Skip to comments.Iraq - Democrats Lied About WMDs
Posted on 11/03/2005 6:14:35 AM PST by areafiftyone
"He obviously has the capability and desire to build prohibited weapons and probably has some hidden in his country.
Jan - this may shed some additional light on our conversation last night. Check out all the links.
I also use these...
Which is probably why there are not 100 posts 30 minutes after this thread was put up.
I think no matter what Bush said, says, or will say the Dem's will controvert it.
We as a group know what the President said, was true. The evidence is all over the internet.
When they played back all the statements from the Dems on Fox news yesterday saying Sadam was a threat. Now they say I did not say that. BUSH LIED. Billary is the worst of them all.
I beleive in my President !!
Where is this group??? They/we should be shouting this information every minute of everyday.
I've seen far too many here side with the commies, saying President Bush lied. This thread has been up an hour and there are only 5 posts. Disgusting.
The Group I am speaking of is the Free Republic.
And yes I noticed the lack of response. I am sorry about that but, I shout it all the time. Too many Dem's in Maryland don't like to hear me.
Now if only the Republicans would make a very public noise about it!
Rush made a very long speech on this just yesterday.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In a major victory for the White House, the Senate early Friday voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions. Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133. The president praised the congressional action, declaring "America speaks with one voice." "The Congress has spoken clearly to the international community and the United Nations Security Council," Bush said in a statement. "Saddam Hussein and his outlaw regime pose a grave threat to the region, the world and the United States. Inaction is not an option, disarmament is a must."http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/11/iraq.us/
We elected our leaders to represent us.
They sent our troops to war. In reality, every one of us sent them there.
Saddam had WMD, we know that as a fact. The only question is "Where did they go." The burden of proof was on him to prove he no longer had them. WHen he didn't comply, we went in (remember, all Reagan declared was a "cease fire.")
We simply finished a job that nobody else had the guts to do. And now that the "oil for food" info is out- we know why. Ask any soldier how many NEW Russian and French weapons we found over there...
Richard Miniter has a new book out about the WMDs actually found and I agree that FrontPage has done a great job exposing these Commie-crats for who they are and what they said. Also, David Horowitz maintains DiscoverTheNetworks which exposes a lot of these issues very well.
Thank you for serving our country. I did happen to see a recent reference to this book but cannot remember where. A "friend" of mine actually was with the contingent that conducted some interviews and reviewed intelligence gleaned from captured terrorists. There have been a few (not enough) people in the conservative press that have mentioned this "Ghost Caravan" led by the Russians to Syria, which I have no doubt that they (the Ruskies) did. Who, other than the Chinese and the French, had as much of a vested interest in Saddam's regime than one of their major weapons suppliers?
The Goverment has stated that they were moved just before we went to Iraq into Syria and Iran. Of coarse you don't hear that anymore. Then Iran saying this week they have nuclear capability. Do the Dem's think this is all fiction and fabrication?
Has Dr. Khidhr Hamza told the US this?
The GOP-controlled Senate added an amendment to the $440-billion military spending bill that would extend to spies, terrorists, and Islamic jihadists the same rights U.S. citizens enjoy under the Constitution.
In other words, our military interrogators can no longer question suspected suicide bombers and murderers of women and children without the ACLU looking over their shoulder -- ready to haul some poor enlisted man into court just because he yelled at a terrorist or hurt a terrorists feelings.
If the Senate had done such a despicable thing during World War II, the American people would have stormed the Capitol, tarred and feathered all who voted for such treachery, and ridden them out of town on a rail.
This evil, suicidal bill if implemented would expose Americans to the greatest danger in the history of our nation: The planting of explosives on our subways. Suicide bombers killing American women and children. Airline hijackings. Assassinations.
Do you realize that not a single terrorist attack has occurred on American soil since 9/11 despite the dark, dire predictions of the political know-it-alls.
