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The Reason Behind the Forged Memos
the Manchurian Candidate ^ | 09/15/2004 | Me

Posted on 09/15/2004 11:30:46 AM PDT by rocklobster11

Now that we know the memos were forged, the question is who created them and why? It has been reported that these memos came

to CBS from the DNC and may have originated by a disgruntled former Army National Guard member who has an axe to grind with

President Bush. I'm sure the who will be discovered by other news sources soon. I want to focus on the why.

When I originally saw these memos, I couldn't figure out what the purpose of them was. There didn't seem to be any new facts in

them, as everyone agrees that Bush missed his annual flight examination which was scheduled for July 1972, and had his flight

status suspended on August 1. These memos just appeared to provide backup.

However, upon further analysis, it appears that these memos were meant to lay the ground work for further charges that Bush used

cocaine while in the National Guard and had to be quickly shuffled out of Texas to Alabama to cover it up. These are rumors that

have circled amongst the Bush haters, but there has been no proof, and the timeline didn't really support the conspiracy

theories. Lets look at how these memos were an attempt to forward this rumor:

What is behind each of the memos:

Fake Memo What is says Why was it created
May 4,1972 Orders Bush to get his annual physical within 10 days To change the timeline for Bush getting his annual physical, which wasn't actually due until the end of July.

Create

the impression that Bush left in a hurried panic for Alabama to avoid drug testing

May 19, 1972 Phone call from Bush asking about getting transfered to Alabama because he wants to run a campaign. Followed by discussion

of getting the physical later if he decided to keep flying

Show that Bush left town on May 15, called his commander after the fact to see if he could transfer to Alabama.

Also,

create a confirmation that Killian was aware and ok with the fact that Bush missed the physical. If the order from May 4 was

disobeyed, you would expect some sort of official reprimand or follow-up. Since there is nothing in the record, the May 19 memo

provides an answer.

August 1,1972 Bush suspended from flight status due to failure to perform to USAF/TexANG standards and failute to meet annual physical

examination as ordered. Plus order of the creation of a flight review board IAW AFM35-13.

Make it look like there was something more to the suspension of flight status than just missing the physical.

Create the

impression that a flight review board was ordered, so that they can then ask why Bush has not released this document (ie, there

must be a cover-up). It must show that Bush was suspended for using drugs

August 18, 1972 CYA Memo about being pressured to sugar-coat the Bush review. Mentions something about backdating information Perhaps to show that there was some pressure from higher up for a coverup. However, I wonder what record would need to be

"backdated" in order to fit in with the subsequent conspiracy theory that they plan to release. Perhaps we will find

out, or perhaps they will abandon the next phase of the plan now that the forgeries have been uncovered

Why did 60 Minutes run this story last week? I believe it was meant to be a lead in to the Kitty Kelly book, which also makes

these unfounded claims of Bush drug use. 60 Minutes expected there to be a 4-5 day news cycle discussing how Bush had not

completed his guard duty or had been given preferential treatment. After the Kitty Kelly book came out, they could look at them

again in a new light to help spread the rumors of Bush's drug use.


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1 posted on 09/15/2004 11:30:48 AM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: rocklobster11

yes ... but I thought all that was a given, known or realized by most everybody. Though the latest addition to the scheme is the coordinated video produced by the DNC.


2 posted on 09/15/2004 11:34:05 AM PDT by Steven W.
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To: rocklobster11

Sounds like how the DNC Bush smear was supposed to go down to me. Now if we could only implicate the RATs who are responsible, we could take the whole party down.


3 posted on 09/15/2004 11:34:49 AM PDT by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
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To: rocklobster11

Very cogent, and it fits what's happening now with the DNC's new attack commercial, and only by the grace of FReepers and Bloggers, has this further plan been foiled. How sweet it is!


4 posted on 09/15/2004 11:35:01 AM PDT by jim35 (Will the press still be anti-war when a democRAT is in office?)
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To: rocklobster11

I didn't really see the point.

Even if everything was true, so what? They don't really compare with Kerry's leading a violent, communist-linked, anti-war organization.

Danny boy thought this was going to sink the President?


