Free Republic
Browse · Search
Smoky Backroom
Topics · Post Article

To: A2J
More creationist BS. In another 20 years we'll be able to create life from scratch using amino acids. Where will the cretionist arguments go then?
2 posted on 12/11/2002 7:09:20 AM PST by Soliton
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021 next last
To: Soliton
Man has come a long way in the few thousands years the universe has existed. /sarcasm off
4 posted on 12/11/2002 7:15:54 AM PST by Gary Boldwater
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies ]

To: Soliton
What is the problem? There will be a sentence in the front of the book stating that evolution is a theory, which of course, it is.

If, in another 20 years we'll be able to create life from "scratch" using amino acids, it will STILL have nothing to do with the Theory of evolution.

Also, I would like to see you create life from "scratch" using amino acids by FIRST creating the amino acids, etc.

You sound mightily impressed with yourself. There will come a time when you'll see some objective truth to having a Creator. Whether you discard the notion at that time is your choice, of course.

I'd choose wisely.

10 posted on 12/11/2002 8:48:54 AM PST by ImaGraftedBranch
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies ]

To: Soliton
In another 20 years we'll be able to create life from scratch using amino acids. Where will the cretionist arguments go then?

Noplace. They'll smugly trot out the same old pointless "you-get-your-own-dirt" parable.

The evolutionist version goes like this:

A bunch of scientists figured out all the secrets of life. They said to God, "We don't need you anymore. We can do all of this ourselves."

And God said, "                        ."

So the men said, "You want to see us to make a man out of dirt? We can do it, you know."

God said, "                        ."

The men said, "Hello, is anybody there?"

And God said, "                        ."

Eventually one of the scientists suggested they stop wasting their time, and they went back to their labs to get some work done.

17 posted on 12/11/2002 9:31:59 AM PST by Physicist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies ]

To: Soliton
More creationist BS. In another 20 years we'll be able to create life from scratch using amino acids. Where will the cretionist arguments go then?

In other words in 20 years evolutionists will prove that it takes intelligence to create life. I'll buy that.

36 posted on 12/11/2002 10:46:46 AM PST by far sider
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies ]

To: Soliton
"In another 20 years we'll be able to create life from scratch using amino acids."

LOL Is your name Ms. Cleo?

Don't bet the farm on this 'prophecy' of yours.

47 posted on 12/11/2002 11:42:04 AM PST by MEGoody
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies ]

To: Soliton
In another 20 years we'll be able to create life from scratch using amino acids.

Where will you go when they don't? You must expect the laws of chemistry to change in 20 years. Another "expert" in chemistry said it would be done in 50 years. You're a little more optimistic on the change.

99 posted on 12/11/2002 7:41:42 PM PST by AndrewC
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies ]

To: Soliton
In another 20 years we'll be able to create life from scratch using amino acids.

They said the same thing 20 years ago.

102 posted on 12/11/2002 7:57:01 PM PST by Tribune7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies ]

To: Soliton
"More creationist BS. In another 20 years we'll be able to create life from scratch using amino acids. Where will the cretionist arguments go then?"

And of course you prefer to continue the old BS about the 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 odds of earth spawning life randomly.

And LOL -- Who do think you are -- Houdini?? Until you can pull out of your hat one iota of "life" out of "scratch," your happy little fantasy remains...just that.

107 posted on 12/11/2002 8:23:26 PM PST by F16Fighter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies ]

To: Soliton
More creationist BS. In another 20 years we'll be able to create life from scratch using amino acids. Where will the cretionist arguments go then?

So, you're saying in 20 years, intelligence will design life using amino acids? Which creationist argument is affected by that?

On the other hand, demonstrating random, spontaneous, undirected, self-assembly of amino acids under prehistoric environmental conditions, and from there nucleic acids and finally life... now, THAT may have an impact on the creationist arguments...

115 posted on 12/11/2002 8:36:29 PM PST by apologist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies ]

To: Soliton
In another 20 years we'll be able to create life from scratch using amino acids.

I doubt it. I'm taking a break from from about 300 pages of cell notes for a test in the morning. If science is even able to reporduce a single signaling cascade in 20 years I'll be impressed. Life is too complex for it to ever be made in a lab at this time, let alone 20 years. Give humans a 1000 years and maybe . . .

117 posted on 12/11/2002 8:37:50 PM PST by realpatriot71
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies ]

To: Soliton
More creationist BS. In another 20 years we'll be able to create life from scratch using amino acids. Where will the cretionist arguments go then?

Right where they have always been. That life requires a CREATOR.

149 posted on 12/11/2002 10:11:00 PM PST by GSHastings
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies ]

To: Soliton
By then there will be proof of deevolution.

