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PERSPECTIVES: RISING CO2 LEVELS - THE REASON WHY ~~The earth has a cycle
Wednesday on the Web ^ | February 23, 2004 | Phil Brennan

Posted on 02/24/2005 11:55:28 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

By Phil Brennan

Listen up. This is very important.

The global warming fanatics have fingered rising levels of atmospheric Carbon Dioxide (CO2) - a so-called greenhouse gas alleged to be in the process of shoving the planet in a global microwave and raising sea levels to the point where the world's coastal regions will be submerged.

They blame the rise of  CO2, now about 370 parts per million and rapidly climbing, on us evil humans for using fossil fuels, driving SUVs and barbecuing frankfurters on our backyard grills.   They ignore the proven fact that over millions of years, every time CO2 levels have risen above 200 parts per million, an ice age has occurred. And in past ice ages, we weren't around to cause the levels to rise. Mother Nature did it on her own, and she doesn't drive an SUV.

Some  19,000 of the world's scientists and experts on climatology have signed declarations saying that rising CO2 levels are mankind's fault  is garbage - junk science at its worst, and insist that all the available evidence proves their contention.

In fact, the global warmiacs couldn't be further from the truth. As I argued in my January 12 column last month and in my 1997 investigative report, Global Warming or Globaloney, high levels of COin the atmosphere are indeed a dire warning that something very unpleasant is about to befall our planet and those of us who reside here, but it has nothing to do with global warming but precisely the opposite - it is both the harbinger and the cause of coming  new ice age.

Now comes Robert W. Felix who in his book Not by Fire But By Ice - the Next Ice Age Now argues persuasively that it is not global warming but ocean warming that has kicked up the levels of carbon dioxide.

It's not global warming, he writes, it's ocean warming that is pushing CO2 levels through the roof. Moreover, those skyrocketing levels of CO2, are bringing on a new ice age which is sitting at our front door right now.

Here's how he puts it: "On a related subject, let me ask you. If today's rising carbon dioxide are caused by humans, then what caused the dramatic rise in CO2 levels at the dinosaur extinction?

"Research shows that there was 'a sudden and dramatic rise' in carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere at the dinosaur extinction of 65 million years ago ... today's rise in CO2 levels can be attributed to our warming oceans. After all, the oceans are known as a carbon dioxide "sink," especially when tthe water is cold.

"But as the water warms up, it releases CO2 into the atmosphere. This happens in much the same way that a warm bottle of home-brewed root beer will release CO2. And if you give that CO2 no way to escape, the bottle will explode. We've got it backwards. We've got cause and effect in reverse. The CO2 is not causing global warming. Instead, our warming oceans are releasing CO2 into the atmosphere. It's not global warming, it's ocean warming, and it's leading us into an ice age."

According to Felix, the oceans are warming as the result of widespread underwater volcanic activity which he thoroughly documents is happening. He adds that "We’ve forgotten that this isn’t the first time our seas have warmed. Sea temperatures also shot upward 10º to 18ºF just prior to the last ice age. As the oceans warmed, evaporation increased. The excess moisture then fell to the ground as giant blizzards, giant storms and floods (Noah's Deluge type floods), and a new ice age began."

And he warns, "The same thing is happening today. Underwater volcanic activity in the Arctic Ocean far stronger than anyone ever imagined!

"German-American researchers have discovered more hydrothermal activity at the Gakkel Ridge in the Arctic Ocean than anyone ever imagined.

"The Gakkel ridge is a gigantic volcanic mountain chain stretching beneath the Arctic Ocean. With its deep valleys 5,500 meters beneath the sea surface and its 5,000 meter- high summits, Gakkel ridge is far mightier than the Alps."

"Two research icebreakers, the 'USCGC Healy' from USA and the German 'PFS Polarstern,' recently joined forces in the international expedition AMORE (Arctic Mid-Ocean Ridge Expedition). In attendance were scientists from the Max Planck Institute for Chemistry and other international institutions.

"The scientists had expected that the Gakkel ridge would exhibit "anemic" magnetism. Instead, they found "surprisingly strong magmatic activity in the West and the East of the ridge and one of the strongest hydrothermal activities ever seen at mid-ocean ridges."


