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While I do agree that Mutha sucks, his statement doesn't seem to be a call for retreat directed at the military. It's more along the lines of "bring our troops home" stuff.

But that's what "bring the troops home" has ALWAYS meant and has ALWAYS amounted too, at least in my lifetime.

(Or course I mean those that adopt "bring the troops home" as political slogan in the midst of strife, not longing families who miss their sons and daughters, and not politicians who would bring the troops home in victory with their mission accomplished. But then there's not the slightest doubt to which side of this distinction Murtha falls. He's long since declared the war "unwinnable" with the current strategy: that of killing terrorists, training and equipping Iraqis to kill terrorists and establishing democracy.)

Actually "bring the troops home now" has always been, and certainly is now, MORE than just a call for retreat; it is a treasonous lie. It's never been just a call for unilateral surrender, but rather an attempt to extend aid to America's enemies.

WE KNOW that those who engineered the "bring the troops home now" campaign in 1945 and '46 sought to clear the way for Stalin to extend his empire over all of Europe. WE KNOW that those who said they "only" wanted to "bring the boys home" from Vietnam lied, because when the troops were all safely home they only redoubled their efforts in undermining, demonizing and demoralizing America's allies in Indochina, blocking enforcement of the Paris Accords, and repeatedly slashing aid to Vietnam and Cambodia.

These people never say what they mean but, given the repeated lessons of recent history, any failure to properly decode the real meaning of "bring the troops home now" -- and energetically respond to the intent -- is feckless and inexcusable.

" He isn't saying that any soldiers should cut and run, but rather that the President should order them to leave Iraq."
Please become un-confused. Read your above. That spells cut and run not only to our Marines but our Army,Navy, and Airforce. They are commisioned to do a job, and that is to free Iraq from the leftover evil doers of all flavors and fully train the new Iraqi forces to be self sufficient. This asshole is suggestion we cut and run. I listened to him on PBS tonight. He made it clear they could be removed and put in Kuwait! What an ass&hole! And he was a Marine Colonel! He has lost touch with what one would expected him to fully understand. Imagine moving 130,000 plus US forces into Kuwait in holding pens! Think about the ramifications. No this guy has gone over the edge and some republicans with a clear speaking voice with all the facts better had start sticking up for the POTUS or the damn demos and the L/MSM are going to win their NAM engineered fiasco once again.

"bring the troops home stuff"

is "RAT speak" for "cut and run"---Murtha is an 'old fool' who is up for election in 2006 and has to toe the 'RAT" line for money and other support---Pittsburgh, in my state of PA., is a "RAT" city and deserves Murtha-- with his resume on the services and defense he should know better than to say such a thing when his beloved? Corp is in harms way---God Bless all of our troops and Semper Fi--

Semper Paratus--US Coast Guard WW2 combat vet

... his statement doesn't seem to be a call for retreat directed at the military

My friend, it's time for you to take a remedial reading course. Murtha is very clear in his meaning"

Direct quote from his webpage:

"My plan calls:

To immediately redeploy U.S. troops consistent with the safety of U.S. forces.

Now, if you want to pull a Clinton and argue the subtleties between "immediately redeploy" and "immediately withdraw", that's fine. However, The New York Times, Washington Post, San Francisco Chronicle, San Jose Mercury News and CNN.com all reported Murtha as calling for "immediate withdrawal." Check it out at Google News.