Man isn't coming from the apes,
he is going to them!
274 posted on 12/13/2002 2:56:21 PM PST by DannyTN
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies ]

To: Soliton
prove that it happened outside the lab.
739 posted on 12/17/2002 8:23:19 PM PST by rwfromkansas
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies ]

To: Soliton
"More creationist BS. In another 20 years we'll be able to create life from scratch using amino acids. Where will the cretionist arguments go then?"


Ohhh, you said create life....
1,068 posted on 12/26/2002 7:10:19 PM PST by Gamecock
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies ]

To: Soliton
In another 20 years we'll be able to create life from scratch using amino acids.

What does that have to do with the "Theory of Evolution" ? Study evolution for yourself instead of believing the endroctrination you have been taught by some well meaning professor. Make your own decisions. I think you would find the "Clonaid people" believing that Aliens created life on earth have it closer than evolution by means of macro-evolution. If it would not be for so many people falling for this hoax, it would be laughable. Evolution fails some very basic laws of science.

For example, it defies the Law of Biogenesis, & the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
1,105 posted on 12/27/2002 1:12:25 PM PST by usastandsunited
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies ]

To: Soliton
"More creationist BS. In another 20 years we'll be able to create life from scratch using amino acids. Where will the cretionist arguments go then?"

Your statement is the "BS", "Horse Pucky". Support your "truth" why don't you? You can't that's why you make statements without back-up. Where did you get that information from? Name your source.
1,530 posted on 12/30/2002 6:09:55 PM PST by webber
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies ]

To: Soliton
And exactly which amino acids would they be O'Soliton? And what exactly would they do? I'm not sure where you generate the science fiction you spew, but as a trained biologist I can only say that your imagination has clearly run away with you.(Please no Miller-Urey!)

While it appears there is some scientific validity to micro-evolution within species over great periods of time, there is nothing in the scientific literature that clearly substantiates macro-evolution. What good is a billion year process of random mutations, translocations, and deletions if the vast majority of these molecular changes are detrimental to the host? Even if the mutation had no immediate negative or positive effect upon a chemical reaction, what good is it if one can only "hope" that it is to be followed by umpteen further random molecular changes which "may" ultimately confer a minicule advantage to the cell???

Now that's what I call Positive Thinking. If I just stand here in the Mohave Desert with my thumb out eventually a 57 mint Chevy with 4 (count'em) 4 beautiful naked blond UCLA coeds with a case of ice-cold beer will give me a ride and offer to have my children..........ok, it might happen........! But, I doubt it!

The reason is quite simple. Mutations occur on a molecular scale. The vast majority of molecular mutations (that is to say the end effect they may have upon an individual cell) are usually seen as negative negative and provide no distinct advantage to the cell or cellular process(es) it affects.

The clotting process of blood is an extremely complicated cascade of proteins and enzymatic relationships. One strains to imagine the plethora of random mutations that would have had to have occurred fortuitously to produce such a complicated pathway...especially since any random mutation that did not immediately confer a molecular or cellular advantage upon its host would be deleted.

What is the advantage of a random mutation that will yet require 10 or 20 future random mutations to complete what is supposed to be a pathway of such complication that it took modern science decades to unlock the secrets of blood clotting?

Now if you know of macro-events where say a land mammal, in a sudden and unexplained generational change altered its family or order, I'm sure we'd all love to hear about it.

It is much easier to see intelligent design in the complexity of life around us than it is to believe that Darwin's theory of evolution clearly, definitively, finally, and totally provides an unambiguous answer to where we came from.

So from a person such as yourself who has firmly predicted the formation of "life" from amino acids within the next 20 years, it comes as no surprise that you would hold Darwin up as your saviour. Naturally, you are entitled to your opinion, as were many of the so-called "great thinkers" of the past who were ultimately shown to be either incorrect or charlatans.

Since you seem extremely knowledgeable re: "life" perhaps you could enlighten us as to exactly what "life" is? What type of "force" is it? How did it begin, how does it begin, how does it end, how is it created, by whom was it created, how does one analyze it, bottle it, re-create it, define it, capture it??? I, for one, would love to hear your exposition!

2,324 posted on 01/02/2003 7:30:13 PM PST by Doc Savage
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies ]

To: Soliton
Forget about life, let us just make...an orange. that should be simple enough. A tree can do it, afterall. We already know all about DNA and Amino Acids. Surely it can't be all that hard. Forget about an orange, let's just make a carrot, or a grass seed that works. Think about it, we really are not as smart as we pretend to be.
2,866 posted on 01/05/2003 6:04:20 AM PST by tictek
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies ]

To: Soliton
More creationist BS. In another 20 years we'll be able to create life from scratch using amino acids. Where will the cretionist arguments go then?

Your time on Earth is but a vapor. Your body will die and you will meet your maker.

3,260 posted on 01/06/2003 1:20:56 PM PST by SwordofTruth
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies ]

To: Soliton
I dont know but I'm sure an endless debate will follow .
6,744 posted on 03/08/2003 7:43:47 PM PST by Ben Bolt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021 next last

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Smoky Backroom
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson