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Walk A Mile in My Moccasins (EcoDisaster on our southern border)
Various ^ | April 12, 2005 | B58Hustler and HiJinx

Posted on 04/14/2005 10:03:07 AM PDT by HiJinx

FReeper trteamer had asked on a thread last week (4/4/05) if there were some way to go out on the ‘net and find pictures of the trash that illegal aliens leave behind as they pass through our border counties.  I told him that I would check into that.  As I was looking, another FReeper, B58 Hustler, picked up on the topic and put together what follows.

 

He did the research; he found pictures at such places as Colonel Ben Anderson’s web site, DesertInvasion.com, KrisEggle.org, and local news outlets in Southern Arizona; and he put them into what follows.  Much of the text reflects his thoughts vis-à-vis that contingent of FReepers who oppose our attempt to publicize our plight along the border.

 

Now, you too can see what we live with on a day-to-day basis, why people like my co-worker Inga are afraid to go to sleep at night, why my co-worker Dallas never leaves the house unarmed, and why my County Sheriff has gone to Congress begging for help. 

 

 

 

“Walk a Mile in My Moccasins”

 

As I read through the posts on the border threads, I have come to recognize that many of these posts are consistently coming from people who can be profiled into three specific groups. The first group is comprised of people who fully understand and have probably seen what is happening to those living and traveling along the southern Arizona border. A number of these folks actually live in the area.

The second group is comprised of interested people who say that the Minuteman Project has called the plight of those living and traveling along the southern border to their attention. In many of their posts the people in this group state support for the Minuteman Project, ask what is it really like along the border, or want to know if it is really as bad as they are now hearing.

And then there is the third group. This group is basically four or five people who repeatedly interject their biased and purpose driven comments into the border threads. While the intent of the first and second group is to learn, it is the obvious sole intent of the third group to be extremely disruptive. These disruptive posters obviously do not live in southern Arizona like so many do who make supporting comments to these border threads. It is only logical to therefore assume that if these disruptive posters do not live along the southern Arizona border, then they have no first hand knowledge of what has happened, and is happening along the southern Arizona border.

If ever the saying, "walk a mile in my moccasins" needs to apply to anyone, it must now apply to these disruptive posters. Consequently, it is to you, the disruptive posters, that I primarily address this message.

I start by saying that if there were ever possibly some way to fly all illegal aliens “over” Arizona and parachute them into your neighborhoods and have those illegal aliens walk through, camp in, trash up, leave human feces and used Kotex in your back yards, then you could possibly find an easy way to “walk a mile in my moccasins.” But since the illegal aliens cannot be parachuted into your neighborhoods, jump over or bypass Arizona by any other means and because you continue to call for these illegal aliens to come to you, it is therefore important for me to share something with you. It is important to me that you see what has happened to my neighborhood while these illegal Aliens are passing through on their way to maintain your yards, lawns, swimming pools and do everything else you so desperately want them to do for slave labor wages.

 

For you to have a better understanding of what is happening in southern Arizona and for you to experience what southern Arizona looks like today, I invite you to come and spend some time along the border to really see what is going on. No, the invitation does not include expenses for your travel and stay, but it does include a free trail guide (me) who will give you the opportunity to drive along the back trails and walk along the same paths I have moved across for the last 30 years. These are the same back trails and paths that the illegal aliens now take. And you can speak with the people whose back yards these illegal aliens cross. They are the people whose land the illegal aliens have trashed and the people who have now grown to literally fear for their lives on a daily, and especially nightly, basis. Yep, I’m asking you to walk the walk before you continue to talk the talk. That makes sense to me and it should make sense to you.

I have lived where you are living, from California across to Florida, up to New Hampshire and then back across the country. But you have not lived where I am now living. I therefore feel qualified to comment about the conditions and the things going on in your neighborhoods, while I feel that you are not qualified to comment on the conditions and the happenings in my neighborhood. To become better able to do that, you need to now come with me and “walk a mile in my moccasins.”

Those living and traveling along the southern Arizona border have become conditioned to viewing these offensive substances, materials and elements because they are constantly found in our back yards. And if you think that these pictures look like open spaces and are not pictures of our back yards, then you fail to realize that some here have mighty “big” back yards. Sometimes as big as 800 acres and the owners of those back yards travel across their entire back yards daily.

