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RUMSFELD UNDER FIRE(Wesley Clark has accused Rumsfeld of putting troops at risk )
SKY NEWS ^ | 03/26/2003 | SKYNEWS

Posted on 03/26/2003 8:08:17 PM PST by KQQL

The former supreme allied commander of Nato has accused US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld of putting allied troops at risk through poor planning.

Wesley Clark said Mr Rumsfeld's insistence on a smaller invasion force had left troops vulnerable and the 300-mile oil supply line between Kuwait and Basra open to guerilla attack.

Troops had been tied up in "messy fighting" around Nasiriyah and Baghdad, he said, leading to "logistics problems".

He added that hopes of a quick victory spurred by a popular revolt against Saddam had been dashed.

"The simple fact is that the liberation didn't quite occur. They didn't rise up."

Other war veterans have also spoken out against the early stages of war planning.

Miscalculations

Ralph Peters, a military scientist and former Army officer, wrote in the Washington Post that a coalition victory would be achieved "despite serious strategic miscalculations by the office of the Defence Secretary".

The "shock and awe" strategy of aerial bombardment had failed to shatter the will of Saddam's regime, he said, and if anything had encouraged greater resistance.

"It delayed essential attacks on Iraq's military capabilities," said Mr Peters. "This encouraged at least some Iraqis in uniform to believe they had a chance to fight and win.

"Now our forces advancing on Baghdad face the possibility of more serious combat than would otherwise have been the case."

Coalition commander General Tommy Franks's draft invasion plan proposed using four or five heavy divisions moving slowly towards Baghdad.

New warfare

Mr Rumsfeld is said to have rejected this, complaining that it was too similar to the strategy used in the 1991 Gulf War. Instead he insisted on a smaller, lighter force relying heavily on special forces and air power.

Retired US Army General Barry McCaffrey, commander of the 24th Infantry Division 12 years ago, said Mr Rumsfeld had ignored warnings that he was underestimating the number of troops needed.

"I think he thought these were generals with feet planted in World War Two who didn't understand the new way of warfare," he said.

"If the Iraqis actually fight it's going to be brutal, dangerous work and we could take a couple to 3,000 casualties."

Mr Rumsfeld insisted his strategy was working.

"It's a good plan everybody agrees to, and it is a plan that in four and a half or five days has moved ground forces to within a short distance of Baghdad."


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To: nopardons
Just expose who they are touting as experts and let them have all the rope they need.
241 posted on 03/26/2003 10:46:01 PM PST by Grampa Dave ("Those who are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind!")
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To: TLBSHOW
You think the Soviet Union hasn't disbanned?

Well, you just confirmed how ignorant of the world you really are.
242 posted on 03/26/2003 10:46:15 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Grampa Dave
The concern from my vantage point Gramps is the same reality that plays out in Israel.....Israels neighbours are treacherous,they allow all manner of assets and weapons to cross their borders in the 24hr machination of destroying the Jewish state.

I look at Iraq and her neighbours and just wince....their all treacherous.

Some situations become multi-layered for those who dream of toppling govs...and one gov in the region is very vulnerable..that being Jordan.

Yassir..the Fatah,,,Hamas[Palestinanian version of Hizbullah],Islamic Jihad..etc...want to put the young King in a pine box if they can.
Now he is in the way of the "Peoples" comming to free the besieged Iraqi's.

Even if the Iraqi's settle into a quasi relationship with a gov set in place by the U.S....the other Islamic nations surrounding Iraq will have hordes marching in their streets chanting "America has bewitched the Iraqi's...the Americans are making the Iraqi's dogs just like the Zionist want"..type thing.

So like Vietnam...insergents will slip into Iraq...and do what terrorists do..and then hunkerdown after to tell stories after their little terror ops...trying to win the confused Iraqi's back to pure Islam.

The other side of this nightmare is that a certain percentage of Iraqi's actually want the U.S. to go...and here you have a Vietnam repeat.

Will Iran be content to leave Iraq alone?

Can Jordan stop the pyscho terror orgs from the Palestinian realms from entering Iraq?

