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To: T.L.Sink

In ABSTRACT terms, this is the conspiratorial view of what’s going on vis-à-vis the INVASION of the illegals here:

The current alien invasion from the south serves BOTH the elites who run Mexico – and many of the OTHER states of Central and South America -- and the political ruling class who increasingly run the United States:

· It takes pressure off the 60 or so families who control approximately 80% of the wealth in Mexico. Without the northern “safety valve” (the United States) for their poor, those poor MIGHT be inclined to do what America’s early colonists found it necessary to do: Revolt! Parenthetically, that would be MY suggestion for them: Instead of fleeing here – and converting “here” to a larger, more poverty infested version of “there,” they ought to stay there and make “there” into their version of “here,” whatever that would be. Revolutions ARE messy and there are no guarantees that they will produce the desired result. But – according to one T. Jefferson – they are often necessary. Never forget that THIS country was born in revolution!

· For the NAFTA/CAFTA coveting US national ruling class – especially those who, in varying degrees, quest after some sort of One-World utopia run by guess who? – it provides yet another level of insecurity and tension among the indigenous populace which can be used to justify new and more draconian limits to freedom here. Instead of securing the borders, allow millions of illegals to come in and when the natives become alarmed, require a national ID card. “Your papers, please!” will soon become a phrase familiar to all. It’s Mr. Franklin’s trade of freedom for (false) security. It’s also the time-tested Hegelian Dialectic the One-Worlders have successfully worked like a rented mule.

While they occasionally squabble among themselves, the elites of history have ALL had one thing in common: They will do ANYTHING to remain in charge. And throughout that history, except for the 230 year-old experiment in freedom called “America,” most of the men who have walked the earth have lived as slaves to these elites whether they call themselves kings, emperors, potentates, sultans, czars – or presidents.

Get ready, folks. Unless some SERIOUS changes are made and the handful of Americans who CARE about liberty get involved, that history will almost certainly repeat here.

Now for the SPECIFICS of the matter:

My take on Bush's role in all of this is:
1. His long and apparently positive experience with the large hispanic population in Texas is largely responsible for his inaction on this alien invasion. And why wouldn't HIS experience with them be positive as he traveled in the highest, best-educated circles among them, not the Hispanic gangbangers and pine-straw spreaders...
2. His brother Jeb is married to a native of Mexico and his nieces and nephews are mixed blood. And before you scream "ethnocentric bigot" at me, there's nothing inherently wrong with that). But that fact -- and the first item -- DOES predispose him to a warm and fuzzy feeling for folks from south of the Rio Grande.
And if -- in some strange and metastasizing American desire for a new royal family dynasty -- Jeb should win the White House, I'd bet that HIS activities toward this alien invasion will make W's behavior look like a warm-up exercise.
Any vestige of white European culture will be a distant memory.


3 posted on 01/01/2007 10:48:20 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: Dick Bachert
Agree with all you said, except about Jeb.

I believe it is Jeb's eldest son that spoke at the last Republican convention who is being groomed as next Bush President.

Being half Mexican, handsome, and articulate in English or Spanish, he meshes perfectly with larger plans of the OBL.

If globalist's plans to erase our borders and create a North American Union bear fruit, he is seen as the bridge between ethnically bigoted Hispanic voters and the neo-Rockefeller GOP. The base be damned, we are to become the African-Americans of the GOP. Reliable voters to be given lip service and largely ignored.

If actions speak louder than words, the Reagan Revolution died with the election of GHWB.
9 posted on 01/01/2007 11:12:10 AM PST by outdriving (Diversity is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.)
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To: Dick Bachert
BUMP to what you wrote.

The Scottish Jurist and Historian Sir Alex Fraser Tyler, 1801:

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependency; from dependency back again to bondage.
IMHO:
11 posted on 01/01/2007 11:15:58 AM PST by upchuck (How to win the WOT? Simple: set our rules of engagement to at least match those of our enemy.)
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To: Dick Bachert
I completely agree that it would serve the Mexicans better to change their plight in Mexico rather than becoming an illegal alien here in America. However, short-term gains generally speaking win out over long-term gains.

It could be that you are correct about George Bush's lack of interest on this issue until it became apparent that it had to be addressed for any hope for the Republicans maintaining control of Congress. Personally, I think his approach is probably the only practical approach but it will require comprehensive monitoring which is unlikely with today's politicians and government officials.

We could turn the tables by taking over Mexico rather than allow them to take over America......not to mention, of course, enforcing the laws that are already on the books.
12 posted on 01/01/2007 11:22:12 AM PST by mtnwmn (mtnwmn)
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To: Dick Bachert
"Any vestige of white European culture will be a distant memory."

It already is, and they've even managed to make white European history in America appear to be an evil one, replete with biggoted whites who 'slaughtered' the indigenous people and enslaved Negros. (even though slavery was the norm all over the earth, and blacks captured other blacks to sell on the market, and it was eventually white Europeans and early Americans who put an end to slavery with their own blood).

Anyway, all that remains in America of 'white European culture', and traditional Christian culture for that matter, are little pockets and remnants here and there. The reason? Nobody cared enough to save it from the ruling elites, whose quest for power and control inevitably means that the religion of the people will be suppressed and replaced with secularism, and whatever appears to make them look good, (including a temporary boost of the economy by cheap labor barbarian invaders, ie "guest workers"), will take precedence over the desires of the people. In other words, freedom isn't free, and once it's obtained the people need to be vigilent in keeping it. We haven't been vigilent, we've given away our heritage, our faith, and much of our freedom to people who were more than happy to take it.

14 posted on 01/01/2007 12:22:31 PM PST by TheCrusader
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To: Dick Bachert

I agree with your very good observations. Mexico is indeed exporting its potential revolutionaries - who send trillions back to help prop up the corrupt oligarchy there. At the same time we are burdened with ever increasing taxes for social welfare services, prison incarceration, insolvent hospitals and bankrupt public school districts, and the enormous 'hidden' costs of bilingualism.

Unfortunately, a combination of business interests (who love cheap labor with no benefits), myopic politicians who want to pander to the Hispanic vote, and unions who see potential dues payers, have combined in a coalition of self-interests that doesn't give a damn about the national welfare.

By the way, I love the Hegelian dialectic. It's the materialistic version of it that Dr. Marx invented that's the problem. I also think that "conspiratorial" views of history are too much disparaged by those who are ignorant of history. It's become a catch-phrase. The fact is that histoy is filled with conspiracies - little and great - and to imply that one is being paranoid if one dare suggest the possibility is absurd.

As a FL resident I agree with you about Jeb. I voted for him and he's accomplished some good things but I think he'd be worse than George on illegal immigration. But I don't think he'll ever get the nomination. The whole nation is now suffering from a non-partisan malaise: BUSH FATIGUE!
Regards,


17 posted on 01/01/2007 2:46:07 PM PST by T.L.Sink
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