5 posted on 09/15/2004 11:36:27 AM PDT by Chewbacco (I actually did have a tagline, before I erased it.)
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To: rocklobster11

I agree. One of the 'extra' USA Today forged docs (the first one in the .pdf) has a link between Lts. Bush and Bath, the latter having some kind of drug problem in the NG. I think CBS was going to reveal these extra two docs in a later report, but they were revealed too early by USA Today in their pdf. CBS doesn't have links to the 2 extra docs on their website but the experts they consulted saw those docs and mentioned that on-air.

This whole campaign, the DNC's "Operation Fortunate Son" has been run to link President Bush and Laura to a history of drug abuse and drug selling. It seems to have fallen flat on its face.


6 posted on 09/15/2004 11:37:50 AM PDT by plushaye (President Bush - Four more years! Thanks Swifties.)
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To: rocklobster11

This assumes that they did drug testing on routine physicals back then. Does anyone know how to find out which drug tests were available and were they done on the military?


7 posted on 09/15/2004 11:38:42 AM PDT by Kay
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To: rocklobster11
Isn't the date on the CYA memo actually: "18 August 1973"

You show "1972" above ...

8 posted on 09/15/2004 11:40:33 AM PDT by _Jim (s <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: rocklobster11
Interesting.

Have you considered looking in to the other two memos that USA Today had.

Curious to see how they would fit into this scenario.
9 posted on 09/15/2004 11:40:47 AM PDT by dinasour (Pajamahadeen)
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To: rocklobster11

What did Dan know, and when did he know it?

What did Dan know, and when did he know it?

What did Dan know, and when did he know it?

What did Dan know, and when did he know it?

What did Dan know, and when did he know it?

What did Dan know, and when did he know it?


10 posted on 09/15/2004 11:42:03 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: plushaye

Where is info on Bath having a drug problem? That would nail this story and show that CBS was a party to the fraud


11 posted on 09/15/2004 11:42:48 AM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: plushaye
the latter having some kind of drug problem in the NG

Bingo, I guess you just answered my question.

All of this would, of course, come out slowly over the next few weeks, in follow up "investigations".

12 posted on 09/15/2004 11:44:20 AM PDT by dinasour (Pajamahadeen)
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To: rocklobster11
The reason this is being done is to discredit the documents the The Swiftees will be coming out with shortly.

The ol' "Well we don't know what's true or not" routine, designed to confuse those who don't pay attention.

Unfortunately, it works...
13 posted on 09/15/2004 11:44:47 AM PDT by motzman (to the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time.....)
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To: rocklobster11

You may be right but I think the reason is a lot simpler. Just to keep questioning Bush's past in the news and, Like a poster mentioned, coordinate it with the Dems new attack ad. Boy, did that boomerang. Nice job Freepers.


14 posted on 09/15/2004 11:45:21 AM PDT by daviscupper
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To: rocklobster11

The memos took the focus off of the Swiftboat Vets and Kerry's record..


15 posted on 09/15/2004 11:45:46 AM PDT by pnz1
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To: rocklobster11
From today's ABC The Note:

"A bevy of New York Times reporters have this: "CBS has refused to say how it obtained the documents. But one person at CBS, who spoke on condition of anonymity, confirmed a report in Newsweek that Bill Burkett, a retired National Guard officer who has charged that senior aides to then-Governor Bush had ordered Guard officials to remove damaging information from Mr. Bush's military personnel files, had been a source of the report. This person did not know the exact role he played."

16 posted on 09/15/2004 11:46:19 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@It's Taking Too Long.com)
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To: rocklobster11
I agree. This was part of Kerry's cleverest multi-pronged attack to smear Bush. But the thousands of quite smart people on the Internet tripped them up. Kerry was counting on the willing MSM to whip up the controversy. But the forgeries pointed the controversy back to CBS and possibly the DNC.

For tis sport, to have the engineer Hoist with his own petard...

17 posted on 09/15/2004 11:46:26 AM PDT by DJtex (;)
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To: plushaye

"Linking President Bush and Laura to a history of drug abuse and drug selling. It seems to have fallen flat on its face."

Because, it is so absurd it is laughable! Nobody in their right mind (which excludes the DNCCBS) would make a charge like this without tons of incontrovertable evidence. It just made the DNCCBS look like lunatics IMO.

