Posted on 05/10/2006 3:49:59 AM PDT by IrishMike
May 10, 2006 - San Francisco, CA - PipeLinenews.org - Public documents available on Mexico's Secretary of Exterior Relations' [SER] website - only yesterday revealed in a series of articles dealing with the charge that American authorities are conspiring with the Mexican government to spy on American border activists - detail a level of intimidation on the part of the Mexican government and a level of acquiescence by the U.S. government heretofore unimaginable.
http://www.sre.gob.mx/eventos/minuteman/reporte1.htm#3.3 http://www.sre.gob.mx/eventos/minuteman/reporte2.htm#3.3 http://www.sre.gob.mx/eventos/minuteman/reporte3.htm#3.3 http://www.sre.gob.mx/eventos/minuteman/ http://www.sre.gob.mx/eventos/minuteman/masinformacion.htm http://www.sre.gob.mx/eventos/minuteman/casojoseantonio.htm Starting in January 2005 the Mexican government has conducted a full-court press against the Minuteman Project - a citizen group calling attention to enforcement of U.S. immigration laws.
Agents of the government of Vicente Fox have conducted an ongoing series of meetings with the President of the United States, Department of Homeland Security, the U.S. State Department and the U.S. Border Patrol among others, with the intent of forcing American officials to maintain a policy of non-enforcement of U.S. border regulations and at the same time putting pressure on the Minuteman organization - a major proponent of increased border enforcement - to thwart its activities.
On February 10, 2005 the Mexican government sent a diplomatic note of protest to the U.S. Department of State excoriating the Minuteman Project as a group of vigilantes and demanding that the U.S. government take steps to ensure that the "rights" of Mexican nationals under state and federal laws be protected.
"[Mexico] condemns energetically the manifestations and acts of racism, the racial discrimination, the xenophobia, the intolerance towards the migrants and the stereotypes that continuously are applied to them and makes a call to the United States to consider the revision of its migratory policies in order to eliminate these practices" This is nothing more than a call for open borders.
(Excerpt) Read more at pipelinenews.org ...
this report got me fired up enought to post for the first time in many moons.
please ping em'
thanks
"The President only called those people hunting migrants along the border "vigilantes". What would YOU call those people?"
Pro-active PATRIOTS. They are doing a job the federal government has neglected.
Well, if they take the law into their own hands, they are "vigilantes".
Possibly because like myself, you find it hard to believe.
The Border Patrol has denied forwarding that info to the Mexican government - that being said, I have no problem with any government agency sharing PUBLIC info with them.
Calm down - unless you are also seeking to get all those Web cams and everything else that records the movement of American citizens turned off too - there's nothing on these Mexican Web pages that is not available to them already through PUBLIC records.
Yes they sure did deny it.
After it was made public........... very nice.
Bill Clinton denied 'sex with that woman....'
Too bad about the load on the dress !!!!
You realize the irony of trusting a Mexican government website more than the American, right?
The KOS is an American (use that term with regret) web site.
"Thanks for the ping .. imo, some wanted to start trouble .. and it looks like it worked"
Which person in the quoted article are you referring to?
I wasn't talking about Pipe Line News if that is what you are worried about
"I wasn't talking about Pipe Line News if that is what you are worried about"
oh ok. just checking. I'm just trying to keep straight who here is for unsecured borders and amnesty for illegals and who's for secured borders and legal immigration.
Keeping a record are we ????
"Keeping a record are we ????"
Well sure. Don't you think the issue is imporant enough to want to know? I figure that the posts of those, who, like Bush, are for unsecured borders and earned amnesty for illegal aliens might answer the question why. The only ones I've found so far either make personal attacks or attempt to defend Bush. But I'm trying to find one that defends the 'position', so that I can understand just why anyone would be for unsecured borders and earned amnesty for illegals. It's not like I can ask the President ;-)
If "hunting migrants" was in the question (transcript) why did you not quote the question instead of setting forward the implication as your version of the truth?
I've posted this repeatedly on several threads. The President never called Minutemen "vigilantes" - here is the actual question and Bush's answer:
"Q (As translated.) Mr. Presidents and Mr. Prime Minister, I wanted to ask you what concrete actions do your governments want to lay out in order to make this partnership a reality as far as energy markets, which is a very critical issue for all of our countries -- energy markets? I also want to ask you in this security and prosperity partnership, when will you include the migratory, or immigration policy in this partnership?
And, President Bush, I wanted to ask you about your opinion about those people who are hunting migrant people along the border.
PRESIDENT BUSH: I'm against vigilantes in the United States of America. I'm for enforcing law in a rational way. That's why you got a Border Patrol, and they ought to be in charge of enforcing the border.
We talked about migration, of course -- we spent a lot of time talking about migration. We've got a big border with Canada, a big border with Mexico, and it's an important issue. But the issue on the borders is not just people, it's goods and services. And so the agreements we're talking about, the way to strengthen our relationships of course includes our border policy. And we'll continue to include border policy.
I forgot the other part of your three-part question. What's that -- you have something else you asked? I can't remember what it was. Oh, energy, yes.
Look, yes, we're using a lot of it and we need to conserve better in the United States. We're dependant on energy from overseas and we've got to become less dependent on energy from overseas. We appreciate the fact that Canada's tar sands are now becoming economical, and we're glad to be able to get the access toward a million barrels a day, headed toward two million barrels a day. And I want to thank -- and that's, by the way, an advantage for open trade; the American people must understand that when there is open trade, it helps solve our energy deficiency.
But one thing we can certainly do is cooperate better on sharing technologies. Look, we're going to have to change our habits. We're going to have to develop a hydrogen-powered automobile. And we look forward to working together. We've got integrated automobile industries between the three of us. And someday, hopefully, our automobile industries in our respective countries will be on the leading edge of technological change when it comes to helping change the habits of our consumers.
We're going to need liquefied natural gas coming into our three countries and into our markets. And I look forward with the Presidents on how to develop more access to liquefied natural gas, which -- and there's a lot of natural gas in the world. The question is, how do we economically get it to our respective markets.
I recently went and saw those developing zero emission coal-fired plants. I think we spent about a billion dollars on what's called the FutureGen Project. Look forward to working with our respective countries on sharing technologies and how to move forward to come up with zero emissions coal-fired plants.
And so there's a lot we can do and will do on energy. But there's no question the United States of America is hooked on foreign sources of energy. And I put forth a strategy to the United States Congress in 2001; they're still debating it, the issue. Now is the time to get a bill to my desk; this is the year. People see the prices of their gasoline rising at the pumps, and I am concerned and the American people are concerned, and it's now time to implement the strategies that we laid out in law.
But, no, this is a very important subject matter. Thank you for bringing it up. We spent a lot of time discussing it."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/03/20050323-5.html
If he had any sense of his support and his duty as our President, he would have jumped all over the "hunting migrants" phrase and clarified that NO ONE WAS HUNTING MIGRANTS, but US CITIZENS were identifying to our Border Patrol, ILLEGAL ALIENS, illegally crossing the border, so the Border Patrol could DO THEIR JOB of BORDER ENFORCEMENT. Not anywhere close to the fumblebutt disparaging answer he gave.
And you've been proven a liar for saying so in just as many threads. Bush clearly was referring to the Minuteman Project when he answered the reporter's questions. It was widely reported in conservative press, on Free Republic, and was well known within the border security/immigration reform movement. You can keep telling your lies, but all it does is make you a liar.
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