Skip to comments.Freepers Help Me! Is the Draft Possible?
Posted on 09/17/2004 6:40:43 PM PDT by Wonderama
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Democrats make me spell bad.
Your "friend" should support this legislation,his people wrote it.
And, no, this administration repeatedly swats down the draft rumor, which the Dems trot out regularly to sow dissent. The military doesn't want people who are unqualified and unwilling in this fight.
Your liberal friend should also know there are things far worse than war.
Chuck Rangel bump. He's been spouting the draft ever since Afghanistan. He knows the Pentagon doesn't want it.
"I am an original cosponsor of the Rangel/Conyers bill, the Universal National Service Act of 2003 (HR 163), which would reinstate a national draft. I would like to explain my support for this legislation. I ardently oppose war with Iraq....
"Reinstituting the draft may seem unnecessary to some. But, it will ensure all Americans share in the cost and sacrifice of war. Without a universal draft, this burden weighs disproportionately on the shoulders of the poor the disadvantaged and minority populations....
"It is my understanding that out of the 435 Members of this House and the 100 members of the Senate, only one -- only one -- has a child in active military service. Who are we to know the pain of war when we ourselves will not directly bear the brunt of that action?...."
Full text available at http://www.house.gov/stark/documents/108th/univdraftstate.html
Get the idea? It was never going to happen - they are just making a$$es out of themselves.
There is a draft bill. John Conyers and Charlie Rangel are the main pushers of it. They aren't republicans last I checked....
There are currently twelve draft bills in Congress - so, yes, you should be worried if you have kids who would be affected by this legislation.
So what if there is a draft???? Are the children of any era exempt from serving??? Rest of us did. If needed, let them share the burden.
Let me help you out...
If they start up the draft...its not the end of the world...I for one know many many spoiled rich kids who could use the steel toe boot of drill sgt driven far up their asses...
ie: So what...and yes...I do have kids...a 17 year old son and 15 year old daughter...
I say bring it on...
This bill is dead in commitee and has been for a while.
It is a bill sponsored by liberal democrats (look at the sponsors) to scare people.
But to answer your question, YES - the draft is certainly possible, and that's not necesarily a bad thing. I have spoken to many young adults who insist that the draft is 'political suicide.'
I'm not so sure - if 4 or 5 US cities, for example, suffered limited nuclear strikes (the 1 kiloton range) with a total body count of 250,000 (and another 1/2 million injured), and the nukes are traced to two or three nations that sponsor terror - that immediately opens up two or three new fronts in the war.
It seems to me in that situation it would be political suicide to NOT go to war, and to NOT draft an army to support that war.
I don't think women will be drafted in any renewed draft, in any case. The GOP won't be for it (and they control and will control Congress for the forseeable future), and most dems will be too afraid to support it - if you think the mommies of america will flip because they son's are hauled to war, how will they react when they precious daughters are hauled off to war?
Rnough of the men of the USA don't want women in harms way, and enough of the women in the USA don't want to be in harms way. No women's draft (call us sexist).
Women will continue to be able to enlist, of course, as they may now.
Ok look here are the guys pushing this:
Mr. RANGEL DEMOCRAT - NY
Mr. MCDERMOTT DEMOCRAT-WA
Mr. CONYERS DEMOCRAT-MI
Mr. LEWIS of Georgia DEMOCRAT-GA
Mr. STARK DEMOCRAT-CA
Mr. ABERCROMBIE DEMOCRAT - Hawaii
Notice something? All Democrats
You only have to worry if Hanoi John French Kerry and his good friend, the sponsor of the bill, Democrat Congressman Charlie Rangle, are elected. Vote W and you'll be fine :)
I could care less how it "goes over in the USA".
Two years of mandatory service in the armed forces should be not only required but should be a prerequisite for the right to vote.
The greatest growth in population in the last ten years has been from recent immigrants who have no sense of identity with America. (Source: US Census Bureau).
Even fourth and fifth generation American kids are graduating from high school who don't know one damn thing about American history--they don't teach it.
Make two years of service mandatory. Raise the voting age to 25, install a poll test for intelligence and make an exception for all veterans that they have the right to vote immediately after their honorable discharge.
save for later
In short, a lot would have to happen, and there's no sign of any of it happening now. Even if the signs started to appear, it would take years to start units from scratch and make them combat effective by today's standards.
(p.s. I for one am glad you didn't get the T-shirt. Every time I see a 'Who's your Bagh-daddy' T-shirt, I feel embarassed for the guy wearing it.)
Now if they could just get the military heirarchy (who want no draft whatsoever), and the electorate (that literate 96% that knows a draft is counterproductive) and the congress (that will have no part of it) to go along, we'll be on to something.
At least we know that Al Sharpton wants a draft so the military can make the world safe for Tawana Brawley.
The GOP tactic is to point at the Rangel/whatever bill and say that proves no draft is in the GOP's plans. But, I've been predicting this for years. Before I stopped paying money for The Wussy Standard, they ran a constant drumbeat of columns about how we MUST increase the size of the military ... yet were always very vague on HOW to do it. That, coupled with the mind-numbing "Patriotism!" "National Greatness!" agitprop there and in TNR, makes you just KNOW where the neocons stand. Jeez, they're on record for Clinton's national service crap already.
The question is, "How much influence do these effeminate warmongers still have in the White House?"
Notice something else? Charlie Rangel is, like, the most conservative RAT on that list. Unbelievble as that seems.