Will Syria reign in Hizbullah ,Al Qeda and other terror orgs in south Lebanon?

Time will tell...

243 posted on 03/26/2003 10:46:57 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: TLBSHOW
Stanislav Lunev.
244 posted on 03/26/2003 10:47:36 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Howlin
Ohmygawd, did HE really say that? (I don't know why I'm so floored, but this is another one of many absurdities.)
245 posted on 03/26/2003 10:47:58 PM PST by Carolinamom
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To: Carolinamom
Oh, yes, he did.
246 posted on 03/26/2003 10:49:11 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Carolinamom
Think I should risk it and ask him if he still believes Bush is a traitor?
247 posted on 03/26/2003 10:49:42 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Light Speed
Yes, the parallels between Israel and Iraq are apparent.

It's a very, very bold thing we do--something no one, not 41 or 42, no one would have thought, let alone do.

It's epic and fraught with danger.

But the thought of freedom is a mustard seed.

248 posted on 03/26/2003 10:50:32 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: carl in alaska
Good points all. However I disagree that it is to our advantage to prolong the conflict outside of Baghdad. The supply challenge to sustain heavy forces near Baghdad is tremendous, and those lines are extemely vulnerable. Those are the military realities.
249 posted on 03/26/2003 10:50:33 PM PST by info_scout
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To: PhilDragoo
Something like that. I see there is no answer. YET!

I will call you soon about that matter we talked about last week!

250 posted on 03/26/2003 10:50:34 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Howlin
Go for it.
251 posted on 03/26/2003 10:50:38 PM PST by Carolinamom
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To: info_scout
It's a good thing that there wasn't any T.V. reporting during WW I and WW II ; elsewise, YOU and your ilk, would have been moaning and grouning about " our debacles " and defeats, second guessing the commands ( based on absolutely NO expertise at all ! ), within the first week.

The Vietnam War was REALLY the first televised war and because of T.V., it was people like YOU , who turned against this country ... oh and also because of the KGB, our own home grown COMMIES ( RED DIAPER BABIES and their parents and other fellow travellors ), aided and abbetted by you and dyour ilk, who imagine that they posess the ability to " understand " what's going on, when they don't.

252 posted on 03/26/2003 10:50:46 PM PST by nopardons
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To: rollin
Clark's own people told him that the "massacre" was phony. He (or was it Clinton above him?) is the one who kept a lid on the fake job.... starting the war to stop a massacre that never occurred ... so he could retire, write his memoirs, and maybe run for office.
253 posted on 03/26/2003 10:51:29 PM PST by Check6
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To: TLBSHOW
A pretty major consolidation, don't ya think? :-)

They think and act as they did before, but reality bites!

They will be in the european union within 10-15 years. It is they who want to be a super power to challenge the U.S.

254 posted on 03/26/2003 10:51:41 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Howlin
Oh go on and ask. You know you want to. Maybe he is gone by now. That will make it more fun.
255 posted on 03/26/2003 10:51:48 PM PST by chnsmok
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To: TLBSHOW
Thanks for that ( he always gives these speeches when I'm fast asleep ! ) and for the link.

Unlike Clinto and LBJ, President Bush is making sure that our brave military has and shall have all they need to win this. That's wonderful ! :-)

256 posted on 03/26/2003 10:52:54 PM PST by nopardons
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To: aruanan
DITTOS
257 posted on 03/26/2003 10:53:10 PM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: Howlin
You asked a question I answered it. Yes Russia faked it. But GOOD!

258 posted on 03/26/2003 10:53:23 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
what did Rummy say?
259 posted on 03/26/2003 10:53:59 PM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: Light Speed
So in ten years we have to repeat the process. There will be problems and bad people forever on this planet.

We can't allow the Opecker Islamofacists to finance terrorism around the world and hold us in constant terror.

The Arabs for most parts hate each other. If they want to kill each other of and not hurt other innocents, so be it.
260 posted on 03/26/2003 10:55:00 PM PST by Grampa Dave ("Those who are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind!")
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