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Big cooperation between Peugeot, Citroen, and Ford in the conception of engines.
PSA Peugeot Citroen compagny. ^ | 12/16/2004 | PSA/ford group press release.

Posted on 12/18/2004 3:09:08 AM PST by Champs elysees

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To: ken5050
And why do you suppose that Peugeot didn't have a large enough sales base to make it worthwhile to stay in the American market? If you cannot capture a viable market share, it says something. Even Jaguar with it horrible reputation for reliability was able to compete here.
21 posted on 12/18/2004 5:30:54 AM PST by SolutionsOnly (but some people really NEED to be offended...)
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To: SolutionsOnly

"French" and "car" don't go together ?

Let me have a smile :

Peugeot-Citroen group

The second-largest carmaker in Europe with a 15.4% market share, PSA Peugeot Citroën sold more than 3.28 million vehicles worldwide in 2003.

With its two broadline marques - Peugeot and Citroën - and a rich automobile and industrial history, the Group has set three objectives for the years ahead: 1) develop useful innovation focused on protecting the environment, enhancing comfort and improving safety; 2) increase sales, in part through stepped-up international development (targeting sales of more than four 4 million vehicles from 2006; and 3) secure profitable growth to finance capital investment from cash flow and remain independent.



The Renault group

The Renault group has over 350 industrial and commercial sites in over 40 countries, and employs 130,740 people worldwide. In 2003, the group generated revenues of EUR37.5 billion, an increase of 3.8%.
The group's profitable growth strategy is based on three main priorities: competitiveness, innovation and international development. Renault's alliance with Nissan (Renault increases its stake in Nissan from 36.8% to 44.4 %)
- 5,357,315 vehicles sold in 2003, one of the world's top five automobile manufacturers - is part and parcel of this strategy.



lol... You are a liar, or not enough informed.


22 posted on 12/18/2004 5:35:21 AM PST by Champs elysees (Don't be stupid....)
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To: ken5050
I replaced the full set (of four) at approximately 250,000 miles - not because of problems - just to be cautious.

Also, when Mercedes-Benz decided to bring the "Baby Benz" into the US in 1984, all of the 190Ds had engine block (not dip-stick) heaters installed for cold weather starting. As the forumlation of diesel fuel has changed over the years ... now having far less parafin ... they have not been used in several years.

23 posted on 12/18/2004 5:39:27 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: Champs elysees
I dunno, Edenic Leas, they look nice but French l'autos have acquired a well deserved reputation on this side of the pond for poor reliability and nonexistent logistic support. Add to that the screaming performance of a 1.4 litre diesel.

With France's most successful politicians making gratuitous anti-Americanism the centerpiece of their (soi-disant ) political "philosphe" and this might not be a good time to stage a reentry into the North American market.

24 posted on 12/18/2004 5:40:22 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS", Fake But Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: RangerM
Yes, it makes good sense. But the "greens" can be activitsts at times. :)

By the bye, available now in Canada is diesel fuel having less sulfur. This will be available widely in the US beginning in 2006 ... meaning that diesels will have reduced pollution.

Also, in Europe is the Mercedes-Benz "A Class" - the four cylinder diesel that gets over 60 mpg ... !

25 posted on 12/18/2004 5:45:08 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: Champs elysees

I never said they didn't try. They just couldn't compete in the US market. As far as building a lot of cars is concerned, the Russians also built a lot of cars, so 'that don't impress me much'.


26 posted on 12/18/2004 5:50:10 AM PST by SolutionsOnly (but some people really NEED to be offended...)
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To: RangerM

PSA Peugeot Citroën is committed to cutting greenhouse gas emissions, an objective it considers to be a strategic priority. Already recognised as a reference in the development of advanced diesel and petrol engines, the Group has introduced key technological innovations, including HDi high-pressure direct injection diesel engines, the associated systems to control pollutant emissions, and direct injection petrol engines that respect the environment while enhancing driving pleasure.


European leader in diesel engines
Thanks to an innovation strategy focusing on the engine itself and on pollution control technology, PSA Peugeot Citroën has forged a reputation as the leading diesel manufacturer in Europe.

In the early 1990s, diesel engines were criticised for excessive noise and vibration, and for their polluting particulate emissions. PSA Peugeot Citroën responded by pursuing research to develop a new generation of high pressure direct injection diesel engines using common rail technology. Since their launch in 1998, more than 4 million HDi engines have been produced. Their success is based on:


- Fuel consumption 20% lower than a prechamber diesel engine, resulting in an equivalent reduction in CO2 emissions
- Enhanced driveability thanks to torque available at low engine speed, with noise and vibration levels comparable to those of a petrol engine
- Excellent environmental performance thanks to the precise combustion control of common-rail technology and efficient pollution control systems.
This technology, which is at the cutting edge of efforts to reduce fuel consumption, was combined in 2000 with a new pollution control system, the diesel particulate filter system, that traps all diesel particles - whatever their size - and reduces emissions to barely measurable levels (0.004 g/km, the equivalent of a petrol engine). In a world first, the diesel particulate filter system (DPFS) was introduced on the Peugeot 607. It now equips the Peugeot 307, 406 and 807, and the Citroën C5 and C8. In time, it will be offered on all Peugeot and Citroën models.