Stark, McDermott, and Conyers? ANSWER's pet Congressmen? Holy Ike!
Wonderama, I hope you and your buddies have big, long email lists...
Rangel is a big-mouth and a race-baiter.
In an interview about this bill, he implied that he wanted to see the Bush twins drafted.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6027815/ The Dems are spreading the fear on the campaign trail
LOL, yea I didn't want one of those dumb a** shirts...now if there was a Hard Rock Cafe Baghdad shirt that would have fit in well with my HR Cafe Bosnia and Budapest shirts!
1. Have you registered for a draft?
2. Is there a selective service administration? www.sss.gov
3. Are the democrats going to take power in the November election?
If you can answer no to any of those questions, you should be OK for now.
Your right it would it would be total FUBAR!!
ANYTHING is possible! .....except truth from a democrat
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"Progressive" is a code word for socialist, note that Sanders of VT is an officer.
Why these people are allowed to get on national TV and not disclose or be asked by the press reagrding their membership in a socialist organization is beyond me.
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We are close.. very close. Defeat the late great Anti-American john f kerry, we'll have Osama's head on a pike. I promise. It won't be a rumor.
Thanks for that!
You did it here - you have the tools to make it known. Thanks for the post
I hear you.
"Why would a lottery with no exemption be too horrible to contemplate? We share the danger, why not share the burden?
Fair question BUT.........we must be realistic. The all volunteer military was established to create a "reliable" service. That is............if you sign up it is because you want to serve your country. You must pass much more stringent requirements then in days of old where just about anyone could get drafted. If a draft was re-inacted it would throw all branches of the military into a real quagmire.........how could they possibily hope to train drafted people who want nothing to do with the military to perform to their standards, where they are required to fight and put their hides, out on the line?
I'm telling you folks, the Demos are much slicker and evil then many of you could ever imagine. I'll leave it go at that.
We did pretty well with draftees in WWII. I think that if there is a consensus that we need it, the draft would work just fine.
Now is not the time. Perhaps after the next 9/11.
Yes, no disagreement there. But lets us not forget to add that back then, WWII period, things where a little bit different, even taking into account "all those city slickers" that had to be toughend up, as General George S. Paton Jr. might have said. I guess I just got mixed thoughts on this issue. I think we all would admit, if a person signs up, then we know they are the type person that will at least try to do a good job. Often they enlist for purely patriotic purposes, or are young men trying to prove something. They fit the military way of life and can be depended on. Now if you draft a ultra liberal trained youth that hates the United States, hates what liberty stands for, hates the thought that some are willing to brave the rigors of military life, and if required go into mortal combat with an enemy of the United States, etc.....
what can we expect from such an individual when they are required to perform?
Will those currently in our military branches want to associate with those that hate the military outright? How
will some dear Marine feel when he knows there are those that where drafted and will not fight and protect that Marine's back during a fire fight feel? OR will the draft
just effect the Army? But then we still have the same problem, can't slight our modern fighting Army. They don't want sad sacks in their ranks. How would some Airborne guy feel as a known sad sack have to back him up as they jump into some Afgan village. Hey, do you think some Airforce pilot is going to feel comfortable knowing someone that hates America is working on his/her aircraft? Lets not forget our Navy. Is some fighter jock going to feel at ease that those that control the wires for him to land on may want to arrange a little accident so his aircraft pitches off the deck and blows up?
Now, just think of the huge amounts of tax payers monies that will be spent trying to train those that do not wish to serve but where forced to. Just think of how many dollars will be spent and wasted to try to get the slackers through basic training. As they drop out after a few weeks of boot camp, more, same types must replace them. Kids of that type now adays will know just what not to do to get booted out of boot camp after a few weeks. They are not like those that served in WWI,WWII,Korean War (yea it was a war), NAM, etc.. They have little upbringing in what made America great and could care less, THEY ARE FOR THEMSELVES.
So you might say, well then we don't have to worry about them. They will be weeded out! Yea, but how about the wasted tax dollars spent to process them, buss them to our military boot camps, first few weeks, or perhaps months taken to try to train them, only to then boot them out, or pass on those that are marginal and just may figure on getting back at those that ruined their lives.
That is one reason why the military had pushed for an all
voluntery Army etc., which lead to suspension of the draft.
As for Charlie Rangle and the other Demos pushing the House and Senate bills for a draft, believe me .........they
have this in mind....... ruin our military capabilities!
Then what? And remember what Zell Miller had to say at the recent RNC. .............spitballs!
War is hell, but slavery and subjugation by the UN and ultra liberal controlled government is worse then hell in
my humble opinion.
take care all
take care all.
Ten million of the fifteen million American soldiers who served in WWII were drafted. Conversely, five million were VOLUNTEERS. Is the US military 3 times as efficient as it was during WWII? Probably. I do know that my own dad VOLUNTEERED in both WWI and WWII, in WWII he was in no danger of being drafted, not only because of his age but because of the wounds he received in WWI which he then lied about so the Army would take him again!
Iraq has been relatively labor-intensive only because something completely different is being tried there. Conflict with the Islamic world has been a problem for the US since Thomas Jefferson (the Tripolitan War, 1800-1815), Mr. Bush correctly perceives that the conflict could go on for another 200 years unless something changes, and that change is Iraq.
The US could annihilate any other nation on earth (including Iraq right now) without anyone even getting up out of their chairs. We don't either need or want a draft.
This is the lady who appeared in the phony CBS story about the draft:
This is her email address.. we should all send her a piece of our mind....
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