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Kerry To Sign The 180?
captainsquarters ^ | March 20, 2005 | Captain Ed

Posted on 03/21/2005 3:21:15 PM PST by swilhelm73

Mickey Kaus and Instapundit both point to a Philadelphia Inquirer analysis of John Kerry's political activities since his loss in last year's elections, which suggests that the Senator may request the complete release of his military records at last:

For Kerry, indignities abound. He trails Hillary Rodham Clinton in every 2008 survey. The other day, he was assailed by Clinton aide Ann Lewis for running "an inconsistent campaign." Indeed, in focus groups conducted this winter by Democratic strategists, he was still seen as indecisive; one participant said, "He's the guy that holds up the line at McDonald's." And he's been dogged by bloggers who want him to authorize the release of all his military records, to clear up questions raised in 2004. He told NBC on Jan. 30 that he would sign military form SF-180 to do so, but he hasn't yet. Most of the heat has come from conservatives, but Democratic blogger Mickey Kaus also is on the case, urging party brethren to "remove this increasingly pathetic figure from our national stage." (The word in Washington is that Kerry will sign the form soon.)

Mickey asks what will happen if nothing interesting develops from the release, but that would wind up outraging his supporters even further. Just as his leftover $15 million left them wondering if that money could have made the difference in Ohio, a release of squeaky-clean records will cause Democrats to wonder why Kerry blocked their release throughout his entire campaign and caused such controversy over their contents.

No, this is a smart move by Kerry, one of the few he's made. He will sign off on the release three years ahead of the start of the primary season, plenty of time for whatever bad news in the file to be assimilated and then discounted by the true believers. The problem with releasing them a year ago was the proximity of a release to the primary vote, and then after that to the general election. It wouldn't have been an issue at all, of course, if Terry McAuliffe hadn't made the mistake of accusing George Bush of desertion during his service and continuing to use that smear for months afterward. That made a complete release by Kerry impossible.

My best analysis, furthered by sources which I cannot name, is that Kerry's file contains a less-than-honorable discharge from the 1971-72 period that his later 1978 discharge overrode. With three years between a revelation such as that and any voting, Kerry could eventually sell voters on the idea that the times in which that discharge occurred reflected the deep divisions in America, etc etc. If he runs to Hillary Clinton's left, which appears inevitable unless he changes his name to Joe Lieberman, that could convince the International ANSWER/MoveOn crowd of his viability -- but they'll be the only ones. They might well get him either to the top of the ticket, but if he couldn't beat Bush, there's no way in Hell he could beat any other Republican candidate in 2008.

Assuming, of course, that Kerry really signs the 180 and isn't just trying to blow the issue off again.


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KEYWORDS: form180; kerry; kerrylies; militaryrecord

1 posted on 03/21/2005 3:21:16 PM PST by swilhelm73
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To: swilhelm73

Kerry is so pathetic! Do we need to start mailing him Sf180's again?


2 posted on 03/21/2005 3:24:50 PM PST by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com JUST UPDATED)
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To: swilhelm73

I'll believe it when I see it. :)


3 posted on 03/21/2005 3:25:18 PM PST by Chena
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To: swilhelm73

I hope Kerry wins the nom in 08.


4 posted on 03/21/2005 3:26:27 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: swilhelm73
Yeah..squeaky clean! He's got poo poo undies and there's no gettin' away from the stench!

{and yes the Young Frankenstein allusion is purposeful as are his shorts}

5 posted on 03/21/2005 3:26:39 PM PST by Young Werther
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To: swilhelm73; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

ping


6 posted on 03/21/2005 3:28:26 PM PST by The Mayor (http://www.RusThompson.com)
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To: swilhelm73
He won't sign it....

Not unless he can run them through Dan's fax to sanitize them. They contain something that he doesn't want the public to see. Otherwise, he would have signed the form in '04. Unless he can restrict their distribution, he won't, he can't politically afford to release them.

Remember how he nuanced around with Russert, both in April of '04 and in February of '05. He tried to imply that he had 'released all the documents he had received.' That didn't mean he had received all the documents; just that he had released those that he had received. He tried to play word games, and Russet won't take him to task.
7 posted on 03/21/2005 3:30:38 PM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: swilhelm73

You see, this way if he does they can dump it out there beneath the furor over Terri Schiavo and nobody will even notice.

I wouldn't hold my breath on his doing it, either.


8 posted on 03/21/2005 3:31:17 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: swilhelm73
My best analysis, furthered by sources which I cannot name, is that Kerry's file contains a less-than-honorable discharge from the 1971-72 period

I think there's a fair amount of evidence to reach that conclusion. Why on earth would he not sign the form (like President Bush did) if there was nothing negative to be released? Surely he didn't have a sudden, and isolated attack of principles.
9 posted on 03/21/2005 3:32:02 PM PST by andyk
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To: swilhelm73; Cool Multiservice Soldier; OneLoyalAmerican; Defender2; The Sailor; txradioguy; ...