You know why? Because our worldwide intelligence operation has discovered and exposed plot after plot to kill Americans, both abroad and at home.
You may be alive today because some interrogator wasnt too fastidious about how he got his information from some proud, smirking jihadist.
Can anyone confirm this?
If this is true, we are in worse shape than I imagined, and I'm going to start flying my flag upside down..
the symbol for dire distress..yes it is a Federal Code..
I think I'll study on that exception for awhile..do you mean homicide, or murder?
Is a perceived threat of eminent force or bodily harm an exception to the exception?
I read through your post and am for ONCE...speechless!
I have to research this. Whatever are we thinking?
Is this a way to say we are at war?...NOT!!
This will not stand..it is un-constitutional..un-American..and really pisses me off.
Terrific roundup! Thanks for putting it all together.
That is the ONLY way we can the WAR on Terrorism..we are fighting terrorists...
The Rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights assume that people are civilized to a certain degree..unless you can assure me that OBL, Zarqwai, and their followers will demonstrate some degree of civility, they deserve NOTHING but the muzzle of a weapon..
you advocate negotiation with terrorists..appeasment...and surrender..
But lets be civilized about this...I truly want to help the terrorists..
THEY WANT TO DIE
I WANT TO HELP
Those people, with the exception of certain gangs, do not have a worldwide religion, nor do they have followers willing to die in their cause. That is criminal behavior...not TERRORISM..there is a definite distinction between someone who robs a bank and shoots a bank guard, and someone who will strap on a backpack and kill inocents..or fly a plane into a building..or set a bomb on a subway...or behead non-combatants...or use chemical, biological, or nuclear devices against civilians..
This is great, thanks. Now if we could only get this info into the NYTimes! :-)
Dear Fellow Conservative,
This is an email about one of the most powerful weapons of our time... "disinformation."
It's a weapon that is used on all of us over and over every day of our lives. How do I know this?
The deliberately suppressed list above is one reason. Here's another: Have you heard that Osama bin Laden is on kidney dialysis? I'll bet you have. Much of the Western media report bin Laden's presumed affliction as a matter of fact -- and most Americans believe it. But...
...it's just not true.
Now, you may well be thinking: "Why would the news media want to make me believe that Osama bin Laden is a very sick and perhaps dying man?" Well, here's why...
The news media are -- overwhelmingly -- against the Iraq War. The image of an aged, 6-foot, 8-inch Arab limping from cave to cave, trailing a camel loaded down with dialysis equipment -- eluding George W. Bush and the most powerful military in the world -- appeals to them enormously.
And so the myth lives on -- for SEVEN YEARS now! -- long past the normal life expectancy of patients hooked up to dialysis in the best hospitals, let alone the freezing, rugged mountains of the Afghan-Pakistani border.
There is a name for this phenomenon -- disinformation.
The term refers to the deliberate dissemination of FALSE information (and the intentional omission of TRUE information) for the purpose of confusing rivals or influencing public opinion.
Indeed, the false conclusion that "Bush lied, there were no WMDs in Iraq," is the main supporting claim of the anti-war Left. Without it, the movement collapses.
My name is Tom Winter, Editor in Chief of HUMAN EVENTS. It grieves me to admit that millions upon millions of Americans unknowingly accept blatant falsehoods as facts due to the power and prevalence of disinformation.
Take a look at some of the most pernicious lies that you have no doubt read or heard:
There is no connection between Iraq and al Qaeda
The U.S. funded the Taliban in the 1980s
Suitcase nukes are in place across America
Osama bin Laden was trained by the CIA
Halliburton made a fortune in Iraq
There were no Jews in the Word Trade Center on 9/11
What do each of these widely publicized, widely believed "facts" have in common? Here's what:
They are undeniably false... as you will discover in Disinformation, the new blockbuster book by veteran reporter Richard Miniter, and it will be my pleasure to send it to you FREE in hard cover, just for trying HUMAN EVENTS.
