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Why are objectivists hyping "The Incredibles"?
Danny Taggart's Blogarama ^ | 12/06/2004 | Danny Taggart

Posted on 12/06/2004 5:45:10 AM PST by billybudd

I'm somewhat befuddled as to why objectivists seem so enthralled with The Incredibles. I suppose some of it has to do with some press coverage labelling the movie "Randian". It is understandable for objectivists to bask in the national spotlight that so rarely shines on them.

Objectivists seem to be confused by The Incredibles. What underlies their confusion with this movie is their reflexive attempt to fit cultural events into the narrative of Atlas Shrugged. The proper dichotomy should be, they argue, between the strong and the weak, the able and the incompetent. So it is not surprising that they should scratch their heads at a competing narrative: one of special people born with unearned gifts and of regular people who must make do with what they have. One of the regular people dares to rise above his station through hard work and innovation. As did Prometheus (an Ayn Rand favorite), this rogue attempts to bring the “fire of the gods” to man by means of a technology that gives everyone the Incredibles’ powers. For his impertinence, he is labelled a villain.

Now, I'm not arguing that Syndrome is not the villain - he is. That is how the writers have presented him, but that's not the point. The moral message of the movie lies beneath the superficialities of presentation, in the fundamental traits of its characters. Given their complaints about the false choice presented in this movie, one would expect objectivists to remain neutral in judging it on moral grounds. But, disturbingly, they are not. It's disturbing because, in a choice between a self-made innovator and a hero with innate powers, they side with the "hero". Instead of praising the American spirit of pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, they engage in royalty- and god-worship. Anyone familiar with objectivism would find this sickeningly ironic.


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1 posted on 12/06/2004 5:45:10 AM PST by billybudd
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To: billybudd

No offense, but it's just a cartoon. Not everything in life needs to be analyzed to death.


2 posted on 12/06/2004 5:46:53 AM PST by cwiz24 (Hey Democrats---Now who's ya daddy?)
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To: billybudd

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.


3 posted on 12/06/2004 5:48:12 AM PST by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: billybudd
Wow I was wondering what objectivist would think about this. Also I hope tony danza tells me what he thinks about this movie because his opinions are almost as culturally valid.

It's just a cartoon.
4 posted on 12/06/2004 5:48:55 AM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: billybudd
This guys a doofus.

He has it exactly backwards.

The moral message of the movie lies beneath the superficialities of presentation, in the fundamental traits of its characters. Given their complaints about the false choice presented in this movie, one would expect objectivists to remain neutral in judging it on moral grounds. But, disturbingly, they are not. It's disturbing because, in a choice between a self-made innovator and a hero with innate powers, they side with the "hero". Instead of praising the American spirit of pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, they engage in royalty- and god-worship.

The "Self-Made innovator" wants to use the machinery to make everything Egalitarian, not what Rand proposed. The Heroes are the can-do's and the evil little troll is the government bureaucrat....FCOL. Even my 6 year old got that.

5 posted on 12/06/2004 5:49:17 AM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: billybudd

"Choose again"


6 posted on 12/06/2004 5:49:32 AM PST by petro45acp ("Democrat = socialist. Remember it, repeat it, say it loudly, and VOTE!")
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To: cwiz24

I was somewhat surprised that Brent Bozell had a column a couple weeks ago praising the movie quite highly and noting that it is appropriate for the whole family. I was surprised only because I hadn't seen him comment on movies before. I'd love to see it but we probably have to wait for DVD...


7 posted on 12/06/2004 5:49:52 AM PST by GraceCoolidge
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To: billybudd
Check your premises; Contradictions can't exist
8 posted on 12/06/2004 5:50:15 AM PST by Dalite (If PRO is the opposite of CON, What is the opposite of PROgress? Go Figure....)
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To: cwiz24

I don't think he is so much analyzing the movie as the psychology of the human reaction to it. Besides, he's wrong. People love Batman and he has no special powers. ;)


9 posted on 12/06/2004 5:50:33 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: GraceCoolidge

It was great. My Kids loved it.


10 posted on 12/06/2004 5:51:10 AM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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barf-o-rama

It was a cute family-oriented flick.

11 posted on 12/06/2004 5:51:18 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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I saw the movie and while I didn't think it was that great, I went to the theatre for some mindless entertainment. And that's what I got. I can't stand it when people read too much into things.


12 posted on 12/06/2004 5:52:21 AM PST by cwiz24 (Hey Democrats---Now who's ya daddy?)
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To: billybudd
this rogue attempts to bring the “fire of the gods” to man by means of a technology that gives everyone the Incredibles’ powers

To note the error in this conclusion, merely subsititute the word 'government' for techonology. That is the message of the movie, the inherent wrongness of egalatarianism.

13 posted on 12/06/2004 5:52:56 AM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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Rand did a creditable job of acknowledging the little guy in Atlas Shrugged (e.g. a mechanic in who's workmanlike motions she saw poetry). But the worship of the very talented was disturbing. It was less disturbing when I first read the book 20 years ago, and was pretty sure I was very talented.


14 posted on 12/06/2004 5:55:53 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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To: billybudd

Just a great, fun, cartoon based movie. Nothing more.


15 posted on 12/06/2004 5:57:23 AM PST by IonInsights
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To: hobbes1
He has it exactly backwards.

You're right. The author has it way-wrong. Syndrome's plan was not to make super-powers egalitarian. His plan was to use his technology to kill all others with super-powers, leaving only himself with power.

16 posted on 12/06/2004 5:58:07 AM PST by pjd
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To: billybudd

I agree, the writer is taking deconstruction too far here, but I agree that making Syndrome a bad guy in a sense picks on genius for getting too uppity and not knowing its (non) superhero place.


17 posted on 12/06/2004 5:58:14 AM PST by Kerfuffle
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a competing narrative: one of special people born with unearned gifts and of regular people who must make do with what they have

When did Howard Roark "earn" his architectural insight? He worked hard to develop the skills, but he was born with his talent. Peter Keating could never have been a Roark, no matter how much effort he put into it.

Rand's characters are effectively humanistic demi-gods.

18 posted on 12/06/2004 5:58:33 AM PST by TigerTale ("An America that is a force for democratic change is a very dangerous foe indeed."--Victor D. Hansen)
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To: L98Fiero
He has a super utility belt.

In the movie the Incredibles the character of Buddy points out that their are superheroes without superpowers.
19 posted on 12/06/2004 6:00:16 AM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: billybudd

Man, what I wouldn't give to be an unemployed blogger with hours and hours and hours of free time.


20 posted on 12/06/2004 6:00:38 AM PST by LanaTurnerOverdrive
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