Over the first nine months of 2003, sales of vehicles with very low CO2 emissions (equal to or less than 120g of CO2 per km) represented almost a quarter of the Group's diesel sales in Europe.

The PSA Peugeot Citroën range of diesel engines:
The 1.4 HDi 90 bhp, one of the least polluting engines, with CO2 emissions of 110g per km or less;
The 1.6 HDi 110 bhp, fitted as standard with the DPFS;
The 2.0 HDi 136 bhp;
The 2.2 HDi 136 bhp;
The V6 HDi 2.7 l 200 bhp, first mounted on the Jaguar S-Type.
All the Group's diesel engines, apart from the 2.2 l 136 bhp, have been developed in partnership with the Ford Motor Company under a cooperation agreement with PSA Peugeot Citroën.

Pollution control systems
Regulations governing automobile emissions currently cover four pollutants: carbon monoxide (CO), nitrogen oxides (NOx), unburned hydrocarbons (HC) and particles. In early 2000, PSA Peugeot Citroën ushered in a new era of clean diesels with a Peugeot 607 featuring the world's first HDi diesel engine equipped with a diesel particulate filter system (DPFS). The system reduces particle emissions to levels that are barely measurable. Thanks to the flexibility of the common rail fuel injection system, the DPFS can be regenerated by burning the trapped particles in a post-injection process. In this way, the system deals with the remaining drawback of diesel engines: the emission of carbon-containing particles. In June 2003, the PSA Peugeot Citroën group celebrated the 500,000th vehicle equipped with a DPFS and announced another revolution: a new generation of maintenance-free particulate filters based on a new "octosquare" filter architecture. The HDi engine has substantially reduced emissions of pollutants, notably CO (down 40%), HCs (down 50%) and particles at source (down 60%). At the same time, CO2 emissions have been cut by 20%.




27 posted on 12/18/2004 5:51:28 AM PST by Champs elysees (Don't be stupid....)
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To: jamaksin

Ah..thanks..I misread the year in your original post..I thought it was 1974..MB had been selling a few diesels in the US for years..quirky little things..like the old SAABs..when you started them up..the vibration was so strong..felt like sitting in a mixmaster...when the gas crisis under Carter hit...oh, those lines..the MD diesels were suddenly the hottest cars in the country..they had 6 months waits..and those had the glow plug issues...expensive repairs...


28 posted on 12/18/2004 5:55:18 AM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her gene pool. Any volunteers?)
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To: SolutionsOnly

Renault is the first importer in Germany.
Peugeot / citroen is the first importer in England.

Renault is in the top five builders(manufacturers).
Peugeot the second-largest carmaker in Europe, before BMW or Mercedes.

Without comment.


29 posted on 12/18/2004 5:57:34 AM PST by Champs elysees (Don't be stupid....)
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To: jamaksin
The Type B will have a diesel hybrid drive trainand will be available in the autumn of 2005.

For more information see http://www.mbusa.com

30 posted on 12/18/2004 6:06:32 AM PST by reg45
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To: jamaksin

As I recall from my days in Germany, the 190D was a staple in the German Taxi fleet, for many of the reasons you state and more.


31 posted on 12/18/2004 6:06:39 AM PST by wita
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To: KeyWest

I have been looking at the TDI for at least three years, what mods have you made, if I may ask. The most visible problem for me is the seat, but that is another story.


32 posted on 12/18/2004 6:10:27 AM PST by wita
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To: Champs elysees

Well, I wish you luck on your sales drive. You might want to opt for the salary option rather than operate on a commission basis, though. Do it for the kids.


33 posted on 12/18/2004 6:30:12 AM PST by SolutionsOnly (but some people really NEED to be offended...)
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To: Champs elysees
I dont give a rat's ass if the french have the five largest auto companies in the world. I still wouldn't buy a french car, and go out of my way not to. Me and a whole lot of other people also.

If the cheese-eating surrender monkeys could make money selling cars in the US, they'd be here.

34 posted on 12/18/2004 6:31:05 AM PST by glockmeister40
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To: SolutionsOnly

But I do not know if peugeot really wants to return in United States now. It was just a question. Renault is already returned to the United States. Some cars are sold under his brands " Infinity and Nissan ".


35 posted on 12/18/2004 6:34:53 AM PST by Champs elysees (Don't be stupid....)
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To: wita

Check Fred's TDI club. Excellent info on TDI's along with the many problems and fixes.
This is the beginners forum.


http://forums.tdiclub.com/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB35


36 posted on 12/18/2004 6:42:09 AM PST by KeyWest
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To: Champs elysees
Hey Chimp..I know you just joined this board on 12/15 to try to improve American/French relations..good luck..Bahahahahahah!


French Road Map

Note: Add one crap weasel bridge

37 posted on 12/18/2004 6:43:34 AM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: wita

Also, after the fixes, the TDI is an exceptional car. Love mine.


38 posted on 12/18/2004 6:44:01 AM PST by KeyWest
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To: KeyWest

Thanks for the info. Don't know why I never thought to look on the web.


39 posted on 12/18/2004 6:59:49 AM PST by wita
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To: reg45
Many thanks ...

A twist here perhaps ... it is not clear if states such as California (where the majority of Mercedes-Benz sales occur), or Massachusetts, or ..., etc., will allow the sale or even the registration of these new diesel-powered automobiles.

40 posted on 12/18/2004 7:16:00 AM PST by jamaksin
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