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The Five Failed Predictions of Creationism
Crevo thread: Professor Dumped Over Evolution Beliefs ^ | 24 March 2003 | PatrickHenry

Posted on 04/01/2003 8:12:41 AM PST by PatrickHenry

This vanity thread was inspired by a provocative question that Junior directed to a creationist: "Biblical prophesies notwithstanding, what biological predictions does creationism make?" The creationist didn't respond, but I did, as follows:

I can think of a few creationist predictions. Because -- according to creationism -- all species were specially created at virtually the same time, and did not gradually evolve from earlier forms:

1. There should be no transitional species.
2. There are most certainly no pre-human species.
3. There should be no evidence, whether in fossils or DNA, showing the chronological evolution of life.
4. There must surely be at least one species, and probably several, having no genetic similarities with any other life on earth.
5. The fossil record must show all kinds of species (such as dinosaurs and humans) living together at the same time.
I shall call these The Five Failed Predictions of Creationism.

In fairness to the creationists, although the first three have already been disproved (for example: #1 -- Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ, #2 -- Human Ancestors, more #2 -- Comparison of all skulls, #3 -- Tree of Life Project ), the last two (#4 and #5) can't yet be considered to be totally failed predictions. All we can do is point out that the predicted evidence has not yet been discovered. Given the lack of actual research being conducted by creationists, it is unlikely to be discovered.


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To: postmodernism_kills
Before you can legitimately claim anything in the "Five Failed Predictions", you have to first explain and demonstrate how dead chemicals became the first living organism in violation of elementary biological law, ie-that life comes from life, and not from non-life.

Evolution does not begin until life has already begun; thus the theory of evolution does not address the ultimate origin of life, nor does it need to. Life's origin is an interesting problem, to be sure, but the theory of evolution does not require its solution.

The simple fact is that "evolution" is not empirical science at all, failing to meet any criteria for empirical science, but is in reality a "religion" of pure conjecture based in blind faith.

I see that you are new to these threads. This point of yours has been addressed countless times. For example:
The Scientific Case for the Theory of Common Descent with Gradual Modification.
Is Evolution Science?

62 posted on 04/09/2003 1:54:43 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: postmodernism_kills

pmk ...

based in blind faith.

fC ...

based in blind hate // ignorance (( wanks )) .

63 posted on 04/09/2003 3:16:57 PM PDT by f.Christian (( who you gonna call ... 1 800 orc // evo bstr ))
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To: postmodernism_kills
Wanks is an English word for playing with him self ... going mad // blind !
66 posted on 04/09/2003 3:24:33 PM PDT by f.Christian (( who you gonna call ... 1 800 orc // evo bstr ))
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To: postmodernism_kills
Sorry, but there is no reason for me to continue with such an intellectually dishonest illogic such as those copouts.

I agree. A person of your intellectual standing should not engage in discourse with me.

67 posted on 04/09/2003 4:38:41 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: PatrickHenry
You've gotta admit, it's much easier to beat the stuffing out of a version of evolution that you get to invent. Don't rob people of their needed crutches...


"How about a little fire, strawman?"

68 posted on 04/09/2003 6:39:42 PM PDT by general_re (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets.)
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To: exnavy
Someday, when you stand before God, you will know the truth.

Acceptance of a literal interpretation of Genesis is not a prerequisite for salvation.

69 posted on 04/10/2003 2:12:07 AM PDT by Junior (Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes.)
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To: Junior
Thanks for clearing that up.
70 posted on 04/10/2003 2:17:37 AM PDT by exnavy
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To: postmodernism_kills; PatrickHenry
That's a copout and intellectually dishonest at best. You cannot have "evilution" unless you first have "life", and for the "time" element of gradualism to be advanced one has to begin in the beginning, but I'm glad you agree that "evolution" is mere conjecture.

The Theory of Evolution no more needs to account for the origin of life than Meterology needs to account for the origin of water. Both work regardless of the actual mechanism of origin. Or, to put it another way, the Theory of Evolution is not contingent upon the mechanism by which life originated; it works regardless of what the actual mechanism is.

71 posted on 04/10/2003 8:45:36 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: longshadow
Copout!
</flaming idiot mode>
72 posted on 04/10/2003 11:47:32 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: longshadow
This sounds like a vacuum ...

more like an intellectual black out -- coma -- epilepsy !

The Theory of Evolution no more needs to account for the origin of life than Meterology needs to account for the origin of water.

Meterologist weather reporting and forecasting w/o knowledge of the earth revolving on an axis around the sun ... swamp gas (( evolution ))!

Both work regardless of the actual mechanism of origin.

Assteroids work too -- uncharterable // nonsense ... babble // gas science !

the Theory of Evolution is not contingent upon the mechanism by which life originated; it works regardless of what the actual mechanism is.

Evo mythology

73 posted on 04/10/2003 2:01:59 PM PDT by f.Christian (( who you gonna call ... 1 800 orc // evo bstr ))
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To: Junior
Acceptance of a literal interpretation of Genesis is not a prerequisite for salvation.

Starting that nonsense again? We already now that you in particular and most of your friends are atheists. Your statement is an absolute lie specifically designed to lead people out of their religion.

74 posted on 04/10/2003 9:13:48 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: postmodernism_kills
You cannot have "evilution" unless you first have "life",

Very true. If life was made by God, then evolution is totally ludicrous. Evolution is an atheistic/materialist philosophy specifically designed to attack religion. That is why the evolutionists fight so hard and insult so much, it is their faith that is being attacked. As their posts show, they know beans about science.

75 posted on 04/10/2003 9:17:50 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: PatrickHenry
Copout!

Yup, all you do is copout. I answered your questions, and now you ignore the answers. You are not here to discuss anything, just to insult.

76 posted on 04/10/2003 9:19:18 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: gore3000
To borrow a phrase from your book: You are a liar and a slimer. You are not the arbiter of who is, or is not a good Christian. Your consistently-inaccurate statements on religion and science and the errant conclusions you draw from your faulty premeses are clearly indicative to lurkers of the reasons most rational people ignore you.
77 posted on 04/11/2003 4:10:06 AM PDT by Junior (Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes.)
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To: Junior
You are not the arbiter of who is, or is not a good Christian.

No, I am not the arbiter, you are. Your own words, your constant attacks on Christians show your atheism. Your lack of belief in anything Christian shows you to be a total phony. We have been through this before and you have shown very well that you prefer Darwin to Christ.

78 posted on 04/11/2003 4:13:12 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: gore3000
You are an idiot. Attacks on creationism do not equate to attacks on Christians. That you cannot tell the difference between the two indicates a complete lack of mature reasoning abilities. Either grow up and get a clue or be relegated to the virtual ignore list of everyone who can perceive such differences.
79 posted on 04/11/2003 4:16:45 AM PDT by Junior (Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes.)
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To: Junior
Attacks on creationism do not equate to attacks on Christians.

Ah, but that's precisely what he has been claiming. Over and over, he says that Christianity is creationism. Were that even remotely true, Christianity would be the most foolish and discredited religion on earth. Fortunately, that is not the case; but he is the most foolish and discredited poster in these threads.

80 posted on 04/11/2003 4:28:23 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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