Rich Miniter's career sounds like something out of a spy thriller -- except it's real. In addition to writing for newspapers in the U.S., Western Europe, Africa and Southeast Asia, he has traveled with rebels into war zones in Uganda, Sudan and Burma and along smugglers' routes in Laos, Thailand and Cambodia.
Few reporters are more familiar with the methodology of disinformation -- the clever misdirection, false rumors, press manipulation, and endless repetition of falsehoods until they morph into "truth." Disinformation is a dark art, and Richard Miniter understands its shadings and subtleties.
The truth means nothing to the leftist, commie bastards. They make up the "truth" as they go along, and so does the MSM. But, the People are seeing through it, and that pi$$es them off.
you don't hand over the rights people died preserving to the people responsible for their deaths...convicted felons lose their rights...end of story..and end of this discussion...
Germany and Japan SURRENDERED...and re-joined the world commuinty..and haven't tried to kill our citizens on a continuous basis..
PING to the crew
I'm inclined to agree with Iraqikurd on this one, Bob.
I agree that all of our Constitutional rights should not be extended to suspected terrorists, but basic human rights should. I have always felt that torture was a barbaric and subhuman thing to consider, but that doesn't mean that modern interrogation techniques, including moderate brainwashing or de-conditioning, and chemical pursuaders should be forbidden.
I took pride in the fact that in the first Gulf War, Iraqi troops surrendered in droves to our men (and Machines!) It seemed to prove to me that civilised treatment of prisoners of war was the best way to win battles. Convincing your opponents to fight to the last man is just plain stupid, and costly in our lives as well as theirs.
We need to convince our friends and enemies that we have a better lifestyle, with freedom and justice for all, and not just a better war machine.
Its specious and inconsistant but its good enough for govt work.
No individual in the custody or under the physical control of the United States Government, regardless of nationality or physical location, shall be subject to cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment."
No cruel or inhuman treatment... that sounds reasonable... or does it?
But the phrase degrading treatment which could have been invented by Amnesty International -- is so vague and full of holes you could drive a Hummer through it.
Solitary confinement, harsh language, ridicule, mild threats, good-cop-bad-cop -- the Senate wants to outlaw all of these standard questioning techniques and restrict interrogators to the etiquette of a ladies lawn party.
These terrorists are butchering women and children all over the globe -- as well as launching sneak attacks on our troops and were supposed to walk on egg shells when we try to find out which Americans they intend to kill next?
Exactly what are our troops suppose to do when questioning these terrorist thugs in an attempt to save American lives?
"Pretty please Mr. terrorist... I beg you...could you please tell us the details of your NEXT attack on innocent Americans?"
That's about the size of it folks. After all, we will now have to be extra careful not to do ANYTHING THAT WOULD DEGRADE OR INSULT THESE KILLERS!
The U.S. Senate hasnt gotten the message: Were at war with fanatics who hate Americans.
These jihadists are willing to die for their faith, and we arent even willing to be ill-mannered to protect our freedom.
Our friends don't need convincing and our enemies think our lifestyle is a tool of satan..it's why they are our enemies..
they tried to DESTROY that lifestyle on 9/11
anyone who believes TERRORISTS...islamo-extremists...alQueda... is worthy of the same treatment as criminals or prisoners of war is not thinking clearly..or does not understand the evil we are dealing with..
Hell, let 'em vote too..and give 'em medial care, and social security.
Thanks for the ping!
You have a powerful rant going on, Bob, and I wouldn't want to throw water on it.
For the most part I agree with you. We cannot afford to treat our sworn enemies as party guests.
But we also cannot treat them as animals, or enemy combatants if they are only detainees, (persons of interest in an investigation. Theoretically, they could just be witnesses or bystanders when something goes down.)
I agree that we have shackled ourselves needlessly, and foolishly, if these rules are already in effect. But I still maintain that we need to take the high road in our treatment of prisoners. All prisoners.