If seeing this trash doesn’t tear your heart out and if it does not bring tears to your eyes to see two lovely grandmothers having to walk through this “largest open pit garbage dump in America” to get their daily exercise, then I must conclude that your life is totally void of compassion.

WARNING: You may find viewing the used Kotex to be repulsive!

 

 

WARNING: You may find viewing the feces to be repulsive!

 

 

God Bless America. God Bless Arizona.

And, God please forgive those who know not for what they ask,

for they know not what they are about to receive –
in their own backyards!

Take a walk through Arizona's remote deserts, parks and ranches, and what might you see? Empty food cans, water bottles, soiled diapers, human feces, castoff clothing, abandoned cars, trampled vegetation and bushes burned for campfires -- all the residue of a ceaseless flow of thousands of illegal immigrants trying to get into the United States. "Environmental degradation has become among the migration trend's most visible consequences," Rotstein writes. "A few years ago, there were 45 abandoned cars on the Buenos Aires refuge near Sasabe, and enough trash that a volunteer couple filled 723 large bags with 18,000 pounds of garbage over two months in 2002." (Excerpted) Read more at . . .

Dumping of Trash, Waste, Endemic in State with Flood of Illegal Immigration

Empty sardine cans, discarded clothing, and soiled diapers litter the ground, sheets of used toilet paper hang from bushes alongside desert trails. These are the trails used by countless illegal immigrants crossing from Mexico into the United States in Arizona. Illegals from Mexico and other Latin American countries have left the trails of refuse over the years. They have marred scenic ranches, beautiful desert borderlands, foothills, forests and wildlife sanctuaries. Beau McClure, special assistant with the Bureau of Land Management for international programs, calls the problem “Very severe. It is near crisis conditions in many areas." (Excerpted) Read more at . . .

Environmental activists ignore trails of human waste and trash

 

See how the areas in the pictures looked BIAC (Before Illegal Aliens Crossings).

As you view the beautiful pictures below,
I call upon you to remember the words and music from Pete Seeger’s song

WHERE HAVE ALL THE FLOWERS GONE
(I have paraphrased the words to give proper application here)

Where have all the flowers gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the flowers gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the flowers gone?
Illegal aliens have trampled every one
When will we ever learn?
When will we ever learn?

 

 

Where have all the environmentalists gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the environmentalist gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the environmentalist gone
No one knows but shame on every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

 

 

God Bless America. God Bless Arizona.

And, God please forgive those who know not for what they ask,

for they know not what they are about to receive –
in their own backyards!


TOPICS: Outdoors; Politics
KEYWORDS: aliens; sierraclubmia; trash
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1 posted on 04/14/2005 10:03:08 AM PDT by HiJinx
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To: Trteamer; B58Hustler

trteamer, you asked for it, here it is.

B58Hustler, fantastic work and you should keep this up.


2 posted on 04/14/2005 10:04:46 AM PDT by HiJinx (My Momma tol' me that if you gotta sneak, you're wrong...and you know it.)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3rdcanyon; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; ...
Click to see other threads related to illegal aliens in America
Click to FR-mail me for addition or removal

This is sickening...and it's possibly coming to a National Forest...or your city park...or private property...near you.

3 posted on 04/14/2005 10:06:11 AM PDT by HiJinx (My Momma tol' me that if you gotta sneak, you're wrong...and you know it.)
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To: HiJinx

Thanks for posting this. It's disgusting.


4 posted on 04/14/2005 10:10:54 AM PDT by retrokitten (I heart Tony Snow)
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To: HiJinx

BTTT


5 posted on 04/14/2005 10:11:53 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: HiJinx

Excellent post! Thanks for the ping.


6 posted on 04/14/2005 10:14:10 AM PDT by beltfed308
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To: HiJinx

Close the borders to illegal aliens bump


7 posted on 04/14/2005 10:14:33 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Liberal Rule #20 - We must play God because the masses are ignorant.)
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To: HiJinx


U.S. Constitution Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"


U.S. Constitution Article 1 Section 8 Clause 15:

"The Congress shall have Power to provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections

and repel Invasions;"


8 posted on 04/14/2005 10:15:51 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: HiJinx
As you know, some of us have come up with some creative uses for some of that criminal invader trash.