What's next, the President enjoys necrophilia?
Laura Bush is a Vampire?

:o)


18 posted on 09/15/2004 11:46:42 AM PDT by Chewbacco (I actually did have a tagline, before I erased it.)
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To: rocklobster11

From another thread last night

To: plushaye
Yes, you have it right, with one missing detail that I read on DU. They claim that there was another pilot decommissioned at the same time for cocaine use and that Bush must be guilty by association, but the records were scrubbed. Don't ask me how they accessed the other guys records.
158 posted on 09/14/2004 8:35:44 PM PDT by Eva

I did read the same thing on one of those awolbush-type websites when I was checking them out. They're rather horrific so I didn't stay too long on them but this same thing has been spouted by the x-files types for a while.


19 posted on 09/15/2004 11:47:55 AM PDT by plushaye (President Bush - Four more years! Thanks Swifties.)
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To: Chewbacco

The old DUI story hurt the President in 2000, it looks like the rats were banking on a similar "coke" story.


20 posted on 09/15/2004 11:48:37 AM PDT by MamaLucci (Libs, want answers on 911? Ask Clinton why he met with Monica more than with his CIA director.)
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To: _Jim
You show "1972" above ...

Still this is in order to cover up for the fact that little of this shows up in the official record, because it was "sanitized".

But our noble and conveniently dead hero saw this coming and made sure that they would never get away with it.
21 posted on 09/15/2004 11:49:03 AM PDT by dinasour (Pajamahadeen)
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To: rocklobster11

Very interesting.


22 posted on 09/15/2004 11:51:19 AM PDT by AmishDude (Dan Rather, Admeeral Boooorda commeeted sooeecide for far less.)
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To: Kay

I am pretty sure that random drug tests did not begin in the military until the early 80s.


23 posted on 09/15/2004 11:52:54 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: rocklobster11
Liberal/demoncratic motto:

"The End justifies The Means..!"


Examples:

If you need facts and can't find any so support you, then make them up!

If you are confronted by facts, deny or ignore them!

Laws are for little people, not for liberals!

24 posted on 09/15/2004 11:52:57 AM PDT by Dubh_Ghlase ("Every man dies, but not every man truly lives...." Braveheart)
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To: rocklobster11
I think saw the coke theory somewhere else before I saw it on your site, and I think it's the best explanation yet.

This was supposed to be a two-phased assault (Phase I: get us to accept the memos; Phase II: claim memos are proof Bush was coked up). Phase I is still blowing up in CBS's face, which prevents them from getting to Phase II. However, they didn't want to drop Phase I it was the only way they can get to Phase II.

Now they are going to claim "the docs are forgeries, but the information in them is correct." They want to drop the docs, forget the whole forgery scandal, and jump straight into Phase II. They may have coached Killian's secretary because what she says is exactly what they want right now.

However, the public is not going to forget about the forgery scandal. CBS will not get to move on to Phase II until the forgery kerfuffle is resolved (and CBS doesn't want to resolve it because that means admitting major culpability)

25 posted on 09/15/2004 11:54:40 AM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: plushaye
This whole campaign, the DNC's "Operation Fortunate Son" FREEPER "Operation Unfortunate Journalist" has been run to link President Bush and Laura to a history of drug abuse and drug selling Dan Rather and CBS to a history of lying, fraud and deciet. It seems to have fallen flat on its face succeeded beyond our wildest imagination.
26 posted on 09/15/2004 11:54:47 AM PDT by DrDavid
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To: Kay

When I was in Viet Nam, we were tested for Heroin use, but no one ever worried about pot use, a lot of people smoked it and when test time came around no one that I personally know of was busted for pot use because of the tests. I don't think that pot showed up, I don't know about other drugs though.

I did know people who were busted for Heroin use because of them.


27 posted on 09/15/2004 11:55:00 AM PDT by DaiHuy (God Bless America and God Damn John Kerry)
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To: Chewbacco
What's next, the President enjoys necrophilia?

Kitty Kelly has three sources for that, but all of them are dead. </dark humor>

28 posted on 09/15/2004 11:56:09 AM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: DrDavid

Excellent corrections. Someone said this has been a 'reverse Watergate'. Definitely the unfolding of this fiasco has been one of the most amazing things I've ever seen in politics and news reporting.


29 posted on 09/15/2004 11:57:31 AM PDT by plushaye (President Bush - Four more years! Thanks Swifties.)
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To: rocklobster11

If they could plan something this carefully, why couldn't they do a decent job of forgery?


30 posted on 09/15/2004 11:57:49 AM PDT by G-Bear (My liver is EVIL, and I must PUNISH it!)
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To: xm177e2; Howlin
I've added in a little more information about the other two memos:

What is behind each of the memos:

Fake Memo What is says Why was it created
February 1,1972 Asks for an update of flight status for Bush and another officer, Bath To create a paper trail leading to the May 4 memo. Also, Bath also missed his physical within a month of the time Bush missed his, and many leftwing conspiracy sites beleive that they both got caught doing cocaine in the Guard, but that the records were scrubbed. Also, Bush was later involved in a company with Bath, and they attempt to link Bush and Bath with the Bin Laden's based on this company.
May 4,1972 Orders Bush to get his annual physical within 10 days To change the timeline for Bush getting his annual physical, which wasn't actually due until the end of July.

Create the impression that Bush left in a hurried panic for Alabama to avoid drug testing

May 19, 1972 Phone call from Bush asking about getting transfered to Alabama because he wants to run a campaign. Followed by discussion of getting the physical later if he decided to keep flying Show that Bush left town on May 15, called his commander after the fact to see if he could transfer to Alabama.

Also, create a confirmation that Killian was aware and ok with the fact that Bush missed the physical. If the order from May 4 was disobeyed, you would expect some sort of official reprimand or follow-up. Since there is nothing in the record, the May 19 memo provides an answer.

August 1,1972 Bush suspended from flight status due to failure to perform to USAF/TexANG standards and failute to meet annual physical examination as ordered. Plus order of the creation of a flight review board IAW AFM35-13. Make it look like there was something more to the suspension of flight status than just missing the physical.

Create the impression that a flight review board was ordered, so that they can then ask why Bush has not released this document (ie, there must be a cover-up). It must show that Bush was suspended for using drugs

June 24, 1973 Memo concerning a request for evaluation of Bush and a statement about not being able to evaluate Bush since he had been off of the base from May 1972 to May 1973. To provide a basis for the August 18, 1973 memo, which complains of being pressured by superiors.
August 18, 1973 CYA Memo about being pressured to sugar-coat the Bush review. Mentions something about backdating information Perhaps to show that there was some pressure from higher up for a coverup. However, I wonder what record would need to be "backdated" in order to fit in with the subsequent conspiracy theory that they plan to release. Perhaps we will find out, or perhaps they will abandon the next phase of the plan now that the forgeries have been uncovered

31 posted on 09/15/2004 11:57:58 AM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: rocklobster11
There's an old maxim of criminal investigation something to the effect of: never attribute to cunning that which can be explained by incompetence.

I think the same maxim applies to the obvious shortcomings in the CBS forgery.

32 posted on 09/15/2004 11:58:44 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: rocklobster11
Here are the latest deloooosional postings on Memogate from the DUmmies for your amoooosement:

I'm on to Rove's plans ... Hate the pig, but have to admire his devious genius. What he's presently working is this ... If the memo's are indeed fakes he definitely would be the one pushing them. Even if the memos are real, the heavy hammering by shills is having the effect of creating doubt. Also, he's got shills asking leading questions at press conferences like "why is the White house allowing people like the AP and people like CBS to have access to press conferences after their anti-Bush lies". (booing of Bush, forged memos, etc) The reason this is being done is to set precedent that anything anti Bush is a lie. By discrediting the media at this stage anything that comes out negative between now and the election will be automatically suspect and eventually automatically discounted. He's creating an atmosphere of doubt while simultaneously distracting from anything substantial or issue oriented.

"Forgery" issue is another publican lie. publicanism equates with pathological prevarication and psychotic willfull ignorance.

Did Rove plant the CBS TANG documents? Did he do the same to Hatfield author of Fortunate Son, the book which broke the story of Bush's cocaine conviction back in 2000?

Send this story to Olberman at MSNBC. He already thinks it is Rove but I don't know if he knows the Hatfield story.

