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Lesbian couple found guilty of boy´s murder: Would not say Daddy.
Alains Newsletter Blog ^ | March 24, 2006

Posted on 03/24/2006 10:09:50 AM PST by VU4G10

A four-year-old boy died after he was brutally assaulted when he refused to call his mother's lesbian lover "Daddy", The Star newspaper reported on Thursday.

Jandre's mother, Hanelie Botha (31), and her partner Engeline de Nysschen (33) appeared in the Vereeniging Regional Court on Wednesday and were found guilty of the boy's gruesome murder.

His father, Jan, sat in court holding the hands of his fiancée, Yolanda Deysel, and listened attentively to Magistrate Rita Willemse, who in her judgement, accepted evidence that among the reasons that led to Jandre's brutal ordeal was his refusal to call De Nysschen "Daddy", the paper said.

The court had heard evidence from Lydia Nkomo and her daughter Aletta Lesiba, who worked for the couple in their tuckshop, that De Nysschen had viciously assaulted Jandre while demanding that he must call her "Daddy".

Both testified that while Jandre was assaulted, his mother failed to intervene or protect him. Evidence showed he had sustained horrific injuries, including a fractured skull and brain damage, as well as broken legs, collarbone, hands and pelvis.

The court accepted the evidence of Professor Mohammed Dada, a trauma expert, who said the boy's injuries were similar to those of a person who had fallen from a double-storey building.

Delivering judgement, Willemse acknowledged there was no substantial evidence linking Hanelie to the assaults, but said she was equally guilty of murder for failing in her legal duty to protect her child against abuse and violation.

The court found she had lied to Dr Elna Gibson, one of the medical doctors who treated Jandre, by saying the boy got his injuries after he had slipped in the bath.

The doctors who had examined Jandre dismissed the pair's version that he had slipped in the bath. They said excessive force was required to inflict the kind of fatal injuries sustained by Jandre.

Convicting the two, Willemse dismissed their version and said there was substantial medical evidence before her about the nature of the injuries suffered by Jandre.

The case was postponed until June 26 for a pre-sentencing report. - Sapa

Johannesburg, South Africa 23 March 2006 08:04


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KEYWORDS: childabuse; deviants; duplicatethread; homosexualagenda; johannesburg; killers; lesbiankillers; lesbians; lesbos; murder; perverts; sickos
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1 posted on 03/24/2006 10:09:54 AM PST by VU4G10
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To: VU4G10

Even kids know its not right......................


2 posted on 03/24/2006 10:10:51 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: VU4G10
A related thread on Violence and Homosexuality.
3 posted on 03/24/2006 10:11:34 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: PeterPrinciple

Hard to understand why the authorities even consider letting people like this adopt children.


4 posted on 03/24/2006 10:12:22 AM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: VU4G10
A four-year-old boy died after he was brutally assaulted when he refused to call his mother's lesbian lover "Daddy", The Star newspaper reported on Thursday.

Sounds very reasonable. Sure hope the states get their act together so these two can marry and adopt more children.

5 posted on 03/24/2006 10:12:35 AM PST by Always Right
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To: VU4G10

Another victim of PC.

Freaks should not be allowed to adopt children.


6 posted on 03/24/2006 10:12:46 AM PST by tomahawk (Proud to be an enemy of Islam)
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To: VU4G10

A lesbo and a dike get a child who isn't "pc" so they kill him. Great.


7 posted on 03/24/2006 10:13:14 AM PST by ThirstyMan (hysteria: the elixir of the Left that trumps all reason)
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To: VU4G10
Both testified that while Jandre was assaulted, his mother failed to intervene or protect him

As did the two witnesses, apparently.

8 posted on 03/24/2006 10:14:11 AM PST by Gator101
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To: VU4G10

Sick sick sick.


9 posted on 03/24/2006 10:14:24 AM PST by Earthdweller
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To: VU4G10
Wait until some other butch cellmate tells this woman she needs to call HER "daddy". Shoe's on the other foot now. Perhaps the final outcome will be the same.
10 posted on 03/24/2006 10:14:25 AM PST by stm (You can fix a lot of thing s, but you can't fix stupid)
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To: ThirstyMan

The dyke murderer should be executed.


11 posted on 03/24/2006 10:14:44 AM PST by tomahawk (Proud to be an enemy of Islam)
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12 posted on 03/24/2006 10:16:26 AM PST by DirtyHarryY2K ("Ye shall know them by their fruits" ;-))
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To: VU4G10

Dear Lord. This poor child... What is wrong with these people?


13 posted on 03/24/2006 10:16:27 AM PST by Kaylee Frye
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To: VU4G10

So they want the kids to be even more than just props for their freak show. They actually want them to play along. Agree with above, even the kid knew this was silly on its face. With this in mind there's no telling what is going on in what amounts to an insane asylum disguised as a "family".


14 posted on 03/24/2006 10:17:14 AM PST by n230099
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To: BenLurkin
Hard to understand why the authorities even consider letting people like this adopt children.

