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Note to Bill Frist: You Suck
Shot In The Dark ^ | May 23, 2005 | Mitch Berg

Posted on 05/23/2005 9:40:18 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day

To: Bill Frist, US Senate. From: Mitch Berg, Schmuck Citizen and pissed-off former GOP contributor Re: Your Infinite Cretinism

Senator Frist,

Mitch Berg here. You probably don't know who I am; I'm a typical schmuck. I write a blog, and I try to pitch in on GOP activities around Minnesota.

And on behalf of the entire GOP, I'm having a hard time walking right now - because you just boned your party up the a**.

No, not just the party; not just the assembly of suits and climbers and hangers-on that no doubt surrounds you at work every day. No, I'm talking about all of us who busted our asses overcoming a full-court media press (and continue to do so), and gave of our time and money until it hurt - hurt our wallets, our families, our relationships, our equilibrium. We gave them all with enthusiasm because we knew what was at stake; a whole generation of Supreme Court decisions.

So we gave. And you took.

And today, you looked us all in the face, and spat.

Reading Michelle and John and Ed, I'm about as depressed as I can be.

We won you a majority, pinhead. What the hell good is it? You think the Democrats are going to abide by your little gentleman's agreement? You got conned. You entered into an agreement with a Klansman, a drunk machine hack and a party bag man. You are the Neville Chamberlain of my generation.

I don't believe in Karma, but I believe what goes around comes around. And I guess you demonstrate it, Frist. The Democrats elect a pinhead doctor to lead their party - I guess it's only fair we did, too.

Thank God for Tom Delay. The least you could do is make it hard for the Dems to neutralize you, rather than walking off the cliff into the kool-aid vat on your own.

Captain Ed is right. Not one more dime. You have made me ashamed to be a Republican.

Oh, I'll bounce back. We all will - most of us, anyway. We'll have to. Because you showed us today - the grass roots have got to do it for themselves; we'll get no help from hamsters like you.

Sincerely - go back to medicine.

Mitch Berg Saint Paul.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Politics
KEYWORDS: anger; appeasement; berg; billfrist; bohica; filibuster; frist; hamsters; jellyfish; judges; judicialnominees; minorityrules; mitchberg; neutered; obstructionism; shotinthedark; spineless; uselessmajority
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Mitch pretty well sums up my feelings.

What are we going to do about these spineless Republicans?

As expected, Dingy Harry Reid was crowing about the Democrat 'victory' in front of the microphones right after the "compromise."

1 posted on 05/23/2005 9:40:23 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day
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To: Choose Ye This Day
Mitch is stupid and, it appears, drunk himself.

Nothing, nothing, is off the table, and three of the most "extreme" judges are going to sail through the Senate.

Frist can keep his powder dry for the Supreme Court battle.

2 posted on 05/23/2005 9:43:12 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

I knew he had no balls.

He also will not have my vote should he run for any higher office.


3 posted on 05/23/2005 9:45:01 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: Choose Ye This Day

He has a radio show in MN. on Saturdays. It rocks. You can listen online. You can get a link on his website. He is spot on.


4 posted on 05/23/2005 9:45:11 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: sinkspur

I agree with him. I, too, must be "stupid" and "drunk"?

What good is having anything on the table when there are no balls under the table?


5 posted on 05/23/2005 9:45:13 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Somos un país soberano en una época de guerra. ¿Por qué no podemos defender nuestra frontera?)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Sometimes all I can say is "wow."


6 posted on 05/23/2005 9:45:55 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: Brimack34

I listen all the time. (I'm still in MN, haven't sold my house and moved yet.)

The Norther Alliance show is excellent.


7 posted on 05/23/2005 9:46:03 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Somos un país soberano en una época de guerra. ¿Por qué no podemos defender nuestra frontera?)
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To: Petronski

Sometimes there's nothing left to say.


8 posted on 05/23/2005 9:46:57 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Somos un país soberano en una época de guerra. ¿Por qué no podemos defender nuestra frontera?)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
McCain on todays 'Munich' accords - Today we upheld the finest traditions of the Senate - Trust, Respect and ensuring the views of the Minority are recognized. What a crock of S^^t!

