian triangulation. You know - the old thesis - antithesis - synthesis bit. The synthesis, of course, always leans to the left and in so doing establishes a new ‘middle ground. Then stir in a dash of moral equivalence. We’re not buying it.

Go peddle this trash somewhere else.


78 posted on 04/16/2012 7:46:27 PM PDT by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: DuncanWaring
Where the heck do you find all these?

Inquiring minds and all that. The book on Africa is fascinating and has been in my library for years. Do pick up the Goldhagen book - I guarantee that you won't sleep well from that point onwards. Why? Because I'm right. America is a rapidly diminishing island of sanity in a world gone mad with power-lust, greed and cruelty for the sake of cruelty.

Remember the cardinal virtues of Western civilization so eloquently summarized by Quigley in his Pakistani-Peruvian Axis?

Love, humility, brotherhood, cooperation, the sanctity of work, the fellowship of community, the image of man as a fellow creature made in the image of God, respect for women as personalities and partners of men, mutual helpmates on the road to spiritual salvation, and the vision of our universe, with all of its diversity, complexity, and multitude of creatures, as a reflection of the power and goodness of God...

These virtues are entirely lacking in those who oppose us and hate us precisely because we hold those virtues dear - and live by them. We are opposed by godless monsters whose cardinal virtues are the exercise power and whose sacraments are slaughter and atrocity. I don't know how to state this with any greater clarity.

This next election cycle will do nothing - nothing - to stop this. Only we can. It's in our hands now.

79 posted on 04/16/2012 8:22:52 PM PDT by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: Noumenon
"Hegelian triangulation"?..."antithesis"?....how is it that you can use these big words and still not make an arguement?

I'm not trying to triangulate anything. Rather, just giving a perspective that I feel is real.

Go peddle this trash somewhere else.

If I couldn't make an arguement, that's probably what I would say too.

80 posted on 04/17/2012 10:16:58 AM PDT by ponder life
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