This is one of my favorite pictures of all time:

On the night of Saturday, 27 September 2003, twenty-two bags of garbage were left leaning against the door of Rep. Jim Kolbe's (RINO-AZ) office in Sierra Vista, Arizona. (See http://www.svherald.com/articles/2003/09/29/news/news1.txt) The garbage was gathered earlier that day from a lay-up site used by criminal invaders as they crossed through Cochise County, Arizona on their way north. The garbage was unsightly, smelly, and prevented access to Congressman Kolbe's office until it was removed. The illegal alien garbage was stuffed into bags provided by Cochise County which are clearly labeled "Cochise County UDA Cleanup". UDA means "Undocumented Aliens". Sanitation engineers were forced to come and remove the trash and to sanitize the sidewalk upon which the trash sat and the wall and door against which the trash was leaned in order for Rep. Kolbe's office to resume normal operations.

Rep. Kolbe's snitty little office manager, Bernadette Polley, looks on in disgust. She demonstrates the same look of disgust we display whenever Rep. Kolbe pollutes our district with his presence.


9 posted on 04/14/2005 10:17:35 AM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: HiJinx

BUMP.


10 posted on 04/14/2005 10:21:09 AM PDT by k2blader (Immorality bites.)
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To: HiJinx

Stop the foreign invaders ~ NOW!

Be Ever Vigilant!


11 posted on 04/14/2005 10:32:35 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: HiJinx

THE BORDER: Illegals turn desert into trash dump

$2M to be spent on cleanup in S. Arizona

LUKE TURF
Tucson Citizen

HUACHUCA MOUNTAINS - Stepping over bear and mountain lion dung with birds singing and snakes rattling nearby, three retiree hikers take a rocky trail a few miles into the backcountry. They go all the way to a once-beautiful ravine - now filled with a disheartening sea of trash.
A cool breeze worries one of the hikers, 69-year-old Alexa Cottingham. She knows that winds carry trash from a nearby illegal immigrant campsite over a cliff and into the ravine. There it will sit until the next breeze pushes it farther down the stream of waste.

Discarded pants and plastic bags are caught in a sotol plant. Hundreds of discarded water jugs are only the beginning of the problem. Jumex drink cans, tuna tins, Coca-Cola containers, pants, shoes, women's underwear and discarded feminine hygiene products, chips and bread bags, emptied canned fruit containers, hats and a tequila bottle blanket the landscape.

"We're used to the trash along the road and all of that," says Cottingham, who lives in Hereford near the border. "But having it this extensive, it was just as if they brought all of Mexico here. ... I didn't know how people could have that much trash."

It's been a problem as long as people have illegally crossed the deserts. It increased in southern Arizona in the late 1990s when the U.S. Border Patrol cracked down on illegal immigration into Texas and California, pushing illegal immigrants - and their trash - into Arizona's remote deserts.

To Cottingham and her fellow hikers, the problem seems overwhelming. It's just one example of pristine Sonoran Desert turned into a trash dump. Many southern Arizonans see it every day. About $2 million in newly approved federal funds should help address - though admittedly not solve - the problem in the short term, according to the Arizona congressman who helped secure the money. But some fear it's like trying to dam a river with a wine cork.

To combat the trash, Republican congressman Jim Kolbe of Tucson helped secure the money, half in this fiscal year's budget and half in the next one. At least $695,000 is already being put to use, according to Beau McClure, special assistant for international programs for the Bureau of Land Management, the federal agency dispersing the funds.

It's just a fraction of the $20 million a congressional report estimates is needed to remove trash in southeastern Arizona's deserts. McClure says he's putting together a statewide estimate of how much money is needed for the border region, because the problem isn't limited to one corner of the state.

The Tohono O'odham Nation, where trash piles up as quickly as officials can measure it, is ineligible for any of the $2 million, McClure says.

An environmental specialist with the tribe, Ken Cronin, says about 1,500 immigrants sneak through the reservation daily. Each leaves an average of eight pounds of trash - totaling six tons - a day, he said.

