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Rupert Murdoch's Growing Porn Empire
The New American ^ | March 14, 2006 | William Norman Grigg

Posted on 03/15/2006 9:23:06 AM PST by Willie Green

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To: AmusedBystander

To imply that atheists are less moral than those who are religious - and that atheists somehow wish to impose immorality on their childeren - is simply absurd.


51 posted on 03/15/2006 2:23:35 PM PST by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: coop71
To imply that atheists are less moral than those who are religious - and that atheists somehow wish to impose immorality on their childeren - is simply absurd.

Why? What's the point of being moral if there really is nothing bigger in your life than you?

52 posted on 03/15/2006 2:59:33 PM PST by AmusedBystander
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To: AmusedBystander
Why? What's the point of being moral if there really is nothing bigger in your life than you?

From what I understand, it relates to the simple idea that being a moral person and leading a moral life is much more satisfying to ones self and to humanity, than being an immoral jerk. Do you really believe that without God guiding the way, all people are intrinsically evil or immoral? How would that explain all the immoral yet religious people I know? If you're a Christian, assuming you are from your original post, I would think you'd know better.

53 posted on 03/15/2006 3:10:18 PM PST by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: Alberta's Child

Is he going senile or something? I thought he was able to make money without getting his hands dirty, (no pun intended.)


54 posted on 03/15/2006 3:12:30 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
I thought he was able to make money without getting his hands dirty, (no pun intended.)

LOL. You sure that wasn't intended?

55 posted on 03/15/2006 3:22:44 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child

Maybe just a touch.


56 posted on 03/15/2006 3:25:20 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: coop71
If you're a Christian, assuming you are from your original post, I would think you'd know better.

I kinda think Jesus wouldn't care for atheists too much. Wasn't much tolerance for much back then.

Personally, that is between them and their maker whatever.

57 posted on 03/15/2006 3:59:46 PM PST by AmusedBystander
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To: AmusedBystander
What's the point of being moral if there really is nothing bigger in your life than you?

Because it's right. Does your moral code really reduce to "do whatever the authority figure tells you to"?

58 posted on 03/15/2006 4:06:04 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (Chloe rocks)
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To: ThinkDifferent
Because it's right.

What makes it right? If the "authority figure" is God, then yes.

59 posted on 03/15/2006 4:10:45 PM PST by AmusedBystander
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To: AmusedBystander
What makes it right?

The determination that it will make the world better (or at least not worse).

If the "authority figure" is God, then yes.

So the only difference between you and the Islamofascists is the specific book which you assert contains God's instructions? I don't believe that.

60 posted on 03/15/2006 4:23:43 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (Chloe rocks)
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To: ThinkDifferent
So the only difference between you and the Islamofascists is the specific book which you assert contains God's instructions? I don't believe that.

Now now. Calling someone the I word is as bad as calling someone the N word.

No, I agree that you can live a moral life without believing in anything. But why bother?

Of course, I don't have a problem with acknowledging that God created a pretty cool place for all of us to live. I just don't know why some fail to give Him the respect He deserves.

61 posted on 03/15/2006 4:37:38 PM PST by AmusedBystander
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To: AmusedBystander
Calling someone the I word is as bad as calling someone the N word.

Which I didn't, and I apologize if I expressed myself poorly. I know full well you are vastly better than they, and it's not just because you follow a different religious text.

62 posted on 03/15/2006 5:02:44 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (Chloe rocks)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
How are you going to tax it? Most porn is now produced by overseas companies through the Internet.

And will continue to be produced overseas. The problem is recruitment. In a healthy, prosperous country, pretty girls have better options than porn. In a not quite so prosperous country (like Eastern Europe in the 90's or Brazil now) there are tons of pretty girls who will do absolutely anything for a few thousand.

63 posted on 03/15/2006 5:18:58 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: AmusedBystander
Why would an atheist care if their kid watched porn or not?

You mean the only reason you don't want your kid to watch porn is religious? Hmmmm.... Why would atheists want their kids to watch porn any more than anyone else?
64 posted on 03/15/2006 5:30:15 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: AmusedBystander
What's the point of being moral if there really is nothing bigger in your life than you?

Because we really believe in morality even if there is no supernatural being giving it to us. I'd turn the question around. Aren't all you theists who are acting morally just performing a cost-benefit anaylsis? You act morally now so that you have an eternal reward in the future. We atheists act morally because we believe in helping others with no future eternal reward. Why is there a default that atheists are less moral - seems like the opposite should be true.
65 posted on 03/15/2006 5:34:24 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: Sam the Sham
In a not quite so prosperous country (like Eastern Europe in the 90's or Brazil now) there are tons of pretty girls who will do absolutely anything for a few thousand.

Those countries have socialist economic systems too.

