Posted on 10/24/2004, 2:00:58 PM by gobucks
The big picture here at FR is that Kerry is a loser, and Bush is a winner, and we like it that way. We ZOT trolls and clear up misunderstandings (e.g., Hitler was a bona fide leftist).
We fight here at FR, and fight well. But there is one fight most of us Dads here do not fight; at least we don't fight it overtly. We permit liberal orphans to remain orphans. When they cry 'Who's your Daddy?', they don't cry out for you, but for the Dad they never had.
Curing someone of the deception of liberalism is not that hard to do. But the willingness to get really dirty has to be present. Liberals tend to be dirty. Their hearts, minds ... and apartments. Why?
Because the Dad of your average Joe and Joette Liberal was missing. Oh, there's a 50/50 chance some guy may be 'present'. But typically, he is a boy trapped in a man's body.
Liberal men are essentially not masculine, because the masculine man was missing during their youth. Liberal women are not feminine for the same reason. The Dad, the way Dad is supposed to be, simply wasn't there. Thus, male liberals, as J.F. Kerry so completely demonstrates, struggle terribly with 'chasing manhood'. Female liberals struggle terribly with acting like men. Both types are usually miserable, and instead of seeking out Dad for comfort, they find each other, and go 'aha!' in recognition, falsely believing they have found their soul mates.
But the secret to getting a liberal to grow up is to change the focus from manhood to dadhood, and then actually be a Dad to that Liberal in your life who didn't get that when they needed it. Most liberals don't have the faintest idea what it feels like to have a real Dad around; and when they experience it for the first time, the recoil in horror at the 'unknown'. Some may consider this an overstatement. Sorry, but it's not.
If there is an actual intact liberal household with one husband and one wife, that guy is usually someone who at his finest hour splits decision making with his wife. Mostly, he is a retreater, quiet, and weak. He defers to 'Mom', b/c that is what he grew up watching anyway. 'Mom' grew up watching the same thing. They breath together in this reality of shared experience. They pass Dadlessness on to their children.
It's obvious listening to FR voices that most of you had strong Dads in your lives. He was Dad, and during the big conflicts, he almost always had the final say. Oh, there might be a few who protest loudly and say that Mom, and only Mom was present and solely responsible for the rock solid conservative values they hold. But it's not common, and that 'Mom' is usually echoing the strongness of her own Dad that did not fail her.
Fighting Liberalism, destroying communism, ridiculing socialism .... we at FR are good at this. But, what about curing Liberals of Liberalism? Some, yes some, liberals actually want to be liberated from the bondage that is so often associated with being 'liberal'. Take it from me, a reformed conservative; for a long time I was a nearly deformed liberal. In other words, liberals, and conservatives, either one, are originally 'formed'. And Dad is the one who ultimately holds the key.
But it requires that a Dad show up in a Liberal's life. Reformation will not usually occur by reading some post written by a ticked-off conservative. Don't get me wrong. I am about as ticked off at liberals as anyone here at FR. What I am proposing is that some of you, during your daily interactions with the 'enemy', take the attitude that a few of the lost want to know what being 'Dadded' feels like.
I'm suggesting that the Dads here at FR actually take some time to do this from a kind-hearted perspective. As much as I can't stand, oh say, Maureen Dowd, the fact is that she must have been betrayed by her 'Dad' somehow. She doesn't write like a normal woman who was loved by her Dad. She writes like a woman who is seriously ticked off at men in general. Why? Because in her daily morning commute, not one 'Dad' out there looks her in the eye and says, 'You look nice today'.
(And I really don't think she is pretty for what its worth - but that doesn't matter. My point is every woman, pretty or not, hungers to be pretty. They are wired for that. Dad is usually the first one in her life to tell her she is 'pretty'. I'm betting here and now that when Maureen was a girl, she never heard those words from her Dad).
Most of you reading this I'm sure are thinking 'duh', and that I state the obvious. But, I am sure also that most FR types here are so fed up with the utter resistance they face when dealing with liberals that they have thrown up their hands, and drive home to their cul-de-sac festooned, Homeowner's-Association-protected, sanctuary, and get on with it. I sure as heck like mine.
So in summary, we here at FreeRepublic too often shout 'they are thinking it wrongly, and they are doing it so wrongly!!!!' But, from a Liberal's perspective we look like this:
Not often enough, do we stop, ponder, and then reach out and show these folks how it's done. Dads, I'm telling you, there is a liberal out there waiting to be shown 'how its done'. The risk is worth the payoff.
It's like a golf swing. You can say all you want, 'your grip is too weak; you're not coming from the inside; you need to keep your head level'. But the man who hungers to hit that ball straight has heard that over and over and over. Dad, talk a bit less, and show that boy how to swing, and he'll imitate you.
At FR, we need to look more like this to the Liberals who look our way:
This is not urgent, but I'd like your thoughts on this if you have the time ...
He was however a Master Sergeant, a member of the last cavalry unit at Ft. Sam Houston in San Antonio, very disciplined indeed. Mom carried on in his tradition raising us kids. We all ended up being independent thinkers, "stand on your own two feet" citizens.
You have a very interesting proposition here.
