Posted on 02/19/2005 6:15:11 PM PST by KMC1
He could easily surf over to Free Republic, find the owner's private FReepmails and send them to the Washington Post.
Yup!
See, I told you. He's hysterical.
On balance, that would appear to be the case.
BTTT
So just ZOT him already.
Sounds like you haven't evolved past even the two year old in a sand box phase. At least they learn to take turns. You have to be real anal about Bloggers Row to believe your own position. It was very ambigous as to who could or couldn't use a computer on Bloggers Row. I know, I was there too. I wondered if I could use those too.
Helping them realize its not good for them to keep touching things that don't belong to them is.
And that's your role in the world. Have you won the "Little Tin Yenta Award" yet?
Fund also left the blogger's computer connected to the Wall Street Journal's servers which also just happen to be the servers for the DOW JONES.
Ah, Kevin, tell us if it was signed in....
Oh, that wouldn't be so hysterical would it.
Had the bloggers in bloggers corner not had decency and integrity the problems that John is facing tonight by a little bit of an embarrassing story - would PALE in comparison to the lawsuit that the WSJ could have tapped his butt for...
John is facing? That's hysterical, both funny and exaggerated and so typical of you. The intergrity problem is at your end of the story.
Lawsuit? Please, please tell us why John would be sued by the WSJ? Now remember, you have to determne if he left it signed in.
Well Raoul, he did in fact leave it signed in. And when Bob found the window on his screen that told him he had another 1 hour and 20 minutes left before it would disconnect on its own.
In addition he left his e-mail page at Outlook open as well.
The bloggers were very careful not to open a single one. But about half of us confirmed what Bob asked us to verify...
So to review -
1. He was signed in to the WSJ e-mail server, AND the Dow Jones admin server.
2. I was told by Mr. Cox that a hacker with a third grade education could create great havoc with both of these servers at their disposal and passwords already signed in.
And Raoul honestly - please explain - how do you justify someone using a laptop that doesn't belong to you? Honestly?
Each of us who had been credentialed brought our own laptops, cameras, audio devices, and everything else that use to keep our sites updated. In other words this was all personal property.
In addition there was a large area sponsored by TownHall.com just 30 yards from us that had computers available for people like Fund who didn't have a laptop of their own. And since John had been there since CPAC had opened (he spoke in the first half of the first day) it is clear from how everything was laid out - that he knew what he was doing when he went to mooch someone else's machine.
If that sounds hysterical I do apologize. But Raoul - honestly - if someone walked in off the street into your living room - and started rummaging through your desk, your wife's purse, or your dresser - wouldn't you tell them to cut it out?
Why didn't the guy who owned the laptop tell him to 'cut it out' then?
I mean, as far as I could see, he said it was 'no big deal'.
well all of us bloggers basically got a chuckle out of it and went on our way...
but then he did it again...
to someone else's laptop...and never asked or anything...
You got a chuckle out of it?
Hmmm...I read Michelle Malkin's links before he 'did it again'.
Didn't sound like a chuckle at all.
Sound like a bunch of people getting their knickers in a knot over nothing.
If ye were THAT annoyed about someone using your laptop, just go over and unplug the damn thing.
Problem solved.
The Mac OS X Security panel has controls to keep laptop computers secure -
He could have switched the computer to security mode before he walked away, which requires to password to resume operations. In the worst case scenario - John Fund walking out with his computer - his information would still be secure because it would be FireVault-encrypted and password-protected.
A high-strength security cable like the Kensington MicroSaver is also recommended for "credentialed bloggers".
Who signed it out? How?
Actually, I'm laughing at you. A window telling you that you have time to go isn't good enough. My email server will tell me I have time left on a session, yet when I hit it, I'm already offline.
In addition he left his e-mail page at Outlook open as well.
The bloggers were very careful not to open a single one. But about half of us confirmed what Bob asked us to verify...
Gee, if you only had been so ethical in your post here.
So to review -
1. He was signed in to the WSJ e-mail server, AND the Dow Jones admin server.
2. I was told by Mr. Cox that a hacker with a third grade education could create great havoc with both of these servers at their disposal and passwords already signed in.
Your claim was that the email and the DJ ran on the same servers. You still haven't said anything to make me believe (or others, scroll up) that John's account had access to the ones that run the DOWJONES.
I'm an "expert user" on an application, responsible for process design in my area and I don't have priveledges on even transactions in other areas, let alone editing their process. Yeah right, John Fund's account could raise havoc. He's not an administrator or a super user. Computer security is also aimed at people with legit accounts.
You've put Mr Cox up as an expert witness without any proof he's qualified to speak as an expert. Any chance he's a relative? Does he have any qualifications other than that he agrees with you?
And Raoul honestly - please explain - how do you justify someone using a laptop that doesn't belong to you? Honestly?
Do it all the time. The one's at Kinko's aren't mine, but I use them. Of course, there's an expectation that I pay them. Used a bunch at CPAC and not one was mine. Some were my peer group but the actual owner wasn't there.
What's Fund's expectation at CPAC?
What has the organization made available to reporters in the past? In the past, didn't the bloggers get access to the ones provided for the journalists? I seem to recall that two years ago. And I don't remember either the journalists of CPAC taking a hissy fit.
Each of us who had been credentialed brought our own laptops, cameras, audio devices, and everything else that use to keep our sites updated. In other words this was all personal property.
They may have been credentialed, I'd describe you as certified. "Me, mine, mine, Mom his piece is bigger.....Mom he's looking at me again."
Never disputed that it was private property, but you'd never know that looking at blogger's row. Like I said, having been at CPAC over the years, I wondered if I could get on one. ALSO, it looks like the kind of set up events provide for the press.