They keep repeating the fact that it is based on 'Trust' - Trust whom? The Dems with their history! Give me a Friggin Break!

McCain is a senile A$$wipe IMHO.

9 posted on 05/23/2005 9:47:43 PM PDT by drt1
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To: sinkspur

Frist has no powder. He has no balls.

All we heard for months on end was..."we have the votes......next week...next week"

Frist is the dang majority leader. Anybody who thinks he did not know how this deal would go down is blind.

IF FRIST REALLY HAS A PROBLEM WITH THE DEAL MADE TODAY....

Then he'll bring up a vote on Saad or Meyers right after Owen........and force the 7 Little back stabbers to actually have to vote agains their own constituents and for keeping a filibuster....or cave and vote against a filibuster.

SOMETHING TELLS ME.....WE'LL NEVER SEE FRIST DO THAT!


10 posted on 05/23/2005 9:48:56 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud (HEY FRIST, it's now "next week" . Don't run for Pres. You won't win.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
I agree with him. I, too, must be "stupid" and "drunk"?

Well, you said it. Everybody needs to cool off and have another look at this deal in the morning.

11 posted on 05/23/2005 9:49:04 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: sinkspur

Except for one thing. The "exceptional circumstances" clause. This is the Demorats' opening to control the whole Judicial process.


12 posted on 05/23/2005 9:49:16 PM PDT by Zivasmate
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To: sinkspur

No, actually YOU said it. Do you believe I am stupid and/or drunk?


13 posted on 05/23/2005 9:50:32 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Somos un país soberano en una época de guerra. ¿Por qué no podemos defender nuestra frontera?)
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To: Zivasmate
The "exceptional circumstances" clause. This is the Demorats' opening to control the whole Judicial process.

Well, then you need to take it up with the seven Republicans who made the deal.

These fourteen Senators have leverage now. Frist and Reid are going to have to deal with them. The only alternative is 60 GOP Senators.

14 posted on 05/23/2005 9:52:03 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

The Powerline guys opine:

JOHN adds: This is the key language. It is absolutely sickening. It promises the Democrats that the Republicans will not stop the filibuster during this Congress. It recognizes the filibuster of judges as a legitimate tool. And it blames President Bush for the Democrats' obstructionism. I've seen worse documents, I suppose, but it's hard to think of one offhand:

A. Future Nominations. Signatories will exercise their responsibilities under the Advice and Consent Clause of the United States Constitution in good faith. Nominees should only be filibustered under extraordinary circumstances, and each signatory must use his or her own discretion and judgment in determining whether such circumstances exist.

B. Rules Changes. In light of the spirit and continuing commitments made in this agreement, we commit to oppose the rules changes in the 109th Congress, which we understand to be any amendment to or interpretation of the Rules of the Senate that would force a vote on a judicial nomination by means other than unanimous consent or Rule XXII.

We believe that, under Article II, Section 2, of the United States Constitution, the word “Advice” speaks to consultation between the Senate and the President with regard to the use of the President’s power to make nominations. We encourage the Executive branch of government to consult with members of the Senate, both Democratic and Republican, prior to submitting a judicial nomination to the Senate for consideration.

Such a return to the early practices of our government may well serve to reduce the rancor that unfortunately accompanies the advice and consent process in the Senate.


It would be hard to overstate what a disaster this is for the Republican Party.

DEACON adds: In a worst case scenario, it could rank along side the first President Bush's agreement to raise taxes. But at least in that case the president shot himself. In this case, seven Republican Senators shot him. The good news is that, one day, the practice of filibustering judicial nominees will be banned. The bad news is that this will not occur until the Democrats control the Senate and the Republicans are the ones filibustering.


15 posted on 05/23/2005 9:52:06 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Somos un país soberano en una época de guerra. ¿Por qué no podemos defender nuestra frontera?)
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To: drt1
McCain is a friggin crook. His campaign finance sham is his legacy.

His only purpose for pushing that crap was to ensure that incumbents would not have as big a challenge from newcomers.

He and the rest of the cronies have a huge campaign war chest. So they are not affected by the McCain Findmegold crap.
16 posted on 05/23/2005 9:52:12 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud (HEY FRIST, it's now "next week" . Don't run for Pres. You won't win.)
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To: sinkspur

Still spewing GOP talking points, I see.


