Is this the part of my thread that applies to you?
Posted on 11/29/2012 4:36:02 AM PST by IbJensen
For decades, it has been obvious that there are irreconcilable differences between Americans who want to control the lives of others and those who wish to be left alone.
Which is the more peaceful solution: Americans using the brute force of government to beat liberty-minded people into submission or simply parting company? In a marriage, where vows are ignored and broken, divorce is the most peaceful solution. Similarly, our constitutional and human rights have been increasingly violated by a government instituted to protect them. Americans who support constitutional abrogation have no intention of mending their ways.
Since Barack Obama's re-election, hundreds of thousands of petitions for secession have reached the White House. Some people have argued that secession is unconstitutional, but there's absolutely nothing in the Constitution that prohibits it. What stops secession is the prospect of brute force by a mighty federal government, as witnessed by the costly War of 1861. Let's look at the secession issue.
At the 1787 constitutional convention, a proposal was made to allow the federal government to suppress a seceding state. James Madison, the acknowledged father of our Constitution, rejected it, saying: "A Union of the States containing such an ingredient seemed to provide for its own destruction. The use of force against a State would look more like a declaration of war than an infliction of punishment and would probably be considered by the party attacked as a dissolution of all previous compacts by which it might be bound."
On March 2, 1861, after seven states had seceded and two days before Abraham Lincoln's inauguration, Sen. James R. Doolittle of Wisconsin proposed a constitutional amendment that said, "No State or any part thereof, heretofore admitted or hereafter admitted into the Union, shall have the power to withdraw from the jurisdiction of the United States."
Several months earlier, Reps. Daniel E. Sickles of New York, Thomas B. Florence of Pennsylvania and Otis S. Ferry of Connecticut proposed a constitutional amendment to prohibit secession. Here's my no-brainer question: Would there have been any point to offering these amendments if secession were already unconstitutional?
On the eve of the War of 1861, even unionist politicians saw secession as a right of states. Rep. Jacob M. Kunkel of Maryland said, "Any attempt to preserve the Union between the States of this Confederacy by force would be impractical, and destructive of republican liberty."
The Northern Democratic and Republican parties favored allowing the South to secede in peace. Just about every major Northern newspaper editorialized in favor of the South's right to secede. New York Tribune (Feb. 5, 1860): "If tyranny and despotism justified the Revolution of 1776, then we do not see why it would not justify the secession of Five Millions of Southrons from the Federal Union in 1861." Detroit Free Press (Feb. 19, 1861): "An attempt to subjugate the seceded States, even if successful, could produce nothing but evil -- evil unmitigated in character and appalling in content." The New York Times (March 21, 1861): "There is growing sentiment throughout the North in favor of letting the Gulf States go."
There's more evidence seen at the time our Constitution was ratified. The ratification documents of Virginia, New York and Rhode Island explicitly said that they held the right to resume powers delegated, should the federal government become abusive of those powers. The Constitution would have never been ratified if states thought that they could not maintain their sovereignty.
The War of 1861 settled the issue of secession through brute force that cost 600,000 American lives. Americans celebrate Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, but H.L. Mencken correctly evaluated the speech, "It is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense." Lincoln said that the soldiers sacrificed their lives "to the cause of self-determination -- that government of the people, by the people, for the people should not perish from the earth." Mencken says: "It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of people to govern themselves."
So you state that you like to be anonymous about your contributions, yet say you donate multiple times each FReepathon, and whine at me... For advertising that I donate monthly, and ALMOST always use that links thing to the donate section!
I would get rude, but it means nothing to me that you whine like you were beaten (or pinged)!
Hmmmm...
https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/
Actually in NC and your thread I made comments about had nothing to do with those subjects. You don’t even give a courtesy ping when you AGAIN try to link me to it.
I guess that subject is special to you. I posted about your groups claims and gave a lot of Scripture quotes, but of course, as typical when you have nothing to say, be like Obamama and just make things up!
Get a life, FRiend. I am not your problem, but your stalking and lying is certainly a problem. You claim to be Christlike, huh? Me, I’m just covered by His sacrifice... And Yes, I am a Christian, just not a member of the worlds largest cult of personalities!
Reference:
Since you can’t remember things, this is the thread where I posted. it was you that referenced me concerning that other thread on which I had posted NOTHING!
You sure talk about porn and mb a lot...
Excommunicated priest...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2962334/posts
You’re a real piece of work sticking your nose into other peoples affairs and acting like the website’s personal cop.
That article, which I posted, and which you just couldn’t stay off of, was after the first caustic comment time for you to move on, but your prompting the website administrator that I had posted something that had already been posted took the cake!
Is this the part of my thread that applies to you?
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Looks like the Obama ship of state. You captain?
Attempts to smear me fail every time...
Sorry your memory suffers~
I think I’m a few years older than you so, from time to time, my memory does suffer a few lapses. But my IQ is still 141.
Isn’t retirement wonderful, Kayaker, when two old men can screw around posting items of interest to them on the internet? I try not to goof off all day, but do enjoy a few hours in the morning reading and commenting.
Yes these are golden years, but by one way or the other they won’t last too much longer. Either we’ll disappear from view naturally or the POS in the White Hut will pull the plug on the nation and allow only flowery prose to describe his evil.
I don’t want to smear you, Kayaker. If we were ever to meet we might find each other interesting as due to our political beliefs we’re probably very similar, except you live in West (by God) Virginia and I live where many older Americans end up before they die: Florida.
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