It suggests an understanding of why they hate the Bushes with such infantile rage: An intact family with a visible, loving, and successful Dad in the background, and a virile, masculine son who is also a fine Dad to his daughters.
Enough to induce the narcissistic rage of the infant who feels abandoned because he has had to go without the former and no clue as to how to be the latter.
I suspect it is empirically true that on a concrete level, more liberals were raised in a broken family, which means raised by a woman in the absence of a father. Where the father was present but an effeminate liberal, the effect is functionally the same.
It is also true that a liberal in 2004 will have likely been raised by a mother who has killed at least one of his brothers or sisters at the abortion mill. Such a child will unconsciously feel threatened by the fear of being killed also--but rather than direct his aggression against the perpetrator/mother, who has proven herself a child killer already and therefore a dangerous character, he will direct it at the target which is safe--the father who was not there and who failed to protect the infant.
This is unfair to the father, who had no say--but for an infant threatened by death, these details are irrelevant and in any case unknown. The liberal thus distrusts the masculine for deep-seated security reasons.
As you suggest, reparation of the liberal childhood deficits will require the establishment of a close, non-erotic relationship with a strong masculine father figure.
This can help to restore trust not only in the masculine other but in his own masculine nature.
I think your thesis is brilliant, and those of us who give it a try may have the satisfaction of turning liberal weenies into Conservative Men.
" He was however a Master Sergeant ... very disciplined indeed."
Thank you for reading this so soon, and sharing this too. He must have been an awesome man and Dad - losing him so young must have been hard. The discipline you have showed here over the years .... I've always been struck by it, and now it makes a lot of sense. I have a hunch he is really proud of you up there.
"Such a child will unconsciously feel threatened by the fear of being killed also--but rather than direct his aggression against the perpetrator/mother, who has proven herself a child killer already and therefore a dangerous character, he will direct it at the target which is safe--the father who was not there and who failed to protect the infant."
This perspective totally fits and it had not occured to me. Do you have links to any psychology related articles that go into more depth about this? (And thank you very much for your positive remarks)
Thank you oh so very much for all the kind words of encouragement!
It's not too often I read a vanity that makes me think new thoughts. This one did. Thanks.
Or where the father was "present" and even conservative, but beat the children down. Consider the elder Rodham -- nothing that his daughter did was ever "good enough" for him. Now she's determined to take it out on us all.
You are quite welcome. Thanks for the compliment.
I have many, many times wondered about the home life Hillary experienced under the elder Rodham. What sources do you recommend that would half way accurately discuss this?
And let me ask this: given that Methodists are known as a group that tolerates Masons, was the elder Rodham a Mason? My experience has taught me that many Mason 'Dads', though frequently excellent in service to their fellow man, and sons, often times did not put their daughters in a position where they felt secure ...
I noticed you folks were interested in the topic, so I, ahem, shamelessly pinged you on this; it's my take on what needs to be done to fix the problem of too many liberals running amok.
It's all true; let me add that I've been saying for years that it will be the Men's Movement (the Dad's ) who will save America.
We women need to get out of the way and let them do it.
"Who are you, and where did you get such wisdom ?"
Well, that is about the nicest question I have ever been asked. My essay was not too well written, but I hardly ever see anyone argue that the way to get rid of liberals is to be a Dad to them, and essentially make up for the mistakes and neglect their real Dads inflicted on them. of course, that would be a lot of work too ... and we freepers tend to be busy.
Who I am is this: I am one of the 'children of god' (I think that is out of 1 John). I prayed for this wisdom (if one would call it that); the Holy Spirit is Wisdom, as is Christ.
Hmmph. I guess that sounds sufficiently evangelical.
Bottom line, I am also trained in science, have worked in several very technical fields, made decent money, but spent most of my adult years playing pagan, until the last few where me and Mrs GB have been Christians. My exwife, and the teens who live down the road are glad for the fact I'm on the right road; of course they wish I had 'awakened' long ago. In short, my story isn't special, and its too common, but thru Christ, the story has had a heck of happy ending these last few years.
Do you have additional links about the Men's Movement that you really like? I've been a Freeper for awhile now, but I've left my links page blank all this time because I have been waiting to see what 'theme' it should follow. I have decided now that it will be links only about dadhood, motherhood, traditional marriage... and some links about how God intersects these...
"We women need to get out of the way and let them do it."
I respectfully disagree. If adam didn't need the help, the helper would not have been created. you women are ESSENTIAL, you are not 'optional'. Adam needs the help, b/c Adam was MADE needing the help.
I would have reworded like this: 'women need to look toward the way he is looking and help him get where he is going, as well as multi tasking in that wonderful way women have, and look around too for dangers that might blind side him and warn him, (... and, well, lets see.... He likes the coffee black, but with sugar, eggs scrambled, cheese added, .. heh heh, couldn't resist adding that part!)
Good point, really good point when you read the bio of M. Douglas. One wonders how long it will be before C.Z.Jones and he call it quits.
Not soon enough... >:-D
Great points. Are you a "Spider"?
mrs gb frequently refers to me as an 'ass'. I think she's being loving when she says it however...
what's a spider?
What is a 'spider'?
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