I'm not sure I get your meaning here ... unless that woman had prior charge/evidence of child abuse, how were the authorities to know she would behave in this horrific manner? I'm sure the question doesn't come up in adoption interviews, "If you insist on being called *Daddy* and the child refuses, how will you react?"

15 posted on 03/24/2006 10:18:33 AM PST by MozarkDawg
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To: VU4G10

This does not count as a hate crime, of course. It's just an anamoly that has no bearing on the dicussion of homophobia.


16 posted on 03/24/2006 10:18:42 AM PST by TeenagedConservative
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To: Kaylee Frye
What's wrong with these people? Well, lemme see.....starting with the A's.....better bring a lunch just in case, this could take a while......
17 posted on 03/24/2006 10:18:45 AM PST by stm (You can fix a lot of thing s, but you can't fix stupid)
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To: VU4G10

No, no. They are all peaceful. Just like the peace protesters who destroy downtown areas.


18 posted on 03/24/2006 10:20:55 AM PST by jw777
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To: tomahawk

Does South Africa have the death penalty?


20 posted on 03/24/2006 10:22:14 AM PST by green iguana
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To: VU4G10; NYer

....word fail.


21 posted on 03/24/2006 10:22:38 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: VU4G10

This is too sick for words.
I thank the Lord that this little one is safe now with Jesus in Heaven, far away from this sick sick world.


22 posted on 03/24/2006 10:22:55 AM PST by MeekMom (Praise Jesus! We have so much to be thankful for!)
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To: Republicus2001

Jeez.


23 posted on 03/24/2006 10:23:03 AM PST by Sam's Army (Another unsuccessful attempt to refrain from posting)
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To: tomahawk

These things wouldn't happen if we'd just allow them to marry, you know! /brain-dead mode off


24 posted on 03/24/2006 10:23:44 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: VU4G10

I wish I didn't have to read this:

a four year old boy..."sustained horrific injuries, including a fractured skull and brain damage, as well as broken legs, collarbone, hands and pelvis."

It makes me feel sick to the stomach. Sick with anger and revulsion.

Makes me think that the old ways of public execution, hanging drawing and quartering may not have been wrong.

Would certainly have reduced the chances of this sort of thing this happening again.


25 posted on 03/24/2006 10:23:46 AM PST by plenipotentiary
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To: VU4G10
Back in the early 80s saw a young boy in the same situation as this one...he too would not call the 'bull dyke' of his lesbian mother's 'relationship' daddy...much to it's chagrin..

After he got somewhat chastised for it they put him in their vehicle as punishment..

I figured they would nail him good when they got him home and had some privacy..

If that young man is still alive...I wonder what kind of a man he is today...and what kind of citizen?
26 posted on 03/24/2006 10:25:12 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: VU4G10

Just one more valid reason to kill the innocent and defenseless. Sarc


27 posted on 03/24/2006 10:25:18 AM PST by Neoliberalnot
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To: VU4G10
The court accepted the evidence of Professor Mohammed Dada, a trauma expert,

A Moose-limb as an expert on trauma.

There are some many things wrong in this story; it's like a melting pot of human debris.

Prayers for the little boy's soul.

28 posted on 03/24/2006 10:25:33 AM PST by george wythe
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To: MississippiDeltaDawg

The meaning was quite clear to me -- homosexuals should not be allowed to adopt children. Plain and simple.


29 posted on 03/24/2006 10:27:17 AM PST by TommyDale
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To: tomahawk

"Freaks should not be allowed to adopt children.
"

I believe one of the women was the boy's natural mother, so that doesn't really come into play here.


30 posted on 03/24/2006 10:29:04 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MississippiDeltaDawg
Hard to understand why the authorities even consider letting people like this adopt children.

Reply:

I'm not sure I get your meaning here ... unless that woman had prior charge/evidence of child abuse… I'm sure the question doesn't come up in adoption interviews, "If you insist on being called *Daddy* and the child refuses, how will you react?"

I think "Are you a lesbian?" would take care of it, don't you?

31 posted on 03/24/2006 10:29:46 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: ThirstyMan
A lesbo and a dike get a child who isn't "pc" so they kill him. Great.

How is it PC to call a woman Daddy?
32 posted on 03/24/2006 10:29:51 AM PST by msnimje (SAMMY for SANDY --- THAT IS WHAT I CALL A GOOD TRADE!!!)
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To: BenLurkin

"Hard to understand why the authorities even consider letting people like this adopt children."

I believe that the boy was the biological son of one of the women, so this doesn't really apply.


33 posted on 03/24/2006 10:30:18 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan

Follow Florida's lead. NO GAY ADOPTIONS!


34 posted on 03/24/2006 10:31:14 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: VU4G10

They need to send this butch kid killing bitch to a male prision.....


35 posted on 03/24/2006 10:31:55 AM PST by MadeInAmerica ( - Tested in the Middle East)
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To: massgopguy

"Follow Florida's lead. NO GAY ADOPTIONS!"

How would that have changed this ugly situation? From my reading of the story, the boy was the natural son of one of the women.

How many children adopted by lesbians have been murdered, do you think? How many people adopted by heterosexuals have been murdered?

I don't know the answer to either question.


36 posted on 03/24/2006 10:33:17 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: george wythe

He was a witness for the prosecution. He essentaially stated that what those dyke hell b!tches did to the poor boy was an equivalent to a two story drop.

Without his testimony, they might have gotten a more lenient sentence or worse, gotten off because there was no one to contradict the dykes' claims.


37 posted on 03/24/2006 10:33:21 AM PST by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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To: MineralMan
"Freaks should not be allowed to adopt children."

I believe one of the women was the boy's natural mother, so that doesn't really come into play here.

Sure it does. She should have had the kid taken away from her for putting him in an environment dangerous to the morals (and life) of a minor.

38 posted on 03/24/2006 10:34:29 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: plenipotentiary
She beat, tortured, and finally killed a small child for not calling her something that she could never be. This pig isn't even human.
Death is too good for this thing. Give me an hour alone with her and she would beg for death. All the pain that I can only imagine inflicting on her she will face when she gets to prison and they put her in the general population.
They will make her suffer each and every day before they finally kill her. There is no torture that I can think of that is too harsh for her. She will get justice at the hands of her fellow prisoners, not in the courts.
39 posted on 03/24/2006 10:36:21 AM PST by oldenuff2no
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Oh, because this just never happens in straight marriages/relationships. [/sarc]

And before anyone begins to bash me, I am not in favor of homosexual marriage, totally against it, I think it is a sure road to destruction. But I don't see this problem as inherent to homosexual adoption.

40 posted on 03/24/2006 10:43:23 AM PST by MozarkDawg
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To: VU4G10

A four-year-old boy died after he was brutally assaulted when he refused to call his mother's lesbian lover "Daddy", The Star newspaper reported on Thursday.



He was an obvious homo-phobe right?


Yet one more reason to be disgusted by these perverts.


41 posted on 03/24/2006 10:43:29 AM PST by trubluolyguy (Islam is a Cult of Death that has been infiltrated by a few non-violent believers.)
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To: VU4G10

I wondered about the source for this and then went to the Cape Times in South Africa. Sure enough, it's there: http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20060323003352635C383347

Very sick.


42 posted on 03/24/2006 10:50:31 AM PST by jwalburg (If I have not seen as far as others, it is because of the giants standing on my shoulders.)
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To: Always Right

Not that it matters, but this couple is in South Africa.


43 posted on 03/24/2006 10:50:45 AM PST by stands2reason
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To: MississippiDeltaDawg
But I don't see this problem as inherent to homosexual adoption.

I just don't think you thought that statement all the way through... The boy was beaten to death by a homosexual.. because the boy would not call her "daddy"

44 posted on 03/24/2006 11:00:16 AM PST by DirtyHarryY2K ("Ye shall know them by their fruits" ;-))
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To: ThirstyMan
A lesbo and a dike get a child who isn't "pc" so they kill him. Great.

Hey, this is the new and improved PC, don't you know?/sarcasm off

On a serious note, if a person can read about the terror and pain this baby indured without shedding tears or at least a lump in their throat, then I feel sorry for that person.

45 posted on 03/24/2006 11:05:01 AM PST by zip ((Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough become truth to 48% of all Americans (NRA))))
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To: stands2reason
It makes no difference where this happened. It could have been two gay men wanting the boy to call one of them mommy. It's the same thing. Two people assume they are going to have a relationship and will force their definitions of their family on the rest of the world, starting with a 4 year old boy. They can play make believe that one of them is a man all they want between each other but they do not have the ability to make the rest of the world buy into their fantasy.
I've never heard of any "father, or daddy" ever being anything other than a man. I know several couples where there are two mommies or two dads. Those definitions are real and true.
This one is not.
Somewhere out there is this child's real father. Is it possible that this child had a relationship with that man and knew who and what his father really is? Is it possible that this child resented that another person and definition was being forced on him?
Think about it, there had to be some reason that the child refused this stupid and untrue request.
46 posted on 03/24/2006 11:09:43 AM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: MississippiDeltaDawg
I don't see this problem as inherent to homosexual adoption.

It sure was in this case.

47 posted on 03/24/2006 11:21:02 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: MadeInAmerica
They need to send this butch kid killing bitch to a male prision.....

Now THAT would be justice!

JUDGE: "If you're a 'Dad', we'd better send you to the men's facility..."

Make sure she has just the right cellmate, too.

48 posted on 03/24/2006 11:22:03 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: zip

Would sympathy and a murderous rage count?

I'm not the crying type. :|


49 posted on 03/24/2006 11:23:51 AM PST by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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To: PeterPrinciple
You know, I think a kid would be just as reluctant to call his stepdad "Daddy". I wonder why you don't hear about hetero couples demanding such things from kids and killing them if they don't do it.

I wonder why...

50 posted on 03/24/2006 11:27:24 AM PST by AmishDude (Amishdude, servant of the dark lord Xenu.)
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