17 posted on 05/23/2005 9:52:35 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful Or Fatal If Swallowed)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
1. We can start by sending a message to Mike DeWine. Rob Portman resigned his congressional seat to be Bush's trade rep. There's a special election June 14. Mike DeWine's son Pat is running there. We can send the DeWine's a message. I sent a $20 a couple of weeks back to a true conservative running there.
18 posted on 05/23/2005 9:54:14 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("The constitution is not a living organism for Pete's sake" - Judge Scalia)
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To: sinkspur

The better alternative would have been to go thru with the 'nuclear option". But that's what happens when you elect RINOs and not real Republicans.


19 posted on 05/23/2005 9:54:35 PM PDT by Zivasmate
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To: Choose Ye This Day

AMEN!


20 posted on 05/23/2005 9:54:43 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Still adding nothing to the discussion, I see.


21 posted on 05/23/2005 9:55:08 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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Damn. I forgot to close my tags. The true conservative is Tom Brinkman

2. Also in 2006, Snowe, Chafee, and Mike DeWine are up for re-election Primary time....

3. Take out the democrats in 2006. Stabenow for one.

22 posted on 05/23/2005 9:57:12 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("The constitution is not a living organism for Pete's sake" - Judge Scalia)
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To: Zivasmate
The better alternative would have been to go thru with the 'nuclear option".

Frist can still go through with it, if he chooses.

It would appear he doesn't have the votes now, but he can still try.

This was done outside of Frist's purview. He simply doesn't seem to have the ability to do a deal.

23 posted on 05/23/2005 9:57:13 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: Zivasmate

WHY would the Democrats have even compromised? The only reason for them to compromise is that they KNEW they didn't have the votes.

Why don't our Senators ACT like we have a majority?


24 posted on 05/23/2005 9:57:24 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Somos un país soberano en una época de guerra. ¿Por qué no podemos defender nuestra frontera?)
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To: sinkspur
Everybody needs to cool off and have another look at this deal in the morning.

Agreed.

We always accuse the left of being led by emotion rather than reason. We all need to digest this deal, watch what happens with the pending nominations, and reserve judgment.

25 posted on 05/23/2005 9:57:51 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: sinkspur

some of us have seen the releases of contents already.

it's crap. Graham and McCain decided to be dem gimps.

Frist let this crap happen by waiting forever and year to pull the trigger.....which he never really pulled.

THERE IS A SECTION IN THE AGREEMENT THAT "ENCOURAGES" the Executive office to speak with the body (Senate) before deciding to nominate a judicial pick.

THEY ARE BASICALLY SAYING THAT THEY THINK THE PRESIDENT SHOULD SEEK PERMISSION FROM THE DEMS BEFORE EVEN NAMING A PICK!!!!!!!

Take a look at the US Constitution......that just aint right.

This little agreement was nothing more than another play for dems to thwart the will of US voters by keeping judges who rule with no regard for the constitution on the bench.

That's all this filibuster crap was for them......they know they can't win in the market place of ideas....or the ballot box. So they try to pack the courts with commie minded freaks.

GRAHAM...AND ...McCAIN were more than happy to help them.

Graham is a lawyer.....so no shock there.


26 posted on 05/23/2005 9:58:28 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud (HEY FRIST, it's now "next week" . Don't run for Pres. You won't win.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Captain Ed summarizes:

What does all this tell us?

1. Saad got tossed under the bus, although it may come from a failed confirmation vote rather than a filibuster, no matter what Reid says. If Reid demands a filibuster and all seven Democratic signatories support it, it will qualify as "bad faith," resulting in a resurrection of the Byrd option. I think all seven GOP signatories agreed to oppose Saad in a floor vote.

2. Myers may also have been tossed under the bus, although it looks from this that it may still be left to the individual conscience of the Senators.

3. Other than that, it appears that we have returned to status quo ante with an implicit admission from the GOP that filibusters are legitimate, and a matching one from the Democrats that they abused it. "Extraordinary circumstances" will probably be deciphered as ethics problems and not ideology, although the language after Part II-B seems to warn the White House about nominating strict ideologues to the bench from now on.

