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Unions and Republicans?
Posted on 12/19/2005 11:20:49 AM PST by NYCVOICE
Anyone have any information about republican's supporting unions? Need it for a debate.
TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: gop; help; unions; unionvote
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posted on
12/19/2005 11:20:49 AM PST
by
NYCVOICE
To: NYCVOICE
they certainly don't support the confederacy :)
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posted on
12/19/2005 11:24:29 AM PST
by
kerryusama04
(The Bill of Rights is not occupation specific.)
To: NYCVOICE
Hmmmm,
republicans and unions...............
both claim to act in your best interest, but in reality only want your money.
That's the best I've got, hope it helps.
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posted on
12/19/2005 11:26:51 AM PST
by
WhiteGuy
(Vote for gridlock)
To: NYCVOICE
Why would a republican want to give his hard-earned paycheck to some union thug to speak for him or her?
Most republicans speak for themselves and take responsibility for the wages they earn or don't earn.
To: NYCVOICE
I dunno. Do you have any about Unions supporting Republicans?
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posted on
12/19/2005 11:31:58 AM PST
by
theDentist
(Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
To: NYCVOICE
I can report that The Chinese love American Unions.
To: TexasCajun
Even any history of Support between Labor unions and the Republican party. Has to be something.
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posted on
12/19/2005 11:35:20 AM PST
by
NYCVOICE
To: NYCVOICE
I know several people who are Catholic and pro life but due to Unions in their life only vote Democrat. Go figure that one out.
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posted on
12/19/2005 11:45:37 AM PST
by
alisasny
(BYE B YE TOOKIE)
To: NYCVOICE
I've worked with unions as a company rep and in prevention--I've been Republican/Libertarian for thirty years. Usually it is a fact a union wants dues paying members and offers their representative services in exchange. Should the company be in a bargaining situation, sometimes there can be agreement, but I've never seen a situation where the union didn't oversell their value--its also in their interest most of the time to foment a we versus they atmosphere, most unfortunate. One key item to remember in a debate is that the company cannot be forced to do anything in negotiations it wouldn't do without a union. The union can get nothing for the employees the company isn't willing to give. Best thing to do is get ahead of the curve on this.
I can see where in some circumstances it is possible to have a contract and run pretty well. The danger is allowing or putting anything into the contract that would have the effect of hindering necessary changes in order to remain competitive. And that's possible. Generally it's true the organization only gets the union it deserves--usually because of dumb management decisions, arbitrary changes to wages, hours and working conditions, or because company reps forget their employees are human too--and no better or worse than they are.
To suggest an interest in the GOP supporting unions is tough--certainly a fair NLRB (including the so-called administrative law judges) and a fair General Counsel would be issues the GOP should be working for with all the might they can--a number of us may support that.
To support unions for the sake of organizing is more challenging. Usually when there is an organizing attempt, it is an adversarial situation from the start.
Given the history of unions and their propaganda for socialist/democratic candidates, the leadership has poisoned the well. I would rather see them dissolve into obscure obsolescence than grow in any sector. Their game is money as much as its the company's lifeblood. Many suck some of that away and that's all they are--bloodsuckers on the bodies of working folks.
Some of the modern contracts with the UAW are exceptional though and workable for everyone involved. But they are still bloodsuckers who never contribute one thing to the sales of product. My three cents worth.
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posted on
12/19/2005 12:01:32 PM PST
by
BamaAndy
(Heart & Iron--the story of America through an ordinary family. ISBN: 1-4137-5397-3)
To: BamaAndy
Well Written. Thank you. I appreciate the thoughts.
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posted on
12/19/2005 12:15:06 PM PST
by
NYCVOICE
To: NYCVOICE
Thank you, sir. If you're in a campaign, good luck. If its a political debate with family or friends--peace to all and Merry Christmas. I hope the debate doesn't call ill-will.
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posted on
12/19/2005 1:22:12 PM PST
by
BamaAndy
(Heart & Iron--the story of America through an ordinary family. ISBN: 1-4137-5397-3)
To: NYCVOICE
Shelley Moore Capito was supported by the United Mine Workers last election. Does that count?
To: All
I'm a union member, who owns a union business. I am also one of many conservatives who are union members. I'd say we pretty much feel that the unions should get the heck out of liberal politics, and secretly hope that conservative politicians will seek the support of unions.
As a business owner I look at the union as a business, and negotiations are for profits for the members. A deal is a deal.
Having said all of that, the union has been much more help to me as a business owner than it was as a member. I am able to call upon qualified workers (mine is a dangerous, and technical business) when I need them. I pay a good wage an feel good about the lifestyle that my employees are able to maintain. Without the union they wouldn't have it so good, and I am sure that I wouldn't either.
unions do lot's of things wrong. They do protect the worthless (although mine is much less apt to do this than others), and sometimes throw their weight around (same with some of the employers though), but I find that most members are willing to work hand in hand with me as their employer.
Dan
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posted on
12/19/2005 5:30:00 PM PST
by
xmission
(What has four legs and an arm?... A happy pitbull)
To: NYCVOICE
Jimmy Hoffa Sr. wanted to endorse Richard Nixon in 1960, in defiance of his allies in the labor movement.
The Teamsters supported Republicans-at least at the national level-from him, through Jackie Presser, all the way until Carey, who worked with Bill Clinton and the DNC to seize control of that union.
This was when they were still under federal oversight.
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