Recent job ad: H1 transfers (Taking American Jobs)

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[1stFreedom]

Folks,

I've been looking for a job for weeks without success. While searching on Dice.com, I found an ad targeting anyone with an H1 visa to transfer!

Whoever says workers on visas don't take jobs from Americans is smoking crack.

Foreign workers send money "home" thereby taking money out of the US economy. They take both old and new jobs away from Citizens. This might be fine during times of economic boom, but it's a shame during times like now.

Call and write your representatives in Congress asking them to, on an emergency basis, deny ALL H1 and L1 visas and related transfers. They may give you the excuse that they don't want to have the jobs shipped overseas, but don't accept that excuse. Ask them to impose heavy tarrifs or taxes on corporations that relocate thier IT work.

Tons of IT people have been out of work for some time now, and it's reached a boiling point.

I hate to say it, but I think we'll have more success with the Dems then the Pubbies.

(One thing the Pubbies are not considering is that many IT professionals are in fact incorporated and are small businesses.)

DICE Search results:

Title: H1 transfers Skills: JAVA, J2EE, EJB, oracle, DB2, SQL Server, Seibel, .net, VB, ASP, peoplesoft, CRM, Business analyst, 21 cfr PART 11, QA testers

Date: 4-7-2003 Location: Edison, NJ Area code: 732

Tax term: FULLTIME Pay rate: DOE Length: permanent

Position ID: AS202 Dice ID: 10108743

Job description: We are looking for a qualified candidates who are looking to transfer their H1. The candidates will be interviewed in their respective fields by experts and if selected will be considered for further training conducted in house. Salary will be based on skills. Local candidates preferred but is not a limitation. Good communication skills required.

Requirements: JAVA, J2EE, EJB, oracle, DB2, SQL Server, Seibel, .net, VB, ASP, peoplesoft, CRM, Business analyst, 21 cfr PART 11, QA testers Travel required: none Telecommute: no

[dfwgator]

I attend various interest group meetings around town, and I notice that the vast majority of attendees are over 40, and most of them still have jobs, of course they are almost exclusively contractors. I don't understand why age would be a factor in hiring a contractor if the company doesn't have to worry about the contractor's benefits.

[Mini-14]

H-1B "IS" government intervention. I repeat H-1B "IS" government intervention.

[bvw]

Ooops! One ofe the fundamental roles of any government is to deal with matters of immigration and trade with foreign nations.

*OUR* US Constitution makes this clear. Artilce I, Section 8 defines the enumerated powers of the Federal Government chartered by We, the People. It says: "The Congress shall have power to ... regulate commerce with foreign nations ... to establish a uniform rule of naturalization"

WE have not rescinded that power, and it is important to maintain it, especially now. The import of cheaper foreign labor has certainly been part of American tradition and growth as well. The Chinese and Irish immigrants who built the transcontinental railroad being a famous example.

Currently the H1 and L1 programs are being abused, and unlike the wealth-building effect the immigrant railroad workers had for the US, the engineering schools of India and China are stealing our national wealth in net effect.

We never have lacked nationally for muscle-powered labor, nor have we been hurt nationally for getting it cheap from other countries.

But it is silly to open up our national brain pan and drain it away, leaving us nationally a resource of only service workers and consumers, while other nations develop their intellect (H1) and capital (L1) at our expense.

[BlazingArizona]

Perhaps a better idea would be to improve your job skills, lower your asking price, or find a new line of work, instead of relying on government intervention for your livelihood.

the H-1B program is government intervention! It creates a special class of visa so employers can import Third Worlders as indentured servants to work cheap.

Let there be just one kind of worker visa, with one set of requirements for all.

[AAABEST]

Perhaps a better idea would be to improve your job skills, lower your asking price, or find a new line of work, instead of relying on government intervention for your livelihood.

Normally I would agree with such a statement. I am after all a law of the jungle type of guy.

However you're bassackwards here. "Government intervention" is the problem here. It intervened on behalf of donor tech corporations and lied to us when they said the reason was a labor shortage.

There is no good reason whatsoever to be issuing H-1s now.

[bvw]

They do .. and the ad knows better than you. Of course it does -- it's in the real market, you are in the Nile or something. The common practise is that body shops hold the H1b paper and the worker contracts out of the body shop.

[RLK]

The only thing that counts is bombing ragheads. When this high school football game is over the internal condition of this nation will be in ruins for lack of brains and leadership.

[dirtboy]

Perhaps a better idea would be to improve your job skills, lower your asking price, or find a new line of work, instead of relying on government intervention for your livelihood.

Perhaps an even BETTER idea would be to examine the initial premise for H1-B visas - that there is a shortage of IT workers, which was the case in the mid 1990s - and then compare that premise to the current job market - there are many, many people looking for work - and, since the premise for the program is no longer valid, stop the program. That's hardly asking for government intervention, it is instead asking the government to live by the conditions set for the program in the first place.

[gedeon3]

timm22 does not know what in hell he is talking about.
I am a programmer with lots of skills, have been back to school to learn new technology, and still can't find a job in IT. It is useless to learn new technology when every employer requires 2, 5, 8, 10 or more years of experience. Nobody is willing to take somebody who just learned the technology. As far as pay goes, I have offered my services for as little as 10 dollars an hour with no lock
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[ThinkDifferent]

Those shortages no longer exist.