Whoever in the US Senate that gave Hanoi Kerry
a Top Secret Clearance HAS seen all his military records.

The FBI, since 9/11, does non military clearances.

His most recent one who have been in the spring/summer of '04
when he won the dims's nomination against President Bush.

NO ONE gets a Top Secret Clearance WITHOUT agreeing to have all your records released.

OR pass a FULL FBI check when someone
runs for the highest elected
office in th ecountry.

Does the DC crowd think "We the People" are stupid?


10 posted on 03/21/2005 3:38:06 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On " FReepers. They want to give Hanoi Kerry a free pass? mmmm WHY?)
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To: swilhelm73

I hope he signs it and NOTHING incriminating is found. Then we will all see how stupid and obstinate he is, holding back the records purely because someone was demanding he release them, and NO ONE tells JFK what to do! And also, the stage will be set for him to go up against HRC. I love seeing Demrats eat their young, I do, I do.


11 posted on 03/21/2005 3:46:08 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Agnostic for life)
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To: swilhelm73

Obviously I meant "their own" and not "their young." :)


12 posted on 03/21/2005 3:46:47 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Agnostic for life)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Does the DC crowd think "We the People" are stupid?

Yes, they do. And why shouldn't they? Do we have his records yet? Do we know a sure-fire way to get them?

Excuse my negativitiy tonight. Don't be surprised if it lasts awhile.

13 posted on 03/21/2005 3:47:09 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
As James Taranto referred to kerry in Wall Street Journal, Best of the Web today:

The haughty, French-looking Massachusetts Democrat, who by the way promised 50 days ago to release his military records.

14 posted on 03/21/2005 3:59:17 PM PST by glock rocks (For the love of all that's good and decent, don't try this at home.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; PhilDragoo; devolve; Happy2BMe


From the article:

My best analysis, furthered by sources which I cannot name, is that Kerry's file contains a less-than-honorable discharge from the 1971-72 period that his later 1978 discharge overrode. With three years between a revelation such as that and any voting, Kerry could eventually sell voters on the idea that the times in which that discharge occurred reflected the deep divisions in America, etc etc. If he runs to Hillary Clinton's left, which appears inevitable unless he changes his name to Joe Lieberman, that could convince the International ANSWER/MoveOn crowd of his viability -- but they'll be the only ones. They might well get him either to the top of the ticket, but if he couldn't beat Bush, there's no way in Hell he could beat any other Republican candidate in 2008.



15 posted on 03/21/2005 4:05:45 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: swilhelm73

Kerry can do a 180, but he will never sign a 180.


16 posted on 03/21/2005 4:08:48 PM PST by smoothsailing (Eagles Up !!)
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To: swilhelm73; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
...the Senator may request the complete release of his military records at last

His idea of complete and my idea of complete are probably strangers to eachother.

17 posted on 03/21/2005 4:10:09 PM PST by ride the whirlwind
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
"remove this increasingly pathetic figure from our national stage."

Trust us, whatever it takes, we will make it so...

18 posted on 03/21/2005 4:10:50 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
I don't refute your argument about Kerry's background info. The elites in Washington must think we are idiots. Kerry is God awful scum that should be removed from public office. PERIOD.
19 posted on 03/21/2005 4:13:29 PM PST by Raffus (Thanks to all Veterans for their service to our Country.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

I'm with you. The records NEED to be released.

He came too close for comfort to winning the presidency, and he remains a senator.

Count me in as a definite NON-"move on" FReeper!


20 posted on 03/21/2005 4:17:41 PM PST by KJC1
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To: AZ_Cowboy

"You see, this way if he does they can dump it out there beneath the furor over Terri Schiavo and nobody will even notice."

That's the only explanation that makes sense, if this is true.

Because even I have had a hard time focusing on other news with Terri in such a dire situation.


21 posted on 03/21/2005 4:19:30 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: smoothsailing
Kerry can do a 180, but he will never sign a 180.

Worth repeating. Thanks.


22 posted on 03/21/2005 4:19:42 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Btw, thank you for the ping. :)


23 posted on 03/21/2005 4:20:18 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

bump


24 posted on 03/21/2005 4:22:13 PM PST by Soaring Feather (IS IT SPRING YET?)
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To: MeekOneGOP
My pleasure.

It just saves a lot of time. We all pretty much have Kerry figured out by now.

I am with Tonk on this, however, we should hound and vilify the traitor until he breaks.

