Posted on 04/01/2003 8:12:41 AM PST by PatrickHenry
This vanity thread was inspired by a provocative question that Junior directed to a creationist: "Biblical prophesies notwithstanding, what biological predictions does creationism make?" The creationist didn't respond, but I did, as follows:
I can think of a few creationist predictions. Because -- according to creationism -- all species were specially created at virtually the same time, and did not gradually evolve from earlier forms:
1. There should be no transitional species.I shall call these The Five Failed Predictions of Creationism.
2. There are most certainly no pre-human species.
3. There should be no evidence, whether in fossils or DNA, showing the chronological evolution of life.
4. There must surely be at least one species, and probably several, having no genetic similarities with any other life on earth.
5. The fossil record must show all kinds of species (such as dinosaurs and humans) living together at the same time.
In fairness to the creationists, although the first three have already been disproved (for example: #1 -- Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ, #2 -- Human Ancestors, more #2 -- Comparison of all skulls, #3 -- Tree of Life Project ), the last two (#4 and #5) can't yet be considered to be totally failed predictions. All we can do is point out that the predicted evidence has not yet been discovered. Given the lack of actual research being conducted by creationists, it is unlikely to be discovered.
Jr.,
Interesting that now alone do you care as to the salvatory requirements. The exclusionary nature of your response speaks for itself. The man above states that all truth will be revealed post humously (who would/could argue that?) Ok, Ok, the inference was that you were hellbound, but was it not John (JC's best friend) who blatanly stated "in the beginning was the word...and the word became flesh and dwelt among us."? So JC's pre-existence should be acknowledged. Um, for clarification purposes, are you saying you are Christian (ie: one who believes in the sacrificial, penal, atonement of Christ on the cross, and his subsequent resurrection?)???(y/n please)
1 more Q.: When God made man, he is said to have created him from mud---When Jesus healed the (one of many) blind man, he spit into dirt (made mud) and spread it on the man's eyes (definitely a "creative" act.) Was this not a statement of his earlier pre-existence?
Long about the second page, there's a link to July 2002 issue of Scientific American and their
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?colID=1&articleID=000D4FEC-7D5B-1D07-8E49809EC588EEDF
15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense
One question that's really troubling me, is: IF there is a common ancestor of modern apes and humans, then WHERE is the fossil record from the common ancestor to the modern ape?
Pardon my HTML. It's been a while...
Opening page known transitions and 1st page of the Introduction, assumed to be closely related.
"Assumed knowledge" is not "known facts"...
I stopped there. There's no point in following their logic; they're without hope.
The head of your church accepts a lot of stuff that isn't true... things like, he's head of the church.
Gee, don't let your anti-Catholic bias show, or anything.
Funny, I started reading the Bible and found out all that I was taught by the RCC; wasn't true.
Funny, I read the Bible from cover to cover twice (and several of the books individually several more times), and I don't find Catholicism to be in contradiction. What you meant was your personal interpretation of Scripture and that of the Church did not mesh.
Matt 23:9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
and every priest is father so-and-so, and some of them are a real so-and-so.
So you called your dad by his first name, I take it? Ever thought it was talking about putting other gods before God? No one mistakes a priest for God -- except for the average Protestant trying to score points.
I'm an above-average Protestant, as I know of that which I'm protesting.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. [1Jo 1:9]
Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. [Jam 5:16]
Forgive was a wrong word, absolution was the word I should have used.
BTW, how many "hail-marys" did your last sin cost ya? how many first Fridays? how many first Saturdays? how many rosaries?
NO, I don't really want to know. Think about it, though.
None. Father Joe is pretty creative in his penances. I was enjoined to watch how I conducted myself daily.
Man, you must've ceased being a Catholic around grade school. As you get older the penances become more adult-like.
maybe fr. joe is a progressive?
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