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What Should We Call Free Republic Liberals
Free Republic | 2/25/07 | Wagglebee

Posted on 02/25/2007 2:46:59 PM PST by wagglebee

We all know about "limosine liberals" and "San Francisco liberals" and "east coast liberals" and "Hollywood liberals" and we all say we are against them. So, why is it that we seem to have a new breed of liberalism that is festering on a conservative forum?

By my calculations it is a small number (only about 15%) of FReepers that seem to be supporting a pro-abortion, pro-homosexual marriage, thrice-married (once to his cousing) gun-grabber for the office of President of the United States of America. And I'll be the first to admit that many of them are supporting Giuliani because they think he is the only Republican who can win. However, what about those FReepers who seem totally comfortable with Rudy's liberalism? In her book Treason, Ann Coulter describes in detail how communists infiltrated the Democrat Party and my fear is that decades from now, someone will describe how liberals infiltrated and destroyed conservativism in the name of pragmatism.

We all know that there are liberals here and I'm pretty certain that they aren't going anywhere. As a conservative, I know that conservativism consists of a belief in a strong national defense, fiscal conservativism and social conservativism, so to call these FReepers conservatives in name only (CINOs) would be incorrect because many of these FReepers don't even claim to be social conservatives. So, my question is this:
WHAT SHOULD WE CALL FREE REPUBLIC LIBERALS?


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: antitheocraticcons; freepers; frino; liberals; rudyites; schiavo
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1 posted on 02/25/2007 2:47:02 PM PST by wagglebee
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To: Reagan Man; pissant; Jim Robinson; cgk; Coleus; narses; 8mmMauser; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Any thoughts?


2 posted on 02/25/2007 2:48:52 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Oooh, you're going to get them mad.


3 posted on 02/25/2007 2:49:00 PM PST by flashbunny (<--- CLICK HERE IF YOU HATE RINOS! Free Anti RINO graphics!)
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To: wagglebee; Mrs. Frogjerk; Fiddlstix; cowtowney; xsmommy; TitansAFC; coton_lover; SoCalPol; ...
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4 posted on 02/25/2007 2:49:38 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: flashbunny

Why? I'm just asking a very simple question.


5 posted on 02/25/2007 2:49:55 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

FRINO


6 posted on 02/25/2007 2:50:20 PM PST by digger48
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To: wagglebee

Rudybots, of course.


7 posted on 02/25/2007 2:50:20 PM PST by Enosh ()
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To: wagglebee

I will get banded if I post their real names.


8 posted on 02/25/2007 2:50:29 PM PST by bmwcyle (It is time to stop the left at the wall.)
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To: wagglebee
WHAT SHOULD WE CALL FREE REPUBLIC LIBERALS? "

Obamanations?

9 posted on 02/25/2007 2:50:35 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Oh! The Obamanation! Durka durka durka...)
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To: digger48

Good one!


10 posted on 02/25/2007 2:50:47 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Great. Just what this forum needs. More name calling.


11 posted on 02/25/2007 2:51:55 PM PST by RedRover
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To: wagglebee

Outing them as liberals ticks them off.

"who are you to say who is conservative and who isn't"?

"It's ultra conservatives like you that are destroying the GOP"!

yadda yadda yadda.

Telling the truth about a liberal is offensive conduct to them.


12 posted on 02/25/2007 2:52:22 PM PST by flashbunny (<--- CLICK HERE IF YOU HATE RINOS! Free Anti RINO graphics!)
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To: wagglebee

At this point, our top three choices are Mitt Romney (pro abortion, pro gay marriage until about a week ago), John McCain (Captain Queeg on steroids), and Rudolph Giuliani (tough on crime, soft on social issues). Of those three, the man most qualified to be President and wage the War On Terror, is Giuliani. And he can win the general election.

You may call that being a CINO. I call it realistic.


