Recent job ad: H1 transfers (Taking American Jobs)

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[1stFreedom]

Folks,

I've been looking for a job for weeks without success. While searching on Dice.com, I found an ad targeting anyone with an H1 visa to transfer!

Whoever says workers on visas don't take jobs from Americans is smoking crack.

Foreign workers send money "home" thereby taking money out of the US economy. They take both old and new jobs away from Citizens. This might be fine during times of economic boom, but it's a shame during times like now.

Call and write your representatives in Congress asking them to, on an emergency basis, deny ALL H1 and L1 visas and related transfers. They may give you the excuse that they don't want to have the jobs shipped overseas, but don't accept that excuse. Ask them to impose heavy tarrifs or taxes on corporations that relocate thier IT work.

Tons of IT people have been out of work for some time now, and it's reached a boiling point.

I hate to say it, but I think we'll have more success with the Dems then the Pubbies.

(One thing the Pubbies are not considering is that many IT professionals are in fact incorporated and are small businesses.)

DICE Search results:

Title: H1 transfers Skills: JAVA, J2EE, EJB, oracle, DB2, SQL Server, Seibel, .net, VB, ASP, peoplesoft, CRM, Business analyst, 21 cfr PART 11, QA testers

Date: 4-7-2003 Location: Edison, NJ Area code: 732

Tax term: FULLTIME Pay rate: DOE Length: permanent

Position ID: AS202 Dice ID: 10108743

Job description: We are looking for a qualified candidates who are looking to transfer their H1. The candidates will be interviewed in their respective fields by experts and if selected will be considered for further training conducted in house. Salary will be based on skills. Local candidates preferred but is not a limitation. Good communication skills required.

Requirements: JAVA, J2EE, EJB, oracle, DB2, SQL Server, Seibel, .net, VB, ASP, peoplesoft, CRM, Business analyst, 21 cfr PART 11, QA testers Travel required: none Telecommute: no

[BrooklynGOP]

Whether the handout comes from Government handing out a check or from the Government forbidding domestic corporations to hire foreigners, the end results are both the same.

Well, perhaps we should start a boycott then. If they are not going to pay americans salaries, then why should americans pay for their products? Let them sell it in India for a fraction.

[clamper1797]

The impetus will be when enough Americans lose their jobs to UNWELCOME foreigners and get fed up with it.

[cousin01]

These jobs require no higher skills than research laboratory technicians. The market priced these (IT) jobs way out of proportion to the necessaary skills and H1B visas were aauthorized to take up some of the shortages. Market forces are now leveling things out. I agree that the HIB and L1 programs should be pared WAY back, but IT folks have to realize that what they do is just not worth what they came to think it was in the boom days!

[1stFreedom]

I agree that IT salaries are probably in the correct range now. That's not the issue.

[BrooklynGOP]

Of course, it's like being hired for a job when no one else applied. You didn't earn it.

Interesting. So what are you going to do when they flood US foreigners who do your job for a fraction? You and your wife might be used to owning a car each and living in a house. They might be used to living 4 per room and having no car. You'll have to drop your standards as well, we'll loose the middle class and will become 3rd world.

[cousin01]

"because our schools are not preparing our students adequately so they can do these jobs"

While they (microSoft) no doubt take advantage of the chpaer labor market, it's hard to refute the contention that our schools are incapable of training relevant skills.

[clamper1797]

Capitalism is not ifallable (Damned typos)

He is NOT talking Capitalism. He strikes me as the type who would import slave labor from China (if he could get away with it) to save a buck. Screwing fellow Americans by importing slave or near slave labor is NOT Capitalism. And where you used the word "idiot" in your post ... you ARE right on in your assessment.

[MineralMan]

"The impetus will be when enough Americans lose their jobs to UNWELCOME foreigners and get fed up with it."

That's naive, I think. The H1B program is very popular with corporations, since it helps their bottom line. What makes you think that any adminstration really gives a good goshdarn about anyone other than the corporations? Any administration.

Sorry, but that's reality.

[Viva Le Dissention]

I'm asking that the Govt rescind the policy that hurts it's own citizens.

Except you want me to subsidize your labor market. Tell me how that helps me? Worse, your policy HURTS me. Not only am I forced to subsidize you because you want a handout, the fewer people in the market (as a result of the fewer immigrants) makes for smaller possibilities for division of labor.

I want a level playing field.

Employers have no duty to provide a level playing field--you said you yourself when you said you opposed "equal opportunity laws." They do nothing except create a chimera of a "level playing field," which you say you advocate! You cannot rationally think that businesses have the right to discriminate against blacks if they so choose, but NOT against Americans? It's absurd! If a business has total sovereignty over its workforce, as it SHOULD, then it can discriminate against anyone it pleases, including Americans.