"The Gakkel ridge extends about 1800 kilometers beneath the Arctic Ocean from north of Greenland to Siberia, and is the northernmost portion of the mid-ocean ridge system."

"To their surprise, the researchers found high levels of volcanic activity. Indeed, magmatism [extremely hot magma flowing fron eruptions] was "dramatically" higher than expected.

"Hydrothermal hot springs on the seafloor were also far more abundant than predicted.

"We expected this to be a hydrothermally dead ridge, and almost every time our water measurement instrument came up, they showed evidence of hydrothermal activity, and once we even 'saw' an active hot spring on the sea floor," said Dr. Jonathan Snow, the leader of the research group from Munich's Max Planck Institute in a 2003 press release.

Researchers found "Naturally occurring bubbles of liquid carbon dioxide were observed rising from the ocean floor, according to the Associated Press. "For the first time ever, scientists using a camera-equipped submarine have been able to witness an undersea volcano during an eruptive episode.

"Exploring the ocean floor in an area known as the Mariana Trench, last year researchers found bubbles of liquid carbon dioxide being released into the sea, enlarging up to a thousand times and turning to gas as they drifted upward."

El Niño is related to ocean warming "Ice ages looked like El Niño" according to the July 12, 2002 issue of Nature. "During past ice ages," the article says, "the tropical Pacific Ocean behaved rather as it does today in an El Niño event ...Shifts between warm and cool global average temperatures look like super El Niños."

Our seas, heated by underwater volcanism, are leading us directly into the next ice age . . . and we don’t even know it.

"That's what El Niño is all about. Warmer seas send excess moisture into the sky, leading to increased precipitation.

"Worldwide flood activity is the worst since before Christopher Columbus. In Poland, it's the worst in several thousand years. In the U.S., precipitation has increased by more than 20 percent just since 1970. This is no coincidence.

"When that precipitation begins falling in the winter, you have the makings of an ice age."

The book is an easy read, even though it is crammed full of technical detail which he manages to explain even to scientific dunderheads like me. He goes into great detail, for example in explaining why a reversal of the earth's magnetic field helps cause ice ages, as it has in all past ice age onsets, and points out that all previous magnetic reversals were preceded by declining geomagnetic field intensity which is  falling. 

"During the past 2,000 years geomagnetic field intensity has plummeted more than 50 percent. Five percent of that decrease occurred in the past 100 years "- a sign he writes,  experts warn may be a precursor to a new reversal attempt.

Felix emphasizes that the record proves that we are on on the verge of the onset of a new ice age. "Ice ages begin and end abruptly every 11,500 years. First comes an enormous flood, a Noah's Deluge type of flood, which ends the previous ice age. The comes a period of warmth similar to today's ... which lasts about 11,500 years. Then the next ice age begins - catastrophically.

"That 11,500 year cycle of warmth followed by an ice age has returned like clockwork for millions of years. To hope it won't happen again just because humans now inhabit this planet would be wishful thinking."

On his website www.iceagenow.com Felix tracks the number of incidents building up to the onset of an ice age including charting current   underwater volcanic eruptions heating the oceans,  rainfall (think California), temperature, and earthquake records now being broken.

He emphasizes over and over again that the onset of an ice age is both sudden and violent, lasting about 20 years and anyone paying attention to what is happening to our planet will understated that we are probably somewhere in that 20-year period now. When it ends, huge numbers of us will go extinct, just as did the dinosaurs, and as rapidly and as violently.

Let me recap: Felix has demonstrated convincingly that rising levels of CO2 are the result of ocean warming, not because of human activities, and that high levels of CO2 cause vastly increased precipitation which results in vastly increased snowfall in moderate temperature zones and in the polar regions which in turn brings on ice ages. 

In short, he has told us the reason why CO2

levels have gone through the roof, what caused those levels to increase and what the result will be.

Anyone who reads this blockbuster of a book and pays attention to his regularly updated website will understand just what we face, and will come away with a feeling of absolute contempt for those politically inspired global warming advocates who are lulling many of our fellow human beings into dangerous complacency.