13 posted on 02/25/2007 2:53:17 PM PST by Argus
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To: wagglebee
What Should We Call Free Republic Liberals

Exiled!
14 posted on 02/25/2007 2:53:21 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: wagglebee

call em Sir


15 posted on 02/25/2007 2:53:48 PM PST by woofie
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To: wagglebee
..I would always plead for civility on both sides

But one thing is striking--the condescension towards social conservatives and the not too subtle hints that they are bigoted and willing to hand the White House to Hillary because of their principles...

16 posted on 02/25/2007 2:54:41 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: flashbunny
"It's ultra conservatives like you that are destroying the GOP"!

Except this is a CONSERVATIVE rather than a Republican forum.

17 posted on 02/25/2007 2:55:16 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Anyone got popcorn? this could be interesting. LOL

Alls fair in love and war-they got a thread calling us koolaid drinkers. talk about projection!

how about freekers? they are kinda freaky;)


18 posted on 02/25/2007 2:55:22 PM PST by OMalley (Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08:))
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To: Argus

Bravo, Argus.


19 posted on 02/25/2007 2:56:41 PM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: wagglebee

Yeah, they don't get that. Every time it gets brought up that the mission statement of the site is to advance a conservative agenda, they like to change the subject.


20 posted on 02/25/2007 2:56:56 PM PST by flashbunny (<--- CLICK HERE IF YOU HATE RINOS! Free Anti RINO graphics!)
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To: RedRover
Great. Just what this forum needs. More name calling.

And fratricide. We need more fratricide to build the GOP. Also, we need more people to ignore Ronald Reagan's 11th commandment. (True conservatives know what it is, I don't need to post it)

21 posted on 02/25/2007 2:57:56 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: wagglebee

You can call me "sir."


22 posted on 02/25/2007 2:58:03 PM PST by LimberJim (It says "Breakfast Any Time", right? I'll have the pancakes in the Age of Enlightenment.)
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To: wagglebee

Single-issue pro-abortion zealots.

It ain't catchy, but it's the truth. And it's everything they've been accusing their opponents of being for years.


23 posted on 02/25/2007 2:58:33 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard ("and alllll the children are insane")
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To: OMalley

24 posted on 02/25/2007 2:58:56 PM PST by Enosh ()
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To: Enosh

:-)


25 posted on 02/25/2007 3:00:27 PM PST by OMalley (Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08:))
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

What the hell, they're calling us "kool-aid drinkers" now.


26 posted on 02/25/2007 3:00:36 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Bleepers?

Seriously, I think they contribute to the debate.


27 posted on 02/25/2007 3:00:42 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

That's what liberals do, project themselves onto others.


28 posted on 02/25/2007 3:02:46 PM PST by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: wagglebee

free republic liberals...


29 posted on 02/25/2007 3:04:26 PM PST by sit-rep ( http://trulineint.com/latestposts.asp)
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To: wagglebee

I don't know but it seems to me that Rudy has become the new Terry Schiavo of Free Republic. At this point I would even welcome a few threads about Anna Nicole or Britany Spears.


30 posted on 02/25/2007 3:04:41 PM PST by faq
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To: wagglebee

Why "call" them anything Waggy? They are our opponents.The enemy in many cases.

Hope you are'nt threatened by their presence, cause things might wind down to zero without their silly games and ploys.

What's the big deal about name-calling anyhow.

Adults who are fairly secure in their own maturity and sanity are usually not bothered by creeps and juviniles...we actually have a few of our own who invariably reveal sanity gaps on a regular basis.

We often surf their turf to get some idea of the idiocy they openly are brewing...so what the hay?

It'll be amusing to review the list of perjoratives you are accumulating. Let's see if "fellow Americans" make your cut.


31 posted on 02/25/2007 3:05:04 PM PST by CBart95
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To: wagglebee
However, what about those FReepers who seem totally comfortable with Rudy's liberalism?

Look, the thinking on Rudy is simple: He can beat Hillary. Whatever his flaws, some FReepers think beating Hillary is so