In addition there was a large area sponsored by TownHall.com just 30 yards from us that had computers available for people like Fund who didn't have a laptop of their own.
So what, you guys looked to me like an event sponsored area. I'm sure it did to others. An area that pretty much would be provided "regular journalists". Perhaps the problem was you guys got too much respect from CPAC that they afforded you the same type of accomodations?
And since John had been there since CPAC had opened (he spoke in the first half of the first day) it is clear from how everything was laid out - that he knew what he was doing when he went to mooch someone else's machine.
Really Kevin, you're a stalker in addition to a gossip? You know everything that Fund did prior? Where he went and when? You'd have to have that knowledge to say, "...it is clear from how everything was laid out".
Kevin, I saw an attendee mistake a $10 guide at the Washington Times booth for a freebee.
The lady working their very diplomatically informed the person that it was a item for sale. The attendee wasn't demeaned, they were not made to feel embarassed. The whole thing was handled with class. Maybe we can get you an internship with the Times so you can work their booth (behind the scenes, you're not ready to represent anyone but yourself) so you can learn how to handle things without getting hysterical.
If that sounds hysterical I do apologize. But Raoul - honestly - if someone walked in off the street into your living room - and started rummaging through your desk, your wife's purse, or your dresser - wouldn't you tell them to cut it out?
Hysterical, no, but it would be out of character for you.
The situation you describe is far removed from the CPAC facts. So for me to agree with that premise would mean nothing.
Your house wouldn't be confused for a "filing center" and your purse wouldn't be confused with a computer.
Blogger's Row isn't all that different than what is provided journalists, it's called a filing center.
BTW, in those places, journists and crews do cooperate. I've seen it in DC.
I'd have loved to see you even approach Fund face to face about this before you mouthed off. The guy even does have a phone, be a mensch, call first.
You may be taller, but Fund is a bigger man than you.
Bottom line is, if the bloggers want respect, don't act like a baby. LaShawn hasn't, neither has the RedState guy, so stop embarassing the blogger community.
And since John had been there since CPAC had opened (he spoke in the first half of the first day) it is clear from how everything was laid out - that he knew what he was doing when he went to mooch someone else's machine.
Really Kevin, you're a stalker in addition to a gossip? You know everything that Fund did prior? Where he went and when? You'd have to have that knowledge to say, "...it is clear from how everything was laid out".
Kevin, I saw an attendee mistake a $10 guide at the Washington Times booth for a freebee.
The lady working their very diplomatically informed the person that it was a item for sale. The attendee wasn't demeaned, they were not made to feel embarassed. The whole thing was handled with class. Maybe we can get you an internship with the Times so you can work their booth (behind the scenes, you're not ready to represent anyone but yourself) so you can learn how to handle things without getting hysterical.
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The only thing I can think is that there is sone confusion about who this computer belonged to.
I agree, if this was a CPAC computer Fund's actions would merely have been extremely rude.
But this was, as I understand from this and the followup post, Adam Doverspike's own personal, private computer, not one which had been provided by CPAC. And that's the meat of the problem.
Yes it was Adam's computer, no one disputes that. The CPAC Blogger's Row looked like a pool area, LaShawn pretty much befriended Fund and as far as I can tell, Fund didn't behave worse than the norm for a pool filing center.
Was Fund wrong for treating the bloggers as equals?
Do the bloggers who are whining have a clue as to that?
The bloggers are the newbies here, any chance THEY don't get it?
If the bloggers were granted equal status with the press covering the President and filing/writing from the common facilities like everyone else, how long before the "me, mine, mom he's looking at my computer" attitude would disappear? Pretty fast I think because either they'd be ridiculed for childish behavior or they'd just naturally follow the norms of the group.
Have you been an exhibitor at anything like CPAC or a trade show and needed internet access? Even just simple phone access to do your job? I've been the Arrangements guy for such events.
I've crossed paths with Fund over the years, some of it at CPAC, some at Judicial Watch events, and some at public events with the DC Chapter. The guy has always been nice to "the little people" from my observation. People wanted to talk to him and he took the time to listen. And the guy did listen.
So here I see a story about Fund that doesn't fit several observations, by a guy who was not only wrong about something but a real twit about it and it's about an ambigous situation that I saw too. Sorry, but you had to have been there.
OK. so you don't believe in respect for private property (except, I have a sneaking suspicion, your own). Noted.
Is that the best you can do? That's a rather narrow focus, is it because you can't address anything else in the post above?
Note this, I've have a reputation for having pretty much anything someone might need during a protest, blank potsreboard, markers, tape, ty-wraps, scisssors, etc. People go through my bag all the time if I'm not there. It's the norm for the group, we work together. There's an expectation that it available for use, or why bring it. So your suspicions are wrong.
At CPAC, over the years numerous Freepers have had laptops running. People used them because it was in the booth and didn't explicitly ask prior permission. Why? The reasonable expectation is it's there for use. And the people who owned them didn't piss and moan.
Your reply is pretty clear you're absolute on the "me, mine" rather than the circumsttances or the norms. I am curious, roughly what age group do you fit into?
bloggers, whatever the heck they are, need to have a bit thicker skin.
I realize MSM has been trying to frame them as dangerous, but bloggers exist on both sides, and the ones on the other side are indeed posting dangerous lies and distortions.
I wrote a blog, sometime back. Blogs are good, and bad.
What the media really is afraid of, is boards like FR. The internet communications network we have built up over the years is raising money, stopping MSM attempts to control minds and changing the dynamics.
I think the blogs are a small part of a much bigger whole. Now they are feeling threatened by the likes of John Fund.
Ridiculous.
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