The threat is here; the threat is now.

Let me close with something I wrote last month:

"If the current geological holocaust now underway is the result of a natural cycle - in this case as I argue in my study another needed regeneration of the planet, it's not an act of God but an act of nature. Sure God - the author of nature could put a stop to it, but it could well be that He wants us to sit up and take notice - to use the disasters to warn us to straighten up and fly right while there's still time - bad times are a'commin and we had better be ready spiritually.

"We're on notice. Christ told us that those with eyes better see, and those with ears better hear. We had better keep our eyes and ears open. Time's a'wastin."

Deus exaudi nos



TOPICS: Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: climatechange; co2

1 posted on 02/24/2005 11:55:32 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Okay, fine, but what to do?

Certainly not nothing. We know that the climate is changing. How do we adapt asap and with minimal cost.

We cannot let entire populations perish. It is our responsibility to not allow this. So what do to prepare? According to this, the answer is not to stop buring oil, but at least to prepare for the coming changes.


2 posted on 02/24/2005 11:59:09 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (If nothing will change your mind, yes you are an extremist.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Can't fight mother nature...my suggestion, stock up on long underwear


3 posted on 02/24/2005 12:01:07 PM PST by traderrob6 (http://www.exposingtheleft.blogspot.com)
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To: All
Referenced book:

Not by Fire but by Ice: Discover What Killed the Dinosaurs...and Why It Could Soon Kill Us

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The coming of the next ice age, June 30, 2002

Reviewer: Natalie Kilpatrick (Omaha, NE United States) - See all my reviews
After hearing an interview with Robert Felix on a radio show, I desperately wanted this book, but for some reason I just never ordered it. Well, after I finally did, I'm not disappointed in what I read.

Whether you believe that the next ice age is coming or not; and whether you believe that the dinosaurs, mammoths, etc. were wiped out by an ice age or not; there's more to this book than just that.

Mr. Felix goes into great details to explain what scientists theorize makes an ice age happens. He mainly describes polar-magnetic reversals (where the north and south poles flip); nuclear explosions on the sun, earth, and miles above the earth (those creating the Aurora Borealis); earthquakes and earthquake lightes; sudden climatic changes; etc.

The book also tells us how an instantaneous ice age can occur (feet upon feet of snow in hours). Notes are made about when 5 inches of rain falls that can actually add up to 50 inches of snow. He goes on and on about places that have received this much rain in such short periods of time, going on that it can happen with snow, not just rain. The only problem I have with this theory is that when it rains so much, its usually in an isolated area, not hemisphere-wide like he's trying to suggest.

All in all, I think it makes for one hell of a book. It's definitely one that I'm going to keep for years and years to come! But, when it starts snowing... Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Was this review helpful to you?  YesNo(Report this)

4 posted on 02/24/2005 12:02:55 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Corrected internal story link:

IceAgeNow.com

5 posted on 02/24/2005 12:04:51 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Mae West (ice age re-incarnation):  "Is that an icicle in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?"
6 posted on 02/24/2005 12:06:43 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

"...So what do to prepare? According to this, the answer is not to stop buring oil, but at least to prepare for the coming changes..."
First we put up fence to keep out all the canadians.


7 posted on 02/24/2005 12:11:13 PM PST by joshhiggins
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit; traderrob6; SFConservative; Brad's Gramma; onyx; A CA Guy; ...
I am in Southern California, and you may have heard of our weather here, it has been one for the records...we actually have a rain gauge location in the San Gabriel mountains that thus far in this rainy season (three major storms ) has recorded 92 inches, there could be an error, but others in the area show 30, 40 and 50 inches.

See this:

See the amazing precip amount to date for the rain season starting 10-01-2004.

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Locale of the rain gauge:

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8 posted on 02/24/2005 12:22:13 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Thanks!


9 posted on 02/24/2005 12:24:52 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Font problems?


10 posted on 02/24/2005 12:27:25 PM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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To: joshhiggins
First we put up fence to keep out all the Canadians.

Yeah, good idea.