"It's just blanketed," Cronin says of the tribal land. "It's pretty tremendous; there's a pretty severe visual impact."

Many of the trails and campsites used by illegal immigrants are in remote areas, but many of the places where they get picked up are close to residential areas. There they often drop what they're carrying, Cronin says.

Cronin estimates the O'odham need about $1.67 million to clean up their reservation.

Off tribal land, McClure says, the $695,000 he received in March has been put to such uses as an Earth Day cleanup in which about 40 volunteers from 20 agencies picked up garbage in the San Pedro Riparian National Conservation Area near Hereford. He says "considerably more than half" of the money will go to other city, county and private organizations as compensation for cleaning the terrain. Most of the rest will be used for supplies such as gloves and trash bags.

"It's certainly not a solution to the problem; it's just a means to take care of some of the damage that's occurring," McClure says. "And it's going to be trashed again as the thousands of people come through the border - each day, actually."

That worries one of Kolbe's counterparts.

Democratic congressman Raúl Grijalva of Tucson applauds Kolbe for bringing the funds to the area. Yet he is disappointed Congress hasn't made any progress on illegal immigration.

"It's a surface issue. The problem is much more fundamentally deep than that," Grijalva says. "The irony is that we continue to deal with the surface problem."

McClure says the wildlife disturbance, habitat destruction and degradation of wildlife health caused by the human waste will continue to destroy the ecosystem.

Beyond the dangers the trash poses to wildlife lies one of the biggest fears of Cottingham's fellow hikers.

Bill Clark, 74, pauses on the trail. He shifts his wooden hiking stick between his hands and bends to pick up a remnant of one of wildlife's biggest threats - fire. Between his fingers Clark holds a cigarette butt. He is also quick to point out nearby abandoned campfires, just three feet below the dry limbs of a tree.

This year's Eureka fire, in the foothills of the Huachucas, not far from here, burned about 40 acres. Officials believe illegal immigrants started a signal or cooking fire that got out of control.

"This is what scares the hell out of me. You see that fireplace there," Clark says. "See, it's hidden so nobody could see it, but it could get away ... and down that canyon real fast."

More trashed sites are likely until illegal immigrants stop coming over the border or start cleaning up after themselves. In the meantime, several groups addressing other border issues also take to the desert to pick up their trash.

Humane Borders, which maintains water stations in the desert for illegal immigrants, heads trash pickups once a month. Groups opposed to illegal immigration - such as Ranch Rescue, an armed group based in Texas that patrols private ranches, and Civil Homeland Defense, a sometimes-armed citizens patrol based in Tombstone - also regularly organize clean-ups.

And U.S. Border Patrol agents in each of the agency's stations organize periodic cleanups.

Until a more concrete solution is found, the federal money will be the biggest funding effort.

Over on tribal land, Jim Fletcher, the federal Environmental Protection Agency's tribal specialist on the border, is trying to get about $50,000 in grants to combat the problem.

The money would go toward cleanups, recycling, warning signs and even trash cans.

"We're about ready to try anything at this point in time," Fletcher says.


12 posted on 04/14/2005 10:40:00 AM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: HiJinx
I would certainly expect that the President would need to be informed of this desecration of Arizona. I would further expect that he would coordinate cleanup efforts with his NAFTA partner Vicente Fox.

/sarcasm

13 posted on 04/14/2005 10:42:49 AM PDT by afnamvet (31st Fighter Wing Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 "Return With Honor")
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To: HiJinx

Patrols, crossers trash border's pristine desert
Conservationists fear impact deeper into wilderness

Mary Jo Pitzl
The Arizona Republic
Mar. 25, 2005 12:00 AM

The trail of environmental destruction along Arizona's border with Mexico is growing at increasingly rapid rates, overwhelming land managers and making a mockery of the wilderness designation those lands carry.

Vast stretches of borderland in southwestern Arizona, deemed pristine respites by Congress, are pockmarked with the debris of illegal immigration from rusting cars to the rutted trails they and their Border Patrol pursuers cut into the fragile desert crust.

When measured against the threats to homeland security or the real risk of imperiling human life, wilderness protections rank a distant third in priority.
This has roiled some conservationists, who complain that Border Patrol activities have pushed too far into the desert interior while intruding more and more on the natural environment.

