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Why Gun Owners Worry:
The Volokh Conspiracy Blog ^ | 9-28 | Eugene Volokh

Posted on 09/28/2005 7:15:49 AM PDT by stan_sipple

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To: trisham

Let me hasten to add that while I strongly believe all firearms owners should join the gun rights organization of their choice, they should do some investigating first to make sure the organization is indeed dedicated to gun rights.

I recently heard about an organization, based in Massachusetts I believe, that passes itself off as a sportsman's group of some sort. In actuality it is backed by gun-grabbers of the Sarah Brady type. The gun-grabbers would like nothing better than to siphon off membership and resources from legitimate established gun rights groups. So let's make sure that the organization we join is not a gun-grabbing group flying a false flag.


41 posted on 09/29/2005 11:42:21 AM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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To: billnaz
I recently heard about an organization, based in Massachusetts I believe, that passes itself off as a sportsman's group of some sort. In actuality it is backed by gun-grabbers of the Sarah Brady type. The gun-grabbers would like nothing better than to siphon off membership and resources from legitimate established gun rights groups. So let's make sure that the organization we join is not a gun-grabbing group flying a false flag.

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It wouldn't surprise me. MA is fairly liberal, although there are pockets here and there that are conservative.

We joined the NRA.

42 posted on 09/29/2005 1:16:24 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Ohioan
Excellent essay, Mr. F. I fear we've gotten too far away from the concept of militias to ever expect to see them seriously reestablished in our lifetimes. Even the Boy Scouts are subject to libel and legal attacks from hate-driven liberals who see potential baby-killers behind every carefully placed merit badge. Indeed, the President himself went so far as to label the militia-like Minuteman Project "vigilantes" - and I don't think he meant that in it's most positive definition.

The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have illustrated that our states' National Guards are not militias in any form or fashion, merely extensions of the active Army. They don't really belong to their states when the Federal government can co-opt them for it's own uses at anytime while state governors are powerless to do anything about it. Something to think about the next time you hear anyone claiming that the National Guard is the modern militia.

43 posted on 09/30/2005 12:03:20 AM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (Have faith in God, because Man will disappoint you every time.)
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To: billnaz
No BAR? I heard they're getting hard to find in good condition.

To continue what I was just telling Ohioan, the concept of militias and the positive effects they have for society and the people serving in them (I'm not including those fringees who usually end up calling for Bo Gritz to mediate for them) seems to be dead in this country. The Junior ROTC is an excellent example of how a patriotic and wholesome endeavor was eventually wiped out by an academia rife with Communist sympathizers and liberal traitors (whoa, that was redundant!).

This country's currently disaffected youth would benefit hugely from a JROTC revival. A core group of clean-cut young men and women sporting positive values and clothes that fit would go a long way toward influencing their peers. Perhaps they'd even help irk the aging pinkos who teach them into the grave faster, too.
44 posted on 09/30/2005 12:28:12 AM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (Have faith in God, because Man will disappoint you every time.)
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To: DumpsterDiver
Huh, he's come some ways. I remember Eugene from years ago, when his footprint was much, much smaller.
45 posted on 09/30/2005 12:32:36 AM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: stan_sipple
No, Miss Ann Coulter for SCOTUS.

Blackrobes, like all other politicians, are either going to defend our Ratified Constitution or subvert it. There can be no more conservative vs liberal Politburo without eventual civil war.

When the Clintons' Politburo takes power, there shall be in place all the enabling legislation and appuratchiks to overwhelm We the People with a Leninist police state "for the children" - amid Islam's permanent Terror War against us and our childrens' childrens' children to establish their bloodthirsty Worldwide Caliphate, as commanded in their Koran.

We establishg our future now, for iour clans. Should we Constitutionalists fail to protect our ratified Constitution standing for our Rule of Law, then we shall surely have to defend it against the Law of Rule.

We learned during the first N.O. fiasco that police and N.G. shall not refuse unlawful orders to kick in doors and with the threat of assault rifles disarm law abiding citizens "under color of law" while in citizens' own homes only trying to protect their families and property.

The MSM was demanding, in the eyes and ears of the people, the total authority of a Tsar, not a law abiding president foiled by LA's office holders' gross negligence and corruptions' creative incompetence. Now these dangerous officials demand their very own command economy starting at $250 billion in federal taxpayers' money. They have no shame as We the People by and large have no memory.

This gun point flagrant violoation of our ratified Constitution is worthy of Concord Bridge II - in the face of the Tsarina's media. Remember Ruby Ridge and Mt. Carmel. Our betters fear the citizens. When the Clintons' Politburo comes to power, it shall be to win at Antietam II, assissted by their insatiably thirsty media lickspittles. Hillary remembers that Lenin was shot in the head by an angry socialist, a woman - who was herself executed forthwith by Lenin's secret police body guard detachment.

No spellcheck tonight! I am fuming over the widespread enemies of our free Republic - Politburo and Islam. We can lose the gift of our miracle Constitutional Republic within this decade. Only the yoke shall remain as history is rewritten.

46 posted on 09/30/2005 12:52:23 AM PDT by SevenDaysInMay (Federal judges and justices serve for periods of good behavior, not life. Article III sec. 1)
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To: NewRomeTacitus

When I win the lottery and can afford to go Class III you can bet one of the first things I buy will be a BAR. Until then I'll have to settle for one of the semiauto BAR's from Ohio Ordnance, and they aren't exactly cheap.

By the way, I forgot to mention that I also have a Springfield '03 in beautiful shape that is a tack-driver.

ROTC is a thing of the past in so many high schools and colleges, and our country is the worse for ROTC's absence. The town I live in is pro-military and conservative, so the local high school has a viable Junior ROTC unit. I've been privileged to meet some of the young cadets, and they are fine young men and women, unlike the stoners and slackers we see all too often.

You're right. The sooner the old hippies are out of the picture, the better this country will be.


47 posted on 09/30/2005 8:32:03 AM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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To: NewRomeTacitus
Indeed, the President himself went so far as to label the militia-like Minuteman Project "vigilantes" - and I don't think he meant that in it's most positive definition.

As the essay (New Orleans), you just praised should indicate, I no longer have much respect for the intellectual pretenses of the President. He is no more attuned to traditional American values than was Bill Clinton. The right things that he does, are in an effort to appeal to Conservatives. The wrong things that he does are in an effort to appeal to others. But there is not internal consistency, except in his acceptance of much that was wrong in the 20th Century in many of his public statements.

William Flax

48 posted on 09/30/2005 11:21:36 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: stan_sipple

The Second Amendment ~~
America's Original Homeland Security!

Be Ever Vigilant!


49 posted on 09/30/2005 12:53:25 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Ohioan

Praise? You're reporting the news as far as I see it. Any praise should go for your ability to see the forces at work more clearly than the average obfuscated citizen. Please keep up the great work.


50 posted on 10/01/2005 3:26:34 AM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (Have faith in God, because Man will disappoint you every time.)
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