The Mexicans are shorter and smaller, and therefore exhale less CO2.:-)

11 posted on 02/24/2005 12:29:42 PM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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To: Cold Heat
He used Big

on his web site, and it is really Big here, would have been a massive rework of the HTML (Not an HTML expert ) to get it scaled down .

12 posted on 02/24/2005 12:36:04 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Ahhh! I see,,,,,

Thanks for the explanation.

13 posted on 02/24/2005 12:37:42 PM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I have a thirteen inch screen........LOL!


14 posted on 02/24/2005 12:38:20 PM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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To: Cold Heat

There is probably some Block command to override , but I don't know how.


15 posted on 02/24/2005 12:39:22 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Cold Heat

If you are using Firefox you can reduce the size ...course the
small print gets really small!


16 posted on 02/24/2005 12:41:22 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Geology News
AMORE learns to love the Gakkel Ridge November 29, 2001

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Contrary to expectations, the Gakkel Ridge (Arctic Ocean) the world's slowest spreading mid-ocean ridge, may be very exciting indeed

Moreover its surprisingly active volcanism could include a field of undersea vents, ("black smokers") which could in turn support previously unknown species of marine life, reporters have been told.

The findings were among a range of discoveries made by researchers aboard the US Coast Guard Cutter Healy, an icebreaker equipped for science, and a companion German research vessel, the Polarstern, in late August, early in a nine-week cruise to the Gakkel Ridge, Earth's least volcanically active mid-ocean ridge. 

"We accomplished easily a factor of two more than we planned" said Peter Michael, of the University of Tulsa, the U.S. chief scientist on the National Science Foundation (NSF) funded Arctic Mid-Ocean Ridge Expedition (AMORE). Michael and other AMORE researchers discussed their findings at a news conference yesterday at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. 

Among other important milestones from the cruise, scientists discovered an as yet unexplained "discontinuity" of volcanic activity along the Gakkel Ridge. Because the southern end of the ridge is spreading relatively quickly and the northern end extremely slowly, the researchers expected volcanic activity to gradually die out as they sailed north. Instead, there were irregular pockets of activity as the cruise moved northwards. 

They said they were also pleased to discover that they were able to map the ridge in great detail from the Healy because the vessel was much quieter when breaking ice than expected. 

"Our maps show that this ridge is tectonically very different than other ridges, the rift valley is close to a mile deeper with many enormous long-lived faults", explained Henry Dick, an expedition co-chief scientist from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution. "This likely accounts for why so many hydrothermal plumes were found here." 

Prior to the AMORE cruise most scientists expected little recent volcanic activity and scant evidence for hydrothermal vents, the deep-sea hot springs that host oases of life on the deep seafloor. Instead, sampling sites revealed abundant fresh lava and multiple signs of hydrothermal activity. 

Most surprisingly, a dredge team, led by Jeffrey Standish, a graduate student at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, recovered fresh sulphides that apparently are part of "black smoker" chimneys, the most striking manifestation of hydrothermal activity. The find was verified by a camera and sensor package lowered to the seafloor from the Polarstern that showed intact sulphide chimneys and recorded warm water vents. The expedition proposed the name "Aurora" for the vent field

"We found more hydrothermal activity on this cruise than in 20 years of exploration on the mid-Atlantic Ridge" said Charles Langmuir, co-chief scientist on Healy from Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory (LDEO) at Columbia University. 

While the heated water from the hydrothermal vents does not significantly affect ocean temperatures, the vents have attracted the attention of both biologists and geologists. Hydrothermal vents on mid-ocean ridges in the world's oceans provide chemical energy that supports exotic life forms and large ecosystems far removed from the Earth's sunlit surface, where photosynthesis forms the base of the food chain. "Our discovery of these signals clearly show that hydrothermal vents similar to those present on faster spreading mid-ocean ridges are present in abundance here, too" said AMORE researcher Henrietta Edmonds of the University of Texas. 