What we don't know is how this affects the rest of the nominees in the pipeline. One has to assume that the agreement explicitly names all those considered to have issues, and that all other nominees will be treated in accordance with the new rules from the centrists. That will prevail for as long as they can remain united in defense of their agreement.

In short, this could be merely objectionable and not a debacle, depending on how the GOP signatories interpret "extraordinary circumstances". One must suspect that this has already been defined confidentially within the group, and like Sean Rushton surmises, ideology doesn't play a part in it any longer. Under no circumstances can this be seen as a good deal for the Senate majority or for Constitutional rule. The net effect is that an even smaller minority in the Senate has hijacked the confirmation process than we saw during the filibusters -- and like all tyrannies, we can only hope for benevolent despotism rather than disaster.

And we can thank Bill Frist for his lack of leadership and resolve for taking a majority and turning it into a minority. Not One Dime for the NRSC as long as Frist remains majority leader, or for the Seven Dwarves ever.

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/004545.php


27 posted on 05/23/2005 10:01:45 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Somos un país soberano en una época de guerra. ¿Por qué no podemos defender nuestra frontera?)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

"Why don't our Senators ACT like we have a majority?"

Because we don't. These 7 Senators are not real Republicans, so the Demorats have as much control as we do.
The only solution is to nominate conservative Senatorial candidates in EVERY state and take our chances. I'm sick and tired of operating under the illusion that we have a Senate majority when we really don't.


28 posted on 05/23/2005 10:02:33 PM PDT by Zivasmate
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To: Zivasmate
These 7 Senators are not real Republicans.

That is absolutely true. Anybody have a link for the 7 Dwarves, when they're up for re-election, and likely conservative primary opponents?

29 posted on 05/23/2005 10:06:43 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Somos un país soberano en una época de guerra. ¿Por qué no podemos defender nuestra frontera?)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

For starters, the 'RATS NEVER compromise on anything. They have the Media behind them 150++++%.

...The Beltway Republicans, on the other hand, want the 'RAT Media to like them, so therefore they go on the Sunday snooze shows and suck up to the likes of Tim Russert and Wolf Blitzer. They also clamor to get a quote or two in the New York Times, Washington Post, or any other 'mainstream' publication that will print anything dinegrating about the Bush Administration. And the really sad and disgusting part about it all is, as Rush Limbaugh has said many times on his show, it makes little or no difference to the Liberal press: no matter what these RINOs do or say, they STILL...DO...NOT...LIKE...ANY...KIND...OF...REPUBLICAN...PERIOD.

Until these fools get this through their thick skulls of mush, we'll keep getting the same garbage over and over. They'd sure as heck had better wake up.

-Regards, T.


30 posted on 05/23/2005 10:17:09 PM PDT by T Lady (G.W. Bush to Kerry & the MSM: "I've come to settle the Family Business.")
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To: Choose Ye This Day
This is the key language. It is absolutely sickening. It promises the Democrats that the Republicans will not stop the filibuster during this Congress. It recognizes the filibuster of judges as a legitimate tool. And it blames President Bush for the Democrats' obstructionism. I've seen worse documents, I suppose, but it's hard to think of one offhand.

Yep. At its core, this agreement does all the things Hinderaker identifies, and yes, that is sickening.

Plus, I don't think for a minute that any of the subject nominees who are now filibuster-proof will sail through confirmation in the Senate. Nobody can trust any of the signatories to this agreement to vote to confirm the nominees. In reality what we're seeing is an attempt at a power grab by disloyal mavericks on both sides of the aisle. But because it solves nothing eventually it will blow up in their faces.

31 posted on 05/23/2005 10:31:36 PM PDT by Kryptonite (Pope Benedict XVI - The Rat Zinger!)
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To: T Lady

GREAT post. Very well said. You're absolutely right: We'll never be 'friends' with the Dems or the MSM. They'll never 'respect' us or 'like' us, so long as we maintain our conservative ideals.


32 posted on 05/23/2005 10:32:54 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Somos un país soberano en una época de guerra. ¿Por qué no podemos defender nuestra frontera?)
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To: Sidebar Moderator

Sorry--I ment to index this article to Editorial. Can this be moved?


