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Terri Schiavo 2 in NJ with my husband
6/25/06 | Simplemines

Posted on 06/25/2006 3:33:39 PM PDT by Simplemines

Many of you replied when I originally posted my husband's horrible hospital odyssey of several months ago.

Things were going okay in the Catholic hospital, until my husband knocked out his trach in his sleep. The alarm didn't go off. My husband can breathe on his own, and the ventilator was giving him some small support.

His heart stopped. They resuscitated him, and he's been in a twilight since. The dr. he has has given up on him - this has only been a week. My husband IS starting to respond and focus, but the dr. doesn't care.

He's pressuring me to sign a DNR, and he suddenly wants to move my husband OUT of intensive care into a regular room! I was so shocked I didn't say a thing...why does my husband now need less care than before...unless of course the dr. wants him to die.

My husband is physically VERY stable. All his signs are perfect. From what I'm reading, it can take anywhere from one to three months for someone to come out of this kind of state.

This dr. doesn't even want to give him the chance.

Granted, my husband isn't as cute as Terri Schiavo, but you guys can see where this is headed. I want to give him a CHANCE to recover. I don't care if he's impaired. I'll take care of him if they just stop trying to push me to let him die.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.


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KEYWORDS: bioethics; braininjury; disability; euthanasia; lawsuit; prolife; respirator; schiavo; terrischiavo; vegetativestate; ventilator
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1 posted on 06/25/2006 3:33:43 PM PDT by Simplemines
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To: Simplemines

First, you have our prayers.

Second, contact the Right to Life chapter in your state and ask them if they can connect you with a doctor that can take over your husband's case. Also, ask them to direct you to legal help.

God be with you and we hope your husband recovers quickly.


2 posted on 06/25/2006 3:36:00 PM PDT by freemama
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To: Simplemines
Prayers to you!
Bump.
3 posted on 06/25/2006 3:36:58 PM PDT by Beaker
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To: Simplemines

Fire the doctor ASAP.


4 posted on 06/25/2006 3:37:05 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("So to hell with that twerp at the [WaPo]. I've got no time for him on a day like this." Mark Steyn)
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To: Simplemines
Catholic hospital

Contact the Bishop's office and explain the problem.

5 posted on 06/25/2006 3:37:50 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: freemama

Excellent advice.


6 posted on 06/25/2006 3:38:02 PM PDT by Dustbunny (Amazing Grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me)
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To: Simplemines
I'd be showing up at the hospital with a lawyer in tow, and start demanding documentation.

It's the only language they can understand.

7 posted on 06/25/2006 3:38:03 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: Simplemines

Get another doctor ASAP.


8 posted on 06/25/2006 3:38:39 PM PDT by TommyDale (Stop the Nifongery!)
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To: Simplemines

My prayers are with you. Where are the activists like Mike Farrell when good, decent folks like your husband need them? Why do they only try to save scumbags like Tookie and Mumia?


9 posted on 06/25/2006 3:40:21 PM PDT by YourAdHere (Bradypalooza. Available at Amazon.Com)
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To: Simplemines

Tell the doctor you are going to remove HIS life support if he doesn't take better care of your husband.


10 posted on 06/25/2006 3:41:13 PM PDT by usmcobra (A single rogue Marine, yeah that can happen, but a whole Unit, only a liberal would believe that BS)
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To: Simplemines

Pretend you WANT to let him die, and that the doctors won't let you. Then contact the ACLU,

When they plaster you all over the news say they misunderstood

I am trying the same thing with them right now. When I reported extreme discrimination against fathers in NY State couts they replied that they were too busy. So I sent the exact same letter except stating on top I thought I was discrimintated for my sexual orientation. (hey -straight is a sexual orientation, right?)

The replied immediately and I am stringing them along right now. When I have enough I am going to Hannity and Rush and everyone with it.


11 posted on 06/25/2006 3:41:49 PM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: Simplemines; 8mmMauser
Calling in the troops to assist, Simplemines ...

8mmMauser, will you activate Terri's list?
12 posted on 06/25/2006 3:43:37 PM PDT by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: Simplemines

I will pray for you and your husbadn Simplemines.
---

A link of interest:

http://www.terrisfight.org/quicklinks.php?id=35


14 posted on 06/25/2006 3:45:30 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Simplemines
Granted, my husband isn't as cute as Terri Schiavo

She wasn't that cute and was a total vegetable.

Prayers for your husband to recover.

15 posted on 06/25/2006 3:46:44 PM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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You are very cruel. This lady is in pain and if you had nothing supportive to say why not just skip this thread. Sarcasm is so out of place here.


16 posted on 06/25/2006 3:48:32 PM PDT by CremeSaver
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To: Simplemines; YourAdHere; trussell
My prayers are with you. Where are the activists like Mike Farrell when good, decent folks like your husband need them? Why do they only try to save scumbags like Tookie and Mumia?

mike farrell, tookie and mumia are beside the point. Marxists do what they do.

Prayers up for your husband and you Simplemines...

trussell, can we get some help here?.....(I knew we could....Rick/)

FMCDH(BITS)

17 posted on 06/25/2006 3:50:16 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Simplemines

Is he on any life support right now?


18 posted on 06/25/2006 3:51:51 PM PDT by Bommer (Attention illegals: Why don't you do the jobs we can't do? Like fix your own countries problems!)
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To: humblegunner

You aren't cute either and you are also a total vegetable, from the neck up.


19 posted on 06/25/2006 3:52:48 PM PDT by Shimmer128 (Good people sleep peaceably only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf)
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To: Simplemines
Freemama has given some very good advice. You and your husband shall be in my prayers.
20 posted on 06/25/2006 3:58:11 PM PDT by CremeSaver
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To: Shimmer128
You aren't cute either and you are also a total vegetable, from the neck up.

Whatever you say.

21 posted on 06/25/2006 3:59:10 PM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: Coleus; floriduh voter

ping


22 posted on 06/25/2006 4:01:12 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Simplemines

Are you in North or South Jersey?


23 posted on 06/25/2006 4:01:26 PM PDT by fatima (You can read History or make it,fatima)
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To: humblegunner

I can't believe the kid I just saw in a photo a couple of minutes ago said that. Reminds me of an old saying "you can't judge a book by it's cover".


24 posted on 06/25/2006 4:04:49 PM PDT by RedwM
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To: Simplemines
Prayers lifted for your husband.

/johnny

25 posted on 06/25/2006 4:05:36 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (D@mmit! I'm just a cook. Don't make me come over there and prove it!)
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To: Simplemines
My prayers are with you and your husband. Do some Google searches and get your hands on the phone numbers/emails for a few good anti-euthanasia and severely disabled advocacy groups. I couldn't tell you a 'good' one as I have no experience with this type of situation, but one that comes to mind is Not Dead Yet. I have seen them mentioned several times in various news articles regarding the fight for Terri's life.

I'm very interested to know why a doctor at a CATHOLIC hospital has such gross disregard for human life. You may be able to get quite a bit of help from the higher-ups at the hospital or one of your local Catholic churches.

If this continues, make a website. Call news organizations. Start screaming. Someone will listen.
26 posted on 06/25/2006 4:08:25 PM PDT by KimaraChan
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To: Simplemines; 4woodenboats; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; abletruth; Accountable One; Aeronaut; ...
Prayer ping.

Please post your replies to Simplemines


Simplemines, My prayers going up for your husband and you. God's protection for your husband...God's comfort and strength for you.  

Blessings,
trussell


If you want on/off my prayer ping list, please let me know. All requests happily honored.

27 posted on 06/25/2006 4:08:43 PM PDT by trussell (Work for God...the retirement benefits are tax free!)
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To: RedwM
I really balk at the concept of artificial medical sustainment.

If somebody or some device has to be employed full
time to keep me alive, then clearly it be time to go.

That's so terrible of a view?

28 posted on 06/25/2006 4:13:34 PM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: Simplemines

Which Catholic hospital is doing this?

Since you're in NJ, I'll make sure this thread has been pinged over at the NJ FR forum. A lot of Catholics there, too.


29 posted on 06/25/2006 4:15:11 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...
Need help in NJ with Dr. Kevorkian clones

30 posted on 06/25/2006 4:18:27 PM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills babies & mothers, Bush can stop this as Clinton allowed it through executive order)
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To: humblegunner
I balk at it also, because, sometimes I'm sure a person is better off. But I know a person who is very similar to Terri Schindler, she may need constant care, and she is loved dearly. She is fed through a tube and has been on seizure medication since birth.
If you could see her smile you might reconsider your feelings about people like her and Terri.
31 posted on 06/25/2006 4:24:38 PM PDT by RedwM
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To: Simplemines

I hope your husband recovers. God be with both of you.


32 posted on 06/25/2006 4:27:29 PM PDT by RedwM
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To: Simplemines

Send me a private freepmail with all the info.
Get the patient representative, Administrator on call, call for the head of the ethics dept. in the hospital (believe me, they have one), let me know where you are in NJ and other info and I will forward to Sekulow at ACLJ, Thomas More and Ave Maria law schools. Let me know.


33 posted on 06/25/2006 4:29:12 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("One for all , all for kicking *ss and taking names" ...Scratch taking names.)
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To: cpforlife.org; Salvation; Coleus; trussell; Fudd Fan; holdonnow; rodguy911; Mr. Silverback

ping


34 posted on 06/25/2006 4:30:28 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("One for all , all for kicking *ss and taking names" ...Scratch taking names.)
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To: Simplemines

Both you and your husband are in my prayers this evening.


35 posted on 06/25/2006 4:32:07 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: Simplemines

Tell the above folks with the doctor, you want (on their hospital letterhead with the doctors stamp and all their signatures), a whole breakdown of what happened, what course they want to take and why, that you wouldn't sign the DNR and that you refused their suggestion. Lawyer is much better... Do some serious internet reading on the condition and ask everyone you know if they know doctors in these fields who can come visit and sneak a gander at the chart. Go get a copy of the records (they'll say we don't give them until a patient's released, they only have the floor records), tell them you have to call your lawyer.


36 posted on 06/25/2006 4:34:39 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("One for all , all for kicking *ss and taking names" ...Scratch taking names.)
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To: humblegunner
She wasn't that cute and was a total vegetable.

You would know.


37 posted on 06/25/2006 4:48:52 PM PDT by jla
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To: AliVeritas

38 posted on 06/25/2006 4:50:30 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Simplemines

I sent coleus a phone number for you.


39 posted on 06/25/2006 4:51:04 PM PDT by fatima (You can read History or make it,fatima)
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To: Simplemines

40 posted on 06/25/2006 4:51:17 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Simplemines

Ask for a second opinion and explain your thoughts and concerns to another doctor.


41 posted on 06/25/2006 4:53:19 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Simplemines

Prayers and all good wishes from afar.


42 posted on 06/25/2006 4:54:51 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: jla

I fail to see how cuteness plays a part in anything.


43 posted on 06/25/2006 5:06:56 PM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: Simplemines

My prayers for your husband, and also for strength for you! This is a great forum, I see many jumping in to help, and God Bless each and every one of them. I will also pray their help will be just what you need!


44 posted on 06/25/2006 5:22:38 PM PDT by gidget7 (PC is the huge rock, behind which lies hide!)
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To: humblegunner
I fail to see why you're still posting on a thread in which you've made a distasteful fool of yourself.

The lady is scared she's going to lose her husband to apathy and neglect by the doctors, you make exremely insensitive remarks about a situation you know nothing about, bore us with what you would want done in a childish attempt to make this thread about you, and now you're camping out with cheeky one liners?

When did you start targeting terrified women there, "gunner"?

45 posted on 06/25/2006 5:33:26 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (The GOP was created by those opposed to Southern Democrat Plantation Slavery...)
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To: Simplemines

Prayers for your husband from me, too.

Looks like lots of options going here. Even if this ?doctor? (some doctor) decides to back down --- still look for another. He obviously doesn't have your husbands welfare in mind and his attitude toward you is enough for dismissal. Good luck.


46 posted on 06/25/2006 5:44:24 PM PDT by Exit148 (Founder of the Loose Change Club. Every nickle and dime counts!!)
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To: The Duke
I'd be showing up at the hospital with a lawyer in tow, and start demanding documentation.

Dittos to that, Duke.

47 posted on 06/25/2006 5:47:03 PM PDT by xJones
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To: Simplemines

Speak up to the Doctor. You might want to WRITE your wishes in a statement and give it to the doctor and the head nurse on his floor.


48 posted on 06/25/2006 5:50:52 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: Simplemines

I'd say that the most important thing is to have a doctor you can trust on top of the case. Otherwise there are too many things this guy might do when you are not present.

It might be awkward to change doctors in mid stream, because doctors tend to be clubby and don't like to poach on each other's territory. But perhaps you can get some advice on what would be the best way to have another doctor take over your husband's case. If necessary, you might contact the pro-life organizations, find out where the presiding bishop stands on this sort of issue, and consider going to the bishop and asking him to intervene in the case.

As we regretably saw in Terry Schiavo's case, some bishops simply refuse to do their jobs. They are, frankly, heretics. But there are a few solid bishops out there, and possibly the hospital may be in the diocese of a faithful bishop. If that is the case, the hospital authorities and affiliated their doctors might prefer to agree to a change of doctors rather than have you make a formal appeal to the bishop.


49 posted on 06/25/2006 6:28:39 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Simplemines

I join in urgent prayer for your husband and you!


50 posted on 06/25/2006 9:35:29 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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