They're especially critical of a Border Patrol plan that proposes to expand off-road operations, introduce towering stadium-style lights in critical enforcement areas and build more roads and fences.

The public-land managers who run these wilderness areas say they're in the difficult position of trying to protect natural resources and wildlife while acknowledging the needs of border security.

So wilderness advocates are now pushing to move control efforts closer to the border. They hope the Border Patrol can contain the illegal tide without lapping far into the desert, although they acknowledge it would take more money to get increased manpower and better technology.

"I think you can solve a lot of it by looking into Mexico," said Fred Goodsell, founder of an Ajo-based group he calls Sonoran Desert Protectors.

A volunteer for the Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge, Goodsell argues that the Border Patrol should be equipped with detection devices that can be pointed south, instead of north, with the idea of intercepting undocumented immigrants as soon as they cross the international border.

The Border Patrol acknowledges that control efforts close to the border would stop much of the damage farther into the desert.

What's lacking, however, is money, not only for technology but for the increased manpower and other equipment needed to draw a tighter net around a porous border, said Joe Brigman, spokesman for the Border Patrol's Yuma sector.

The patrol agency tries to be environmentally sensitive, he said, by limiting its off-road usage as much as possible and relying on airplanes and helicopters for patrol.

But they've drawn scorn from some conservationists for the use of Humvees, a practice that Brigman defends as necessary to protect officer safety.

"The bad guys in this whole scenario are not the Border Patrol," he said. "It's the illegal-alien smugglers and the drug smugglers. They're the ones coming in illegally."

Land managers say the shifting trends in border policy have brought intensive and intrusive enforcement efforts to remote areas.

"Border Patrol does cause a lot of environmental damage, but imagine where we'd be if the Border Patrol were not out there," said Roger Di Rosa, manager of the Cabeza Prieta refuge.

Besides, he said, how do you argue against national security? The person who gets into the United States because the Border Patrol had its hands tied by environmental concerns could very well be the terrorist who will ignite the next Sept. 11-type attack, he said, citing a common concern.

There are ways to respect wilderness and the environmental protections it entails while still providing security, said Superintendent Kathleen Billings of Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument.

A prime example is the vehicle-barrier fence along Organ Pipe's border with Mexico. So far, 18 miles of a steel-and-concrete fence are in place, blocking cars, SUVs and trucks, many of them carrying bulky loads of drugs. Billings said the results were immediate.

"It essentially has stopped all illegal-vehicle traffic," she said, pointing to the fence's hip-high steel crossbar.

"But it has increased the vehicles crossing at the edges."

And that is a metaphor for the larger problem along the border in southwestern Arizona.

Di Rosa calls it "shifting on your neighbor." Put up a barrier in one spot, he said, and the immigrant traffic simply moves to a less-restricted location.

There also are long stretches along the border where normal post-and-wire fencing have been stolen.

Even if the entire U.S.-Mexican border were equipped with the vehicle-barrier fence (a costly impossibility, given Organ Pipe plans to spend $17 million to build 29 miles of fence), there would still be foot traffic, the Border Patrol's Brigman says.

"There's tremendous amounts of problems caused by the walk-in traffic," he said.

A recent tour of the wilderness areas in southwestern Arizona gave ample proof of that. In Organ Pipe, rusting tin cans, shattered plastic water jugs, socks and human waste accumulate near popular watering holes. Spray-painted graffiti deface rocks and cactuses alike.

Last year, the National Parks Conservation Association named Organ Pipe one of the nation's 10 most-endangered national parks due to the stresses of border traffic.

Di Rosa is shopping around the idea that the cumulative effects of border problems, from safety concerns to terrorism prevention to environmental damage, amount to a disaster, and that such a disaster should qualify for emergency federal assistance.

"It would be a way for the land-management agencies here, which are way overtaxed, to get some kind of funding to deal with this," he said.


14 posted on 04/14/2005 10:44:42 AM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Spiff

Nice! I can't think of a better use for it.