And even if they did, they were never a justification for government intervention. Supply and demand works. Government micromanagement doesn't.

[gedeon3]

correction :)

timm22 does not know what in hell he is talking about.
I am a programmer with lots of skills, have been back to school to learn new technology, and still can't find a job in IT. It is useless to learn new technology when every employer requires 2, 5, 8, 10 or more years of experience. Nobody is willing to take somebody who just learned the technology. As far as pay goes, I have offered my services for as little as 10 dollars an hour with no luck.

[bigfootbob]

DITTO

[1stFreedom]

Perhaps a better idea would be to improve your job skills, lower your asking price, or find a new line of work, instead of relying on government intervention for your livelihood. You asinine comments show that you are out of touch with the IT job market. During a "normal" market your suggestions may fly, but not in today's market. Improving one's job skills while unemployed does not count. Most companies do not consider this professional experience. Trust me, been there done that. lower your asking price Once again, you are out of touch. If you look on IT Job boards, you'll see that many professionals worked only a very small portion last year. Many didn't even land interviews! I've known of people that hadn't worked in over a year. They would settle for ANYTHING no matter what the pay but it wasn't happening. (Granted, some were waiting for the market to come back and salaries to raise, but overall most were desparate.) Lowering an asking price might work if the employers were actually asking for your work! Efforts to contact a person at firms/companies are outright ignored. One has a difficult time getting responses of any kind. It seems that many companies are "fishing" for candidates and hiring very few. So now, how is one supposed to offer a lower rate when they are not responding to one's efforts? THOUSANDS of people are applying for single positions. I know several people who are managers. They get swamped with resumes and calls from head hunters. instead of relying on government intervention for Uh, Government intervention is responsible for this mess in the first place by issuing such work permits. I don't get jobs from the Government, nor a paycheck. The POLICY is what is making life difficult. The POLICY needs to be fixed. Also, I don't collect unemployment, so no, I don't look to the Government for intervention. I look for them to correct their mistake! new line of work This is actually a good suggestion but there is a fundamental flaw: Everybody who can't find an IT job is doing this now. So there is now intense competition for other jobs. Try supporting a family on entry level salary however, and you'll realize that it's easier said than done.

[1stFreedom]

Perhaps a better idea would be to improve your job skills, lower your asking price, or find a new line of work, instead of relying on government intervention for your livelihood.

You asinine comments show that you are out of touch with the IT job market. During a "normal" market your suggestions may fly, but not in today's market.

Improving one's job skills while unemployed does not count. Most companies do not consider this professional experience. Trust me, been there done that.

lower your asking price

Once again, you are out of touch.

If you look on IT Job boards, you'll see that many professionals worked only a very small portion last year. Many didn't even land interviews! I've known of people that hadn't worked in over a year. They would settle for ANYTHING no matter what the pay but it wasn't happening. (Granted, some were waiting for the market to come back and salaries to raise, but overall most were desparate.)

Lowering an asking price might work if the employers were actually asking for your work! Efforts to contact a person at firms/companies are outright ignored. One has a difficult time getting responses of any kind. It seems that many companies are "fishing" for candidates and hiring very few.

So now, how is one supposed to offer a lower rate when they are not responding to one's efforts?

THOUSANDS of people are applying for single positions. I know several people who are managers. They get swamped with resumes and calls from head hunters.

instead of relying on government intervention for

Uh, Government intervention is responsible for this mess in the first place by issuing such work permits. I don't get jobs from the Government, nor a paycheck. The POLICY is what is making life difficult. The POLICY needs to be fixed.

Also, I'm a small business owner and I don't collect unemployment, so no, I don't look to the Government for intervention. I look for them to correct their mistake!

new line of work

This is actually a good suggestion but there is a fundamental flaw: Everybody who can't find an IT job is doing this now. So there is now intense competition for other jobs. Try supporting a family on entry level salary however, and you'll realize that it's easier said than done.

[traditionalist]

No Americans were hungry enough to take such a tedious course. Plenty of them in PE and business classes though…

The reason no Americans want to train for the field is because cheap foriegn labor drives down the wages to the level where it is no longer worthwhile for an American.

No patriot should be happy about our technical fields being dominated by foriegners.

[gedeon3]

"Goverment intervention MADE this problem. We just want them to undo the damage they have done to this field. If that seems too meddlsome to some people, I'm sure they won't mind when they have to compete with indentured servants in their field of work."

Who was the president in the mid 90's?.

[bigfootbob]

Out here Microsoft tells us the reason they hire so many from H1-B pool, is because our schools are not preparing our students adequately so they can do these jobs. They have a point. I don't think they should hire from that pool when trained Americans are available however.

[WRhine]

Who was the president in the mid 90's?.

A more relevant question is "Who IS the president NOW" and what is he doing about it?

[Mr. Bird]

They do .. and the ad knows better than you. Of course it does -- it's in the real market, you are in the Nile or something. The common practise is that body shops hold the H1b paper and the worker contracts out of the body shop

If someone is on H1-B and wishes to change employers, they must seek another H1-B. You are correct that the employer is the petitioner, but a person must be assigned to the petition. The employer cannot have a "standing" H1-B for an applicant, and that applicant cannot work for any employer other than the original petitioner. I'm not in the Nile. Quite the contrary, I have hired over 5,000 people in the past five years.