33 posted on 05/23/2005 10:39:21 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Somos un país soberano en una época de guerra. ¿Por qué no podemos defender nuestra frontera?)
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To: Kryptonite

The only hope I can derive from this stupidness is that the moonbat left isn't happy either.

Course they could be playing possum.


34 posted on 05/23/2005 10:43:02 PM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

"Them bones, them bones gonna rise again, gonna tax us up to our eyes again"


35 posted on 05/23/2005 10:44:39 PM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (whats wrong with a draft?)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

I believe he has subbed a couple of times for Hugh Hewitt. I wonder if Hewitt agrees


36 posted on 05/23/2005 10:49:38 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...you da man!!)
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To: DLfromthedesert

According to Hugh's website, he's neutral. He's not real happy, but he's waiting to see all the particulars.

Yes, Mitch and all the other Northern Alliance guys are much more exercised than Hugh, so far.


37 posted on 05/23/2005 10:55:26 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Somos un país soberano en una época de guerra. ¿Por qué no podemos defender nuestra frontera?)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
From Confirm Them

Capitulation, not compromise

This deal is a load of cr@!` It is not compromise, but capitulation. And I say that as somebody who did agree that a certain form of compromise was acceptable. But this comrpomise treats a couple of nominees, Saad and Myers, as pawns. It makes them not people, but expendable objects. And that is unconscionable. When BOTH of those men were nominated, years ago, there was no reason to believe they would be denied up-or-down votes. Their expectations, based on 214 years of history, were that they would be afforded up or down votes. I’ve seen, first-hand, the torment that judicial nominees go through. They don’t deserve to be treated like expendable pawns. That’s why ANY agreement that failed to afford fair votes for all the already pending nominees is not a compromise but a sell-out. Now, if the deal had been fair votes for all pending nominees, PLUS filibusters only in “extraordinary circumstances” for FUTURE nominees, then anybody who is asked to have his/her name submitted would know in advance what he is getting into. Everybody would understand the rules going in, and, while not optimal (optimal is killing all filibusters), it would have been better than an attempt that fails (fail because of gutless GOP senators) to kill all filibusters. I should be rejoicing right now because Bill Pryor, the guy I’ve most championed, will get a fair vote. But my heart goes out to Saad and especially Myers — Myers, because I see no way that he would fail to get 50 votes plus Cheney if he actually was afforded a fair chance.

All this talk about “preserving the Senate” is bunkum. Senators would have adjusted. Most senators have too high an opinion of their own legislative body anyway. The Senate NEEDS reform, not preservation in its current form. Way back when, two years ago, before the Estrada filibuster began, I was an advocate of a three-way deal ON PROCEDURES, between the White House and the two parties in the Senate, to head off the filibuster and maintain the dignity of the institution of the Senate AND maintain fairness to nominees. The White House had no interest then in such a deal. Now I bet the WHite House folks wished they had listened. But, having come to this point, the White House was absolutely in the right to demand up-or-down votes for all nominees. The Senators, ON BOTH SIDES, who fail to provide such a vote for pending nominees have sacrficed fairness (to Saad and Myers) for expedience and political advantage. I guarantee you there was horse-trading in there concerning pork and other matters. And I guarantee you that not a one of them gave a thought to the havoc they have wrecked on these nominees’ lives. Shame on them all. Fie on them all. Disdain for them all.

38 posted on 05/23/2005 11:14:43 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Somos un país soberano en una época de guerra. ¿Por qué no podemos defender nuestra frontera?)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Senate RINOs opposing the nuclear constitutional option

Next Election.... Name.... State.... Phone#


2006..... Snowe.... ME.... (202) 224-5344
Snowe, Olympia- (R - ME) Class I 154 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510

E-mail: olympia@snowe.senate.gov

2006..... Chafee.... RI.... (202) 224-2921
Chafee, Lincoln- (R - RI) Class I 141A RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510

Web Form: chafee.senate.gov/webform.htm

2006.... DeWine.... OH.... (202) 224-2315
DeWine, Mike- (R - OH) Class I 140 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510