Capitalism is not ifallable.

Capitalism does not work because it is infallible, it is infallible because it works.

believes in conservative principles

This is exactly what I've been saying: you don't believe in conservative principles. You are a socialist. You expect government to run businesses. You either believe that businesses are sovereign entities or they are not. There is no gray. I am a Capitalist. I believe companies are sovereign and should not tolerate one iota of government interference with their practice. If such practice includes only hiring foreign workers, then that is the practice the business so chooses to follow. Its wisdom will be judged by the market.

[1stFreedom]

>> (Damned typos)

LOL. Using a remote keyboard which drops a keystroke once in a while. Also rushing to post didn't help!

[clamper1797]

I can only hope ... the alternatives are not attractive and could be a signal of the ending of our republuc

[Viva Le Dissention]

Well, perhaps we should start a boycott then. If they are not going to pay americans salaries, then why should americans pay for their products? Let them sell it in India for a fraction.

A rational, free market solution to what you perceive to be a problem. I wish you the best.

[BrooklynGOP]

No wonder people come here and live 10-20-30 years without ever bothering to apply for a citizenship. What's the point?

[dirtboy]

I believe companies are sovereign and should not tolerate one iota of government interference with their practice.

The companies WENT to the government to create this program in the first place. That is the flaw in your logic. And they created a program where the people brought over are basically indentured to a company - changing jobs resets the entire H1-B process.

You need to read less Ayn Rand and more newspapers and articles about what is actually going on.

[MineralMan]

"I can only hope ... the alternatives are not attractive and could be a signal of the ending of our republuc"

Well, there's one solution: Become an entrepreneur yourself. That's what I did, starting slowly and building slowly. I could see my previous source of income beginning to slip and began looking for alternatives. By the time there was no more work in my former occupation, I had established a replacement by going into business for myself.

Of course, I didn't actually work for the people who paid me. I've been a freelance since 1970. I've just eliminated the middleman by not contracting with anyone any longer. Now I'm truly on my own, and it's a lot more satisfying, if a little less rewarding financially. But, the business keeps growing each year, so I suppose I'll catch up in another year or two.

I'm not doing what I once did, but I have changed professions half a dozen times since 1970...moving to suit the market and the economy.

I will say this, however: I used to hire people. I don't any longer. I do better on my own, with a scaled-down business model I can control

IT guys have skills. Everyone uses computers. Seems to me there's plenty of room out there for entrepreneurs. It's a lot more work, but it's also more rewarding, IMO.

[PuNcH]

Capitalism does not work because it is infallible, it is infallible because it works.

Nope. Capitalism doesnt work without government. In a civilized society we cant have murder, slavery and rape all on the list of things you can purchase. And all of those things would be the norm if left to only capitalism.

Your arguments ignore our society and it's limited govt. You dont believe in any labor restrictions? That is a silly argument and yet it is your foundation.

[clamper1797]

No wonder people come here and live 10-20-30 years without ever bothering to apply for a citizenship. What's the point?

That my friend is the point. Granted as some posters say ... the gubmint does NOT owe us a job BUT on the other hand we as Americans have EVERY right to demand that the gubmint keep foreigners out of OUR country.

If a company wants to move to a third world country ... more power to them ... BUT we as Americans have EVERY right to keep 3rd world invaders workers out of OUR country.

[Viva Le Dissention]

A free market utopia has never even been attempted. Our early government was close, but even the Founders were wary of a total, laissez-faire capitalism. I don't fault them, however--it was a relatively new idea at the time, and they did pretty good with what they had; we got about 75% there. I think that's about as close as we've got, though.

As a side note, I think that you're wrong about the free market not working in today's world. Hong Kong, which has a much "freer" (if that's a word) market than the United States, and it has been one of the leading economic producers of the past 50 years. Economies thrive in a free market because when everyone looks out for themselves, everyone wins. Today's "functionalist" argument (which, incidentally, is also used to justify the unconstitutional 4th branch of government--agency states) is simply new age socialism in a different form. Deep down, people fear walking life's tightrope without a net, and they want government to be there for them if they ever fall.

I do agree with you, however, that communities or "tribes" are a sociological necessity, and I don't think that capitalism precludes the existence of such things. Family or community is simply another value--a commodity like anything else. It happens like this even in today's quasi-socialist economy. If I have a family, I make a value decision when I go to work: do I work 80 hours a week to earn more money for my family, or do I work 40 hours a week and spend more time with my family? It is a value, nothing more, nothing less--and values, like anything else, can be bargained in the capitalist system.

[BrooklynGOP]

As a foreign born, naturalized citizen - I agree 100%.