15 posted on 04/14/2005 10:47:41 AM PDT by TheDon (Euthanasia is an atrocity.)
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To: HiJinx
Wonder where all the environmentalists are?
16 posted on 04/14/2005 10:52:20 AM PDT by TheLion
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To: HiJinx


17 posted on 04/14/2005 10:53:45 AM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Spiff
Another typical layover site:
18 posted on 04/14/2005 10:54:10 AM PDT by TheLion
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To: Spiff

You must have just found the same site I did....lol

This is so disgusting. Every environmentalist in the country should be down there!


19 posted on 04/14/2005 10:55:53 AM PDT by TheLion
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To: HiJinx

More photos at this site


http://www.azanderson.org/anderson_report_border_trash.htm


20 posted on 04/14/2005 10:57:57 AM PDT by TheLion
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To: HiJinx

UFB bump


21 posted on 04/14/2005 11:05:23 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways (but you must follow the instructions carefully))
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To: HiJinx
Crosslinked:

 Thunder on the Border-- (Minuteman Project)

22 posted on 04/14/2005 11:09:54 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: HiJinx

I would re-do this thread and call it something that will get more attention.

Some Ideas for a title:

1. Eco-Destruction on our southern border.
2. Environmental Disaster on our southern border.
3. Trash left behind by Illegal Aliens destroying the eco-system on our southern border.

Well, you get the idea.


23 posted on 04/14/2005 11:10:16 AM PDT by TheLion
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To: Spiff
That should be done to any enviro-nutbag office, newspaper and enabling legislator nearby also. IMO

Nam Vet

24 posted on 04/14/2005 11:15:29 AM PDT by Nam Vet (MSM reporters think the MOIST dream they had the night before is a "reliable source".)
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To: TheLion; HiJinx

"I would re-do this thread and call it something that will get more attention.

Some Ideas for a title:

1. Eco-Destruction on our southern border.
2. Environmental Disaster on our southern border.
3. Trash left behind by Illegal Aliens destroying the eco-system on our southern border. "

Good idea- to stay within posting guidelines, something like

Walk A Mile in My Moccasins (EcoDisaster on our southern border)

Quickest way to do this? Hit "abuse" on yourself and ask the Mod to modify it.


25 posted on 04/14/2005 11:16:02 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe

Bump!


26 posted on 04/14/2005 11:33:14 AM PDT by TheLion
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To: HiJinx; Spiff; backhoe
http://www.desertinvasion.us/invasion_pictures/pics_waddell_dam.html
27 posted on 04/14/2005 11:44:49 AM PDT by TheLion
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To: TheLion

The link for desert invasion

http://www.desertinvasion.us/invasion_pictures/pics_waddell_dam.html


28 posted on 04/14/2005 11:46:14 AM PDT by TheLion
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To: TheLion
I would re-do this thread and call it something that will get more attention.

Then print it out and mail copies to the CDC, the EPA, the Sierra Club, and any other "environmental" groups you can think of. Those pig sties created by illegal aliens need national attention.

30 posted on 04/14/2005 12:26:51 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: TheLion

That's one of the sites the originator found and pulled his pictures from.

It certainly is disgusting.


31 posted on 04/14/2005 1:20:09 PM PDT by HiJinx (My Momma tol' me that if you gotta sneak, you're wrong...and you know it.)
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To: HiJinx
America's leaders are lunatics to turn their eyes away from this s..t. Our leaders are traitors to this country. They make Tokyo Rose look like a Sunday school teacher.
32 posted on 04/14/2005 1:20:21 PM PDT by swampfox98 (Michael Reagan: "It's time to stop the flood.")
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To: Spiff; HiJinx
first, Kolbe's office.

Then where, D.C.?

Saying this is beyond a health hazard is a gross understatement.

33 posted on 04/14/2005 2:27:35 PM PDT by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles"....Fr. A Saenz.)
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To: kstewskis
Saying this is beyond a health hazard is a gross understatement.

Amen. New diseases which we thought had been eradicated in the U.S. are now reappearing. T.B. is on the rise. Chiagas disease is a new factor and it is coming right across our southern border.

Kolbe should have recognized the garbage as a biotoxin threat and acted accordingly. The perpetrators of this particular act hoped that he would have charged them as such as this stuff, biotoxins and all, are in our backyards.

36 posted on 04/14/2005 3:13:20 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: kstewskis
Then where, D.C.?