Right up to the day they are to be hanged, or shot.
But degrading treatment is a phrase lifted from a document drafted by the United Nations.
Henceforth international terrorists throughout the world have all the rights of accused criminals in the United States. And an additional right freedom from degrading treatment which comes from the U.N., an organization also known as Hate America International.
We cant tolerate this surrender to Kofi Annans gang, a cowardly act designed to undercut the self-preservation of Americans under international attack.
We dont torture prisoners. We dont blindfold them, threaten them with execution, and televise their pathetic pleas for life.
We dont condone cruel and unusual punishments. We dont lop off prisoners heads in front of TV cameras or on the world wide web.
With few exceptions, we treat prisoners as humanely as any enemy has ever treated its enemies. Ask the handful of U.S. troops who survived captivity how the terrorists treated them.
Abu-Gharib was the exception -- not the rule -- and mere child's play in comparison to how these terrorists, murderers and thugs treat our people -- or even their own people for that matter.
The only atrocities going on at Guantanamo Bay are the atrocities that these murderers and thugs who are being detained are heaping upon the fine U.S. soldiers assigned to guard them.
We give these terrorists their own Korans, prayer rugs, clean living conditions, indoor plumbing and three square meals a day... many of them NEVER had it so good.
Of course that has not stopped anti-America members of our own media from literally beating up on our brave men and women in uniform -- looking for isolated examples of "abuse" -- and -- in many cases -- simply making them up.
These facts did not stop the liberal Senator from Illinois -- Dick Durbin -- from falsely comparing our brave men and women in uniform to NAZIs.
However... perhaps you now see why our GOP-lead Senate voted for this ghastly amendment?
Simply put, they did not want to be skewered by members of the anti-American press who would have -- without a doubt -- FALSELY reported opposition to this dastardly amendment as support of torture.
And that -- dear FRiends -- is cowardice, pure and simple!
While our troops risk their lives on the battlefield half-way around the world -- these spineless Senators would not even risk a little bad-mouthing from a biased media!
It's so sick... it's disgusting!
McCains amendment is a nasty, politically motivated slur on the integrity of our armed forces, and a gross insult to the American people.
What the Senate did two weeks ago must be undone.
Now I'm finished..
The difference between scared 18 to 25 year old conscripts, and the motivated, dedicated elements of the islamo-extremists should be obvious.
Great stuff and links.
What the Senate did two weeks ago must be undone.
What the Senate did two weeks ago must be undone.
When we have a riot here like France will Congress notice?
I received the same email from TownHall.com. It's legit.
I also agree with you.
...The Geneva conventions embody the idea that even in as brutal an activity as war, civilized nations could obey humanitarian rules: no attacking civilians and no retaliation against enemy soldiers once they fall into your hands. Destruction would be limited as much as possible to professional soldiers on the battlefield. That rule required, unconditionally, that soldiers distinguish themselves from civilians by wearing uniforms and carrying arms openly.Take the time to read the whole article.
Obedience to Geneva rules rests on another bedrock moral principle: reciprocity. Nations will treat an enemys soldiers humanely because they want and expect their adversaries to do the same. Terrorists flout every civilized norm animating the conventions. Their whole purpose is to kill noncombatants, to blend into civilian populations, and to conceal their weapons. They pay no heed whatever to the golden rule; anyone who falls into their hands will most certainly not enjoy commissary privileges and wages, per the Geneva mandates. Heor shemay even lose his head...
This is not a popularity contest. To me, cost-benefit analysis says pussy-footing around with terrorists will do nothing but cause the death of more innocents. So the question is, is it more humane to provide human debris all the protections of the U.S. Constitution when it will more assuredly mean the deaths of innocents? Seems silly when you're in a shooting war and the detainees were lucky to have not caught a bullet in the head on the battlefield.
Dang! I hate it when I miss Rush.
Ask any soldier how many NEW Russian and French weapons we found over there...
Never thought of that question!
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