Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
“Instead, the results were circulated (WITH MY SCREEN NAME STILL ATTACHED)to a ping list of over a hundred people. And the information those messages contained was used to denigrate me and the research group of nine freepers who remained nameless throughout and will continue to remain nameless.”
I am surprised to see you re-post this claim. I am on the LucyT ping list and I never saw “the results” you say were circulated.
I did, however, see you and David together reveal your claim that Valerie Sarruf was Barry’s mom, if that is part of what you call “the results”!
See:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/2904263/replies?c=294
To: David
“...And, Lorice, as you say, first cousin to Faud, is first cousin once removed to Faud’s daughter Valerie; and is thus first counsin twice removed to Fauds grandson by daughter Valerie and we all know who he is.”
Look at this, I found an image of that Valerie, she played a part in a TV series named The Avengers in the UK in an episode from the 1962-1963 series:
The part she apparently played was Anna Rosas. If you click on that name on the page, it shows the photograph.
THE AVENGERS LINK
294 posted on 07/10/2012 3:14:22 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
What you quoted was: ...much of which has not been published here...
What part of the word "not" don't you understand?
I understand that "not" published here means it, potentially, was published elsewhere. Or else, again, the wrong words were used to convey what was meant.
Why don't you let the author of those words answer for themselves?
Sure I have, but you're too ignorant to figure it out.
Once again...prove it, don't just say it.
Still waiting.
It's just an "exercise" after all, isn't it?
Of course there are truths amongst the lies...you just have to learn how to see beyond the lies. The biggest and best lie is the one that tries to tell us that the little boy on the left is someone named 'David' -
But you and I and a few thousand others...know who the two little boys really are, and why, after years of looking, no one can find 'David' - BECAUSE HE'S ZERO!
I’ve already asked seizethecarp the point of his exercise multiple times since he opened this thread, but still haven’t gotten an answer. So what’s your point?
I don’t have to prove your ignorance. It’s quite obvious to most anyone.
I've seen things here.
Then show me what you have seen here. Enlighten me instead of denigrating me.
Why haven't you?
Because I do have a life and I'm not on here all of the time, nor do I see every reply made. Doh!
And what is fact and what is conjecture?
There's no point following conjecture and all I've seen to date is conjecture and opinion.
If it was meant to be taken together then the sentence would have (or should have) been constructed in a manner different from that in which it was.
If it were to be taken in the manner you indicate then it should have been composed thusly...
Of course there are truths amongst the lies...you just have to learn how to see beyond the lies and the biggest and best lie is the one that tries to tell us that the little boy on the left is someone named 'David' -
A sentence standing alone is to be taken as such...a separate sentence.
Notably, you aren't doing that.
Now me, people have met me in person and in Texas so I have proof through witnesses and photographs taken at several events that I actually live in Texas.
And you, you don't even have a State flag on your home page despite the many years you've been here. All you have is a US flag. Where are you from, if I may ask?
The point of this thread was stated by me very clearly,IMO in my article that opened the thread and I have quoted the last sentence back to you already. Here are the last two sentences again:
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
British Columbia and several other provinces had province-wide universal hospital care by 1950. The federal government jumped in starting in 1957. I don’t know what the policy was for aliens, but I do remember some people talking in the mid 60’s about having got free hospital delivery by going to Canada. (Not just for draft dodgers.)
It’s just a thought.
“So while we have briefly touched on the topic of the thread, what evidence is there that the woman on the left, Valerie Sarruf, gave birth to baby Barry, her son by Malcolm X, according to the Mal-Val narrative?
Where could she and Malcolm X have been together in 1960, the most likely time of the conception. Is there any evidence?”
If Obama is a year older than he now says, and his own web site originally admitted that fact, then he was likely born in 1960 and conceived in 1959. Where would Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been for Obama to have been conceived in 1959? Egypt? Africa?Certainly Malcolm X was there. Wonder if Val was too?
“Malcolm X had visited the United Arab Republic, Sudan, Nigeria, and Ghana in 1959 to make arrangements for a tour by Elijah Muhammad.[124] After Mecca he visited Africa a second time, returned to the United States in late May,[125] then flew to Africa again in July.[126] During these visits he met officials, gave interviews, and spoke on television and radio in Egypt, Ethiopia, Tanganyika, Nigeria, Ghana, Guinea, Sudan, Senegal, Liberia, Algeria, and Morocco.[127] In Cairo, he attended the second meeting of the Organization of African Unity as a representative of the Organization of Afro-American Unity.”
Is there evidence that she took time off to have a baby from her academic/theatrical/movie career?
“February 21, 1965, as MalcolmX prepared to address the Organization of Afro-American Unity in Manhattan's Audubon Ballroom, “ According to Martha Trowbridge, someone who looked like Valerie was present when Malcolm X was shot and also filmed at his funeral. Was that Valerie (the actress), or the nanny (but Martha said she worked on a newspaper)? Confusion reigns.
What would Malcolm X's motive be to have a baby with a Christian white woman and then turn the baby over to communists when in 1960 he was NIO in good standing?
“Malcolm X later said that seeing Muslims of "all colors, from blue-eyed blonds to black-skinned Africans", interacting as equals led him to see Islam as a means by which racial problems could be overcome.”
How and when could the baby have been transferred from Sarruf’s home turf of England at least since 1962 and out to Hawaii? Wouldn't anyone have noticed a missing baby?
Obama seems to have gone to Indonesia at a very young age, quite when he went there and where he was before seems a mystery.
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