25 posted on 03/21/2005 4:31:40 PM PST by smoothsailing (Eagles Up !!)
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To: smoothsailing
Kerry is a real loser. I hope he loses next time he runs for re-election.

But we're talkin' about Massachusetts, so I'm not holdin' my breath.


26 posted on 03/21/2005 4:37:33 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: andyk

But no way in the world he could even get the nomination, let alone win the WH..


27 posted on 03/21/2005 4:37:55 PM PST by ken5050 (The Dem party is as dead as the NHL)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; johnny7; TomGuy; maryz; Lonesome in Massachussets; JLO; gidget7; ...

28 posted on 03/21/2005 4:38:29 PM PST by bitt
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To: bitt

Kerry pathological liar BTTT


29 posted on 03/21/2005 5:19:34 PM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: swilhelm73
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50 days and counting
January 30, 2005:
Q: TIM RUSSERT: Would you sign Form 180?
A: SEN. KERRY: Yes, I will.


30 posted on 03/21/2005 6:42:50 PM PST by CitizenM (An excuse is worse and more terrible than a lie, for an excuse is a lie guarded. Pope John Paul II)
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To: bitt

Thanks for the ping.


31 posted on 03/21/2005 7:16:03 PM PST by nopardons
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping!


32 posted on 03/21/2005 8:04:37 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: swilhelm73

33 posted on 03/21/2005 8:18:06 PM PST by Dashing Dasher (Mar 21, 1946 - The United Nations sets up temporary headquarters at Hunter College in New York)
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To: swilhelm73

Look, if Kerry runs, I can laugh and joke now. But, in '04, the thought of seeing that face in my living room as my president, for four wretched years, was too much, .....


34 posted on 03/21/2005 8:27:12 PM PST by onyx eyes (.... Fly over country.... the real habitat of the Real Americans....)
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To: swilhelm73; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
" a release of squeaky-clean records will cause Democrats to wonder why Kerry blocked their release throughout his entire campaign and caused such controversy over their contents"

Squeaky clean records???? What are these people smoking? Do they really believe that the Swift Vets are lying? do they think Jimmy Carter won the '80 election too?

35 posted on 03/21/2005 8:35:28 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The Lord has given us President Bush; let's now turn this nation back to him)
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To: bitt
They really mean a Hugh liar, don't they???
36 posted on 03/21/2005 8:39:02 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The Lord has given us President Bush; let's now turn this nation back to him)
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To: Fenris6
I hope Kerry wins the nom in 08.

Reading bewteen the lines here and in other places, I'd say the rest of the Rats have just about had enough of John F'in and his stale, sorry act, and they're sending him little clues about how they would not welcome another run by him in 2008. Of course, Kerry's so dense and tone deaf and full of himself that he'll miss any message more subtle than, say, a sledgehammer between the eyes.

It could be amusing to watch them pop his balloon if he continues to not take their hints.

37 posted on 03/21/2005 8:48:32 PM PST by CFC__VRWC
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To: editor-surveyor

'They really mean a Hugh liar, don't they???'

You know, you're right...if I could only remember who I stole that from, I'd demand a refund!
lol


38 posted on 03/21/2005 9:23:16 PM PST by bitt
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
The word in Washington is that Kerry will sign the form soon.

Soon. Now that's a nice vague word.

39 posted on 03/21/2005 9:24:11 PM PST by Valin (DARE to be average!)
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To: editor-surveyor

'Squeaky clean records???? What are these people smoking?'

they are implying that Kerry will "vet" the records before they are 'released'....as in, "send in Sandy Burglar!".....

so that all his medals will be shined, his statements of self heroism will be exhorted, his commendations by superiors will be superior, and his discharge...will finally be ...honorable.


40 posted on 03/21/2005 9:25:36 PM PST by bitt
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Kerry service records maybe forthcoming???

Better check who's buying old Remington Typewriters and mimeo equipment on E-Bay.

41 posted on 03/21/2005 11:19:45 PM PST by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but recently have come to my senses.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT!!!!!!


42 posted on 03/22/2005 3:13:07 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

JF'nK is a piss poor excuse for a man!


43 posted on 03/22/2005 7:37:11 AM PST by blackie
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Did you notice that Opinion Journal has added a comment to their Kerry appellation, the French looking senator, who by the way served in Vietnam, and agreed to release his military records.


44 posted on 03/22/2005 9:25:06 AM PST by Eva
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To: bitt

Bump!


45 posted on 03/22/2005 3:19:16 PM PST by JLO (I always TRY to live up to be MN nice)
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To: bitt

46 posted on 03/23/2005 6:51:51 PM PST by Seadog Bytes ("Benedict Arnold was a 'war hero' TOO... Before he became a Traitor.")
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