You know, that's a good idea. We could rent a dump truck, load it up with illegal alien garbage we've gathered from the desert in SE Arizona, hype it in the press, and then caravan across the country to deliver the mess right in front of the White House.

A local resident - a grandmother - has appeared on the news and in newspapers several times in the last 2 weeks. She'll be on CNN next week. She's got a "Cochise County UDA" garbage bag on which she's written President Bush's name. She's reserved the bag for him and has and will continue to call for President Bush to come down here, see the mess for himself, and then help us clean it up - personally. She's been using a picture I sent her of President Bush clearing and hauling logs on his Crawford, TX ranch as a prop to demonstrate that he knows how to do hard work. She says that she wants to see bags of criminal invader trash being hauled by the President instead of logs. We hope that it will be effective.

37 posted on 04/14/2005 3:18:38 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Spiff

Excellent! FR should organize some means of having a U-Haul filled with this stuff and shipped/dumped to the steps of the Capitol in D.C. (or the White House).


38 posted on 04/14/2005 3:24:11 PM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: HiJinx; B58Hustler

Thank you for a very eye-opening post and the pictures.


39 posted on 04/14/2005 3:27:18 PM PDT by JLO
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To: kstewskis

Ecological Disaster on our border....bump!


40 posted on 04/14/2005 3:27:36 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: HiJinx; B58Hustler

Thanks to both of you for putting this up. I'll lend you some extra credibility, because I've been down there and I've seen it. Every American ought to see it.

Now, what we need to do is find some pictures of the damaged ranch fences and what they do to the livestock.


41 posted on 04/14/2005 3:30:14 PM PDT by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: HiJinx

I just noticed the change in your title....great!


42 posted on 04/14/2005 3:31:59 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: DumpsterDiver
"Then print it out and mail copies to the CDC, the EPA, the Sierra Club, and any other "environmental" groups you can think of. Those pig sties created by illegal aliens need national attention."

These groups would be stampeding Washington if this was happening anywhere else and for any other reason. Taking note of this will require them to acknowledge illegal immigration as a problem.

43 posted on 04/14/2005 3:34:54 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: TheLion

Thanks for the idea...


44 posted on 04/14/2005 3:35:59 PM PDT by HiJinx (My Momma tol' me that if you gotta sneak, you're wrong...and you know it.)
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To: DTogo
Excellent! FR should organize some means of having a U-Haul filled with this stuff and shipped/dumped to the steps of the Capitol in D.C. (or the White House).

Not a U-Haul. But a big stinky garbage truck with protest signs on it. It would be wonderful to see on national news a huge pile of stinky, fly-ridden criminal invader trash dumped at the front gate of the White House. Whoever drives the truck should expect to be thrown on the ground at gunpoint on national TV. He would need to be a border area resident who personally gathered some of the trash and had a good story to tell about the damage that illegal aliens have personally caused him and his family.

The truck would have stopped at city after city on the way there and small rallies would be have held with displays educating people about the problems with the border. A national spokesman and other associated organizations would hit all the radio and TV talk shows leading up to the big delivery. Political theater at its finest.

Do you think, even then, that the President would get the message that we're FED UP with this mess?

45 posted on 04/14/2005 3:41:44 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: TheLion
These groups would be stampeding Washington if this was happening anywhere else and for any other reason. Taking note of this will require them to acknowledge illegal immigration as a problem.

If it was happening in Crawford, Texas President Bush would have already called out the 3rd Infantry Division to put a stop to it. Hmmm...Crawford would be a good stop on the way to Washington, DC with our stinky illegal alien garbage delivery caravan. Maybe a smaller truck could make a delivery there too....

46 posted on 04/14/2005 3:43:43 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Spiff
Maybe a quicker route would be to take it to every regional Representative/Senators' house/office, and then over to the Western White House's front gate in Crawford.

Why is such a fine President completely missing the boat (and the people's desires) on this issue??

47 posted on 04/14/2005 3:45:17 PM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: Spiff

Maybe a cross country caravan of big trucks carrying part of the garbage with big signs saying "This is just a fraction of the garbage on our southern border."

That would get someone's attention!


48 posted on 04/14/2005 3:47:26 PM PDT by TheLion
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