The documents are genuine. Real signatures, real sentiments, real events...real. No hard evidence has been put up to challenge them, only hearsay. "Probably", "likely"--not good enough, especially when not coming from experts.

I think its Rove.... ...this stuff benefits the Bush team more than the Kerry team. Keeps the focus off his record while time is wasted on this stuff.

The RNC Did This This is a total plant by the fascists in the RNC. Rove has got his fingerprints all over this. I wouldn't be surprised if CBS was in on it to try to damage Kerry. They should also look into probable involvement by Israel.

This is a totalitarian hijacking of our democracy, our freedoms of speech, and a DIRECT THREAT to Mr. Dan Rather, Citizen of the United States!!

My guess is that someone knew the true story about Bush's going awol, but lacking a smoking gun, created one. This is why the White House didn't denounce the doucuments when they say them; they knew they were the truth. Only now it comes out that the docs are a crude forgery. It was really stupid of CBS not to do a better job.

What unadulterated crap. Rather knows what he's doing, and... ...I get the sense that FratBoy will wish that he'd never tangled with him.

CBS is doing Democrats no favors here... I agree with IndianaGreen - stonewalling is like waving a hankie on a stick to divert attention from the fact that you aren't wearing any pants. It didn't work for Tricky Dick and it won't work for Dan. Rather is starting to make me cringe, while the Repugs smirk self-righteously. No one needs those stinking documents to assert that the chimp was a shirker -- there is plenty of other evidence -- but as long as the spotlight is on the documents' authenticity, it's off Boosh.

CBS has been AMAZING at disclosing the crap that the * Administration has gotten away with. I think they deserve everyone's support here.

The most amazing thing about this story is that it demonstrates the evil genius of Karl Rove and his gang of scumbags. They have framed the story as being about the veracity of the documents rather than about the substance of the accusations. Damn them to hell!

Here's my guess as to what happened: someone knows exactly how Bush avoided Vietnam and how he didn't fullfill his guard service. This person knew all the details, but didn't have any smoking guns, so forged some documents. CBS got ahold of these documents and it asked other people if their contents were believable, and of course people in the know, such as the secretary, said yes. CBS passed the documents to the White House, who looked at them and said holy shit! This is exactly what happened. So the White House didn't denounce them. At the same time, CBS ignored some critics who stated that the documents were foged: They went ahead with the story, and now we have forged documents that state the truth.

33 posted on 09/15/2004 11:59:18 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (What's the Forgery, Dan!!!???)
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To: rocklobster11

I have mentioned before that this memos alone are not that damaging. I was eating lunch today and it popped into my head that someone said that Bush did not take his physical because he was afraid he would pop on a urinalysis. It then dawned on me that this is why this memos (by themselves) are not that damaging. They are just the beginning of a major onslaught that will be tied into these memos at a later time. The fact that he was alledgedly "ordered" will attampt to show more culpablity on his part. Of course it is all trash, but it also explains the rabid defense of the memos.


34 posted on 09/15/2004 11:59:59 AM PDT by Patriot32
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To: xm177e2

This has been very carefully orchestrated.

The "Operation Fortunate Son" was all ready to go.

Kitty Kelly planting the "meme" that Bush is a coke head.

This goes far beyond some flunky in Texas, or a "throw-away" producer at CBS


35 posted on 09/15/2004 12:00:07 PM PDT by dinasour (Pajamahadeen)
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To: Chewbacco
What's next, the President enjoys necrophilia?
Laura Bush is a Vampire?

W snorts at Camp David, and Barbara is a practicing witch, maybe?

36 posted on 09/15/2004 12:01:52 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: rocklobster11; MizSterious; backhoe; 1Mike; 3catsanadog; ~Vor~; ~Kim4VRWC's~; A CA Guy; ...

Ping to #31.


37 posted on 09/15/2004 12:02:23 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: rocklobster11

I disagree.

Kerry had been beaten down in the polls for over a month by the Swiftboat adds. The Republican convention bounce just made things worst.

The purpose of the memos was to put Bush on the defensive. The Democrats don't do well on the defensive. They needed something, anything, to switch the focus back unto Bush. The effort was only partically successful. It took the focus off of Kerry, but the focus has become Dan Rather/CBS, not President Bush.

The Damage control that is going on now at CBS is to make sure the fallout from the documents do not harm Kerry/DNC. CBS is not so concerned about their own reputation because they know their sponsors will not leave.


38 posted on 09/15/2004 12:02:39 PM PDT by Tai_Chung
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To: rocklobster11

I only had time to skim your post, but you are right.

For years they have stated he missed duty and hinted darkly as to why he missed the physical and such and it never gained traction. They figured having documents (and they only dared to create spinnable ones since there are living witnesses) would give them the boost they needed to "finally" make their allegations stick.


39 posted on 09/15/2004 12:02:47 PM PDT by cyncooper (We're mad as Zell and we're not going to take it anymore!)
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To: rocklobster11; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; ...

VERY good chart @ #31


40 posted on 09/15/2004 12:04:04 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: cyncooper

Addition:

Here is what she said:

"He did have complaints about Bush. Bush missed his physical and went off to Alabama with none of the paperwork, I remember Killian talking about that," Knox said. "But it wasn't in memo file."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1216254/posts


41 posted on 09/15/2004 12:05:03 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: PJ-Comix
They should also look into probable involvement by Israel.

Wow. I mean, wow. I thought we had some tinfoilers on this site, but just damn.

42 posted on 09/15/2004 12:07:48 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: Howlin

More:

"Newly released computerized payroll records show no indication Mr. Bush drilled with the Alabama unit during July, August and September of 1972, The Associated Press has reported."

I am going to take over the News Department at CBS; even I know that those were the months that Bush worked on Blount's campaign and went to the GOP convention.

And there ARE pay stubs for October and November.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1215022/posts


43 posted on 09/15/2004 12:08:13 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: rocklobster11

I think it was deliberately floated by the DNC/sKerry camp with full knowlege that it would be detected as a sham/fake/forgery to give the sKerry bunch a possible backdrop against which to attack the Swiftees when they release documents detailing sKerry's courtmartial and Dishonorable Discharge , thus leaving us the job of ferreting out how the discharge got changed (Jimmy Carter) to honorable in 1978.

The hope is that ALL the MSM will be in a mood to find similar misdeeds on the Bush side to kinda' balance it all back up so papers and commercials can be sold. A runaway election hurts the press bottom line too you know.


44 posted on 09/15/2004 12:08:15 PM PDT by ping jockey ("It only takes $.13 to do the job right")
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To: rocklobster11
August 18, 1973

Since we know that this documentation is forged, I wonder if the 1973 date is itself a typo.

Proof that stupid people can be diabolical.

Or that someone smart came up with the concept, and someone stupid was responsible for the implementation

45 posted on 09/15/2004 12:08:36 PM PDT by dinasour (Pajamahadeen)
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To: Dr.Deth
W snorts at Camp David, and Barbara is a practicing witch, maybe?

Yes, and someone at the DNC has their reply to Roger Stones infamous swinger ad.

46 posted on 09/15/2004 12:10:49 PM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: rocklobster11
Now isn't that interesting. The so-called memo from May 19, 1972 1st Lt Bush was supposed to have made a request by phone to be transferred to the 187th in Alabama, when in reality he made the request in writing and it was granted by Lt Colonel Killian

The request was made by 1st Lt Bush on September 5th 1972 as can be seen here

http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/6-Reassignments_Spilt_Training.pdf page 8

47 posted on 09/15/2004 12:12:26 PM PDT by Kaslin (Stick a fork in Kerry, he is done)
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To: Tai_Chung
I disagree

So, what if you knew that this was being planned by the DNC as far back as August 11 (prior to the SwiftVets getting much press). See:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1216791/posts for confirmation that Bob Tuke, a Kerry supported from Tennessee, knew about the planned National Guard-missed physical-cocain story that was coming.

48 posted on 09/15/2004 12:13:20 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: jim35

"And I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you damned kids in pajamas!"

49 posted on 09/15/2004 12:15:27 PM PDT by weegee (What's the provenance, Kenneth? Where did the forged SeeBS memo come from?)
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To: rocklobster11
I had similar thoughts this morning. I didn't factor in the Kitty Kelly angle though.
50 posted on 09/15/2004 12:16:25 PM PDT by PogySailor (Proud member of the RAM)
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