AMORE mapped and sampled the Gakkel Ridge which, extends 1100 miles from north of Greenland to Siberia, all of it beneath the Arctic ice cap. The ridge is the deepest and most remote portion of the global mid-ocean ridge system, where new ocean crust is continuously created as seafloor spreading takes place through volcanic activity. Many theories about seafloor spreading can be tested only on a slow-spreading ridge like the Gakkel. Geologists, oceanographers and biologists on both ships recovered numerous samples of rocks, mud, water as well as organisms from the seafloor that they will analyze in their labs. 

The Arctic Ocean's isolation from major ocean basins has led scientists to debate whether ecosystems on Gakkel Ridge would more resemble those from the Atlantic or Pacific Oceans, or whether they would have evolved separately. "These exciting discoveries on Gakkel Ridge pave the way for future expeditions that will map the vents and may discover completely new organisms" Michael said. 

The AMORE research was the first full science expedition for HEALY after an extensive four-month program of icebreaking and science equipment testing in the Arctic last year. 


17 posted on 02/24/2005 12:47:01 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I have no clue either, how to adjust it.

I usually have multiple windows open,and when I clicked the thread, it come up with about three or four words per line and about forty feet long! ROFL!

18 posted on 02/24/2005 12:47:22 PM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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To: Cold Heat

Do you use the Firefox browser?


19 posted on 02/24/2005 12:50:25 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
>Listen up. This is very important


20 posted on 02/24/2005 12:54:25 PM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I have it,but it fails to interface properly with my touch pad. It makes it too hard to compose. I cannot get it to work, even with all the optional downloads.

I can adjust font sizes on Explorer as well. I have them set so that I can use the small screen, so it is reduced in size a bit to get more on the page.

As to security, I really find little difference between the two. My popup controller works fine and I have had no intrusions that got past my other security.

21 posted on 02/24/2005 12:55:50 PM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
BTW, I tested security last night, and was found to be good. I am essentially invisible, but have some ports that returned responses yet could not be breached. This is due to my home network. I can cut back on the numbers of ports however, and plan to do so. There are only about twelve.

I can cut that to less than six.

22 posted on 02/24/2005 1:00:16 PM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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Geology News
No hole at the Pole October 17, 2001

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A major collaborative expedition to the waters of the North Pole has brought new insights into the structure of the Gakkel Ridge, and shown that rumours of the North Polar Ice Cap's death have been grossly exaggerated

The polar research vessels RV Polarstern and USCGC Healy returned after a ten week successful expedition to the high arctic regions.

Together with the new US Coast Guard icebreaker, the USCGC Healy, the Polarstern, run by the Alfred Wegener Institute for Polar and Sea Research (AWI) explored the Gakkel Ridge, the most northerly extension of the Mid-Atlantic submarine mountain chain during a combined AMORE-expedition (Arctic Mid-Ocean Ridge Expedition). Both ships managed to reach the North Pole - exactly 10 years after RV Polarstern and the Swedish icebreaker Oden had steamed to this magic location.

For the first time an important part of the geologically active Gakkel Ridge has been mapped and sampled – and with the highest precision, according to Jörn Thiede, director of AWI,  and chief-scientist on the expedition.

The 1800km long Gakkel Ridge represents the most northerly extension of a 60,000 km long globe-encircling submarine volcanic mountain chain named the Mid Ocean Ridge System. Through the central fissures of the Mid Ocean Ridges magma forms in the earth's mantle and extrudes on to the sea floor, thus forming new oceanic crust.

The Ridge systems represent the borders of about a dozen of  plates, making up the entire Earth's crust, which resembles the seamed surface of a soccer ball. Spreading rates of the diverging plate boundaries can be as much as 10 to 20cm per year, (East Pacific Ridge), though much lower rates are known.

The Gakkel Ridge, situated in the central part of the eastern north Polar Sea forms the most northerly boundary between Eurasia and North America. At the same time it represents the ridge segment with the lowest known spreading rates – less than 1cm per year on the average. The northern Atlantic ocean and the eastern Arctic ocean formed in early Tertiary period, i.e., during the last 55 Ma or so. These two oceans and the Northern boundaries of Europe are therefore geologically young, explains Jörn Thiede, a specialist in palaeoceanography.

For the first time, as a result of this expedition, ocean geologists now have precise maps of the Gakkel Ridge.  “During the AMORE cruise the western part of the Gakkel Ridge has been mapped, measured and sampled precisely by both the Healy and the Polarstern in a combined effort. We now have a clear picture of this submarine mountain chain, which has for a long time been nameless and mysterious: below a deceptive, drifting Arctic sea-ice cover, a mountain chain is hidden which in places rises thousands of meters over the neighbouring deep sea basins. The crest is divided by an elongated, narrow and not continuous rift valley, where dramatic volcanic processes recently occurred.” says Thiede.

The region has not wanted for attention.  In 1999, during the SCICEX-program (Scientific Ice Experiment), US nuclear submarines were used to do research under the Arctic sea-ice and studied the Gakkel Ridge using Side-Scan Sonar, discovering - in the centre of the Gakkel Ridge, at 85° East -  evidence of submarine volcanic eruptions.

The Gakkel Ridge is the ideal place to test present models of global sea floor spreading on ultra slow ridges, says Dr. Wilfried Jokat (AWI). “A preliminary evaluation of seismic data shows pronounced variations in crustal thickness along the Gakkel Ridge. The crustal thickness values do not reflect any model predictions, varying between two and six kilometres. Apparently in a few places mantle rocks are displayed within the rift valley and are altered exclusively by penetrating seawater and resulting hydrothermal convection cells.”

Also spectacular are the seismic profiles through the bordering deep-sea basins. They allow, for the first time, a clear estimation of the variations in thickness of the oceanic basement, which is covered by kilometre-thick sediments. Following precise bathymetric measurements the Polarstern and the Healy have revealed the existence of complex volcanic cones in many areas of the Gakkel Ridge.

These measurements also clearly demonstrate, says Jokat, that the central Gakkel Ridge rift valley is deeper than any other mid-ocean ridge valley known on Earth. “This is clearly controlled by its slow spreading rate. Furthermore, it appears that an unexpectedly high number of volcanoes can be seen in the rift valley. These phenomena are revealed by the high quality of our bathymetric maps, which allow a surprising view of the structure of this ridge and thus clearly constitute one of the most spectacular results of our journey.”

The work of rock sampling and sediment coring in the vicinity of the Gakkel Ridge was truly "done by hand". Sampling rocks was done by dredging or with the help of a giant TV-controlled grab. Sediments were recovered using a gravity and kasten corer. The results of the sampling campaign were excellent, and helped to throw considerable light upon the origin and nature of the Gakkel Ridge. Some scientists had predicted that the Ridge had expected to sample mainly peridotites - rocks from the Earth’s mantle – emplaced on the sea floor by tectonic processes.  “However, instead of peridotites the samples brought up mainly basalts, which struck me absolutely by surprise” says Dr. Jonathan Snow of MPI Mainz.

Sediment cores recovered from close to the Siberian shelf also give new insights into glacial history. It now appears that the glacial maximum in Northern Siberia happened some ten thousand years before the maximum observed in Scandinavia and the Alps, (which took place before 20,000 years) explains Dr. Robert Spielhagen from GEOMAR Research Centre in Kiel, Germany. “We intend, with our investigations on the sediment cores, to date the arrival of the glacial maximum on the Arctic Ocean and show that the resulting melting waters influenced oceanic circulation and the world's climate.”

Another discovery of the expedition was that the Central North Polar Sea is indeed permanently covered by sea ice. Last year, however, news focused public attention on a giant open water pit that opened at the North Pole – trumpeted (wrongly) as an impressive proof of the effects of global warming. AWI specialists believe that such open water pits, called polynia, exist every summer in great numbers within the sea ice cover, and are nothing unusual.

Therefore one of the goals of this expedition was the observation of variations in sea ice thickness and distribution in the Arctic Ocean, and to compare this to data from 1991 and 1998. “The ice is back. We saw normal conditions this summer on the North Pole, kilometre-wide large ice flows with numerous small and larger polynias in between. The ice was already covered by fresh snow and on the water new ice was forming relatively early compared to previous seasons. The sea ice thickness however, was less than our previous measurements, 2m compared to 2.5m in 1991” according to Dr. Christian Haas from the AWI, head of the ice researcher group.


24 posted on 02/24/2005 1:08:01 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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Antarctic cycles could aid warming prediction October 18, 2001

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New research, extending our knowledge of climatic cycles into the early Neogene, could aid predictions in 21st century climate systems

Research by Professor Jaap van der Meer, of Queen Mary, University of London's Geography department, and colleagues, could lead to more accurate predictions on the future of climate change.

The Cape Roberts Project, initiated in 1997 and whose research is published today (18 October) in Nature, was a major international research scheme involving thirty-three scientists from all over the world .  The scientists examined clues to Antarctica's history hidden in the sediments from the sea-bed at Cape Roberts, off the coast of Victoria Land (Antarctica), in an attempt to extend our knowledge of climatic cyclicity back many millions of years.

Between 15 and 34Ma ago when the temperature on earth was 3-4ºC hotter than today and atmospheric CO2 concentrations were twice as high as they are now, the Antarctic ice sheet varied considerably in size. The Cape Roberts Project researchers have been able to show that between 24.1 and 23.7 Ma ago (the base of the Neogene), the massive East Antarctic ice sheet expanded and contracted regularly relative to the variances in the Earth's orbit around the Sun, producing changes in sea level of up to 60m.

The new research focused on sediment data from rock cores from the seabed of Western Ross Sea, drilled between 1997 and 1999. Using this material, researchers were able to calibrate the inferred changes in ice volume with direct evidence for oscillations of the Antarctic ice sheet.

Professor van der Meer said: "We have always assumed that the Antarctic ice sheet oscillated, now we know that it did and at what frequency. This provides a much better tool for predicting its future behaviour".


25 posted on 02/24/2005 1:10:09 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Bttt!


26 posted on 02/24/2005 1:11:27 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; blam; SunkenCiv; farmfriend; RadioAstronomer; Carry_Okie; ...
PLEASE ADJUST your screens for this message:

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It has been a natural thing for the oceans to rise and fall 60 meters, 180 feet, the earth has been warmer....WELL!!!

Where is the Media on this message????

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Between 15 and 34Ma ago when the temperature on earth was 3-4ºC hotter than today and atmospheric CO2 concentrations were twice as high as they are now, the Antarctic ice sheet varied considerably in size. The Cape Roberts Project researchers have been able to show that between 24.1 and 23.7 Ma ago (the base of the Neogene), the massive East Antarctic ice sheet expanded and contracted regularly relative to the variances in the Earth's orbit around the Sun, producing changes in sea level of up to 60m.

27 posted on 02/24/2005 1:24:45 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: theFIRMbss

ROFL!


28 posted on 02/24/2005 1:25:43 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

AKKK, my eyes! Great research Ernest, but if I want to read it, I have to adjust my font size to the smallest size, then readjust it back to medium to read the comments. Is there a way to shrink the fonts back to normal?


29 posted on 02/24/2005 2:24:50 PM PST by bd476
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To: bd476

Probably best to go to the site..... not the way to write HTML, unless one is trying to discourage copying....but I thought we should capture it cause it is important and stuff has a way of disappearing .....


30 posted on 02/24/2005 2:36:07 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Unghhh... My eyes.

Thanks


31 posted on 02/24/2005 2:36:23 PM PST by Jack of all Trades
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To: phoenix0468

fyi


32 posted on 02/24/2005 2:39:42 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
We cannot let entire populations perish. It is our responsibility to not allow this. So what do to prepare? According to this, the answer is not to stop buring oil, but at least to prepare for the coming changes.

Designing systems that motivate adaptive response while accounting for risks is a good start.

33 posted on 02/24/2005 3:20:28 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
34 posted on 02/24/2005 4:56:22 PM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulations. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Nice advertisement for someone's book. Are you a friend of his?

Here's a clue... Before you can have an ice age, you need to evaporate a lot of sea water. A whole lot.

We haven't even started.


35 posted on 02/24/2005 5:00:24 PM PST by Outland (Global warming: The hottest scam on the planet.)
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To: Outland
Nice advertisement for someone's book. Are you a friend of his?

I am not a friend, do not know the author. But it was referenced and I though it might be useful to include something about it. Do you object?

36 posted on 02/24/2005 6:53:19 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Okay, Everybody quit breathing for 5 minutes every hour. That ought to slow down the CO2 buildup and reverse this killer trend.


37 posted on 02/24/2005 7:03:51 PM PST by Diver Dave (Stay Prayed Up)
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To: bd476
This is important stuff, but I apologize for bothering you again, but I do have some pictures from here:

The Antarctic Ice Sheet is Growing Thicker

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Not by Fire but by Ice

THE NEXT ICE AGE - NOW!

 

The Antarctic Ice Sheet is Growing Thicker

 

 
 
  These two photos, taken in the late 1980s, show that the Antarctic Ice Sheet is growing thicker.  
     

Construction Crane Buried in Ice Sheet

     
   
     
  • In the mid 1960s, ITT built a power transmission line in Antarctica. The transmission towers stood 115 feet tall.
  • As you can see in these photos, all but the top 30 feet of the towers are now buried in ice.
  • And the crane used to build the towers will soon be totally covered by ice. (By the way. If you know what kind of crane this is, or how tall it is, please let me know.)
  • Not only are the power transmission towers being buried, so are the Antarctic research stations themselves.
  • The old Byrd Station has been shut down because it is buried beneath 40 to 50 feet of ice and snow. It is slowly being crushed.
  • The old South Pole station is also buried beneath the ice.
  • So is the old Siple station.
  • The current South Pole station is also slowly being buried. A new station is now being built on top of the ice to replace it.
This info comes from Robert Holmes. Mr Holmes travels to Antarctica yearly, where he builds and maintains research stations. His web address is http://theice.org

  • The Antarctic Ice Sheet covers five million square miles. The Greenland Ice Sheet covers another 700,000 square miles. Combined, they're twice as big as the contiguous United States. Combined, they're 100 times bigger than all the rest of the world's glaciers put together.
  • Glaciers are growing in other areas, too. Some glaciers on Canada's Baffin Island are as large or larger than at any time during the past 33,000 years; perhaps the past 60,000 years.
  • In fact, glaciers are growing around the world. 
    See list of expanding glaciers.
  • The next ice age has begun . . . and we don't even know it.

     
 

Transmission Towers Buried in Ice Sheet

 
 
 
     
 
If you or someone you know has seen these towers - or actually worked on them - I'd love to hear from you.
 

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38 posted on 02/24/2005 7:16:31 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks for the ping. Ice core data show that CO2 levels have risen *after* glaciation ended and the world warmed, lagging by hundreds of years, IOW, the CO2 rose as a byproduct of warming, not the other way.


39 posted on 02/24/2005 10:29:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Sunday, February 20, 2005.)
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To: SunkenCiv

That would be another theory....this is all getting crazy...


40 posted on 02/24/2005 10:34:59 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Do you object?"

Nope. It's just that I've seen Felix's book mentioned so many times on FR that I think he should contribute for advertising.. unless he is already. :)

I believe that much of what Felix says is basically correct. I just don't agree with his time scale. In any case, I applaud his efforts at helping to trash the "warmiacs" who's pseudoscience is way off the mark.

The down side is that any perspective sounds suspect when someone is trying to sell a book.
41 posted on 02/25/2005 1:00:09 AM PST by Outland (Global warming: The hottest scam on the planet.)
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To: farmfriend

BTTT!!!!!!


42 posted on 02/25/2005 3:07:31 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Libertarianize the GOP

These photos from Antartica cause doubt on whether the Earth is warming.....


43 posted on 02/25/2005 7:41:48 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

There aren't as many actual dictators as there use to be so the current wannabe has to create a crisis in order to justify manipulating world events.


44 posted on 02/25/2005 7:57:14 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: Libertarianize the GOP

Maybe it is George Soros behind the curtain.


45 posted on 02/25/2005 8:17:19 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Soros is only one of many wannabes
46 posted on 02/25/2005 8:33:50 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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