Hell, I'd do porn too if the government confiscated almost all my hard-earned money.

66 posted on 03/15/2006 6:10:11 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: Alberta's Child

Sounds worth a try. I'm going to make a note of the advertizers situated around the offending ads and try that tactic.


67 posted on 03/15/2006 7:05:44 PM PST by tertiary01
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To: Biblebelter
"but I wish the idiot politicians would tax porn like they tax alcohol and tobacco." - Yeah, you're not much of a right winger either.
68 posted on 03/15/2006 7:20:53 PM PST by Panerai
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To: coop71
To imply that atheists are less moral

Atheists can be touchy about this. Define "moral".

69 posted on 03/15/2006 7:24:36 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Panerai

More taxes! Thats the answer... barf


70 posted on 03/15/2006 7:25:38 PM PST by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Willie Green; Sax
FoXXX News

Clemenza: I'm here to clean your pool!

Rudy Bakhtiar and Keirin Chetry: But, we don't have a pool!

Clemenza: I Know...

(Cue cheesey music)

71 posted on 03/15/2006 7:27:41 PM PST by Clemenza (Seattle: The Pesto of Cities --- George Costanza)
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To: Sam the Sham

Don't worry about it, there are plenty of American girls still wanting to do porn.


72 posted on 03/15/2006 7:29:25 PM PST by Panerai
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To: Tribune7
I'm not an atheist, but I know several. I'll venture to guess that when they refer to someone as being moral, they mean someone who lives an honest, law-abiding, upstanding life - and that can include going along with social norms that run to the conservative side of the fence: including marriage(e.g., not cheating because it harms the family, for starters), sexuality (e.g., not sleeping around or acting promiscuous, nor indulging in excess or unhealthy sexual practices that may harm themself or someone else either mentally or physically - to include letting kids watch porn previews in hotels), work ethic (work hard, treat customers, employees and employers fairly), etc., and to raise their kids the same way. You get my point, yet I'm just scratching the surface.

That said, the atheists I know all fit in the above category. It's like they go out of their way to be decent. I have no problem with that at all.
73 posted on 03/15/2006 7:47:06 PM PST by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: Panerai
Don't worry about it, there are plenty of American girls still wanting to do porn.

How many of them are covergirl beautiful. Eastern European girls who do porn are covergirl beautiful.

74 posted on 03/15/2006 7:51:46 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Servant of the 9

Especially all the money they make off hours of work paid for by U.S. companies. But the lost productivity is no big deal. So what is sharia law come a little earlier than it would otherwise.


75 posted on 03/15/2006 7:58:57 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: coop71
That said, the atheists I know all fit in the above category. It's like they go out of their way to be decent. I have no problem with that at all.

Neither do I. The atheists, I've known, however, do not generally fit in that category.

76 posted on 03/15/2006 8:18:27 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Acts 2:38

I do not support Fox News. Its to liberal for me.


77 posted on 03/15/2006 8:44:58 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Stone Mountain
Because we really believe in morality even if there is no supernatural being giving it to us.

But morality is a supernatural being. A belief system based on good vs evil or right vs wrong. Before one can know what is right or what is wrong, one must look to a template of behaviour. Your just relying upon the blueprint for modern life with no credit given to its Creator.

My Creator is not supernatural at all. He is manifest in all things including ourselves. One can not look into the night sky or into the eyes of our children and not be awed by what we have been given.

78 posted on 03/16/2006 9:04:03 AM PST by AmusedBystander
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To: AmusedBystander
But morality is a supernatural being. A belief system based on good vs evil or right vs wrong. Before one can know what is right or what is wrong, one must look to a template of behaviour. Your just relying upon the blueprint for modern life with no credit given to its Creator.

I disagree with this, as do most atheists. We believe than Man is able to understand good and evil without a Creator. Virtually all religions and belief systems have some form of the Golden Rule, and that rule is a moral rule that does not require a Creator to give or explain it. Our fundamental disagreement, and one that will almost certainly not get resolved, is the idea that this template of moral behavior must come from God, and not creatable by man.
79 posted on 03/16/2006 9:09:06 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: AmusedBystander
One can not look into the night sky or into the eyes of our children and not be awed by what we have been given.

We atheists feel the same way. We just disagree about the cause (giver).
80 posted on 03/16/2006 9:10:16 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: Willie Green

Oh heavens, no!


81 posted on 05/08/2006 7:58:20 PM PDT by libertarianben (Looking for sanity and his hard to find cousin common sense)
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To: Willie Green
Rupert is getting past scary. . .was just on Neil Cavuto and said he hoped Neil would join him. . .and others at FoxNews for his Hillary fundraising. . .

I feel our ship sinking. . .sinking. . .

82 posted on 05/10/2006 2:14:26 PM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal-free. . .)
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