Web Form: dewine.senate.gov

2008.... Graham... SC... (202) 224-5972
Graham, Lindsey- (R - SC) Class II 290 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510

Web Form: lgraham.senate.gov/index.cfm?mode=contact

2008.... Warner... VA... (202) 224-2023
Warner, John- (R - VA) Class II 225 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510

Web Form: warner.senate.gov/contact/contactme.cfm

2008.... Collins.... ME... (202) 224-2523
Collins, Susan- (R - ME) Class II 461 DIRKSEN SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510

Web Form: collins.senate.gov/low/contactemail.htm

2010.... McCain.... AZ.... (202) 224-2235
McCain, John- (R - AZ) Class III 241 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510


39 posted on 05/23/2005 11:18:19 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Somos un país soberano en una época de guerra. ¿Por qué no podemos defender nuestra frontera?)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
Frist says he wasn't a party to the agreement.
What can Frist can do, if these 14 senators stick together ?
40 posted on 05/23/2005 11:24:46 PM PDT by stylin19a ( Social Security...neither social nor secure.)
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To: stylin19a

He should have pushed for a vote and exercised the constitutional option long ago, before the Squishy Middle Caucus formed their cabal and signed their agreement, for starters.

We should have had a showdown.


41 posted on 05/23/2005 11:30:52 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Somos un país soberano en una época de guerra. ¿Por qué no podemos defender nuestra frontera?)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
Brabantio: "Thou art a villian!"

Iago: "Thou art--a SENATOR!"

Othello

Some things just have not changed.

42 posted on 05/23/2005 11:36:59 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

The Bard has spoken. Good post.


43 posted on 05/23/2005 11:39:23 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Somos un país soberano en una época de guerra. ¿Por qué no podemos defender nuestra frontera?)
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To: sinkspur
The only alternative is 60 GOP Senators.

Today's events ensures the opposite in 2006.

44 posted on 05/23/2005 11:45:42 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Republican no more.)
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To: sinkspur

This is the equivelent of if Bush had postponed attacking Iraq in March of 2003 to give the UN another six months work out a solution in good faith with Saddam. Of course nothing would be "off the table". But in reality the opportunity would be past. It took months and months to get to the wobbly Pubs to actually schedule a vote on this. It won't happen again. By the end of the year the RATS will fillibuster another judge and the cowardly RINOs will have their excuse not to support breaking the fillibuster.


45 posted on 05/23/2005 11:49:15 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Hugin
Your analysis is spot on.

The Nuclear Option now no longer exists.

46 posted on 05/23/2005 11:50:19 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Republican no more.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

we agree on that.


47 posted on 05/24/2005 12:31:51 AM PDT by stylin19a ( Social Security...neither social nor secure.)
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To: drt1

Backdoors politics making secret deals without the voter hearing who made what deal. ALL IN THE NAME OF DEMOCRACY. For us, (the majority) who voted for President Bush and a Republican House and Senate on the grounds that his judicial nominees have an up or down vote have been betrayed. It's plain and simple.


48 posted on 05/24/2005 12:35:58 AM PDT by ONETWOONE (onetwoone)
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To: T Lady
Until these fools get this through their thick skulls of mush, we'll keep getting the same garbage over and over. They'd sure as heck had better wake up.

They will never wake up because they know that 99 percent of the voters in this country will only ever vote for one of two parties, repubs and dems. So as long as they are on the republican ticket on election day they know that people who identify themselves as conservative will vote for them.

Garbage like this will only continue and get worse until people realize that they can actually vote for someone in a true conservative third party. Do you honestly think that the repubs will change when all they have to say to people is "vote for us because dems are worse"? That arguement actually worked for me until it just very recently became painfully obvious to me that they are basically no different than the dems when you get right down to it.

49 posted on 05/24/2005 12:52:38 AM PDT by frankiep
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To: drt1
the real meathead in this whole sickening deal is McTurd, the "maverick" senator who would slit every GOP senators throat just to get a little face time in the national media.

We couldn't throw McTurd out fast enough to suit me. And the other 6 Rinos with him.
50 posted on 05/24/2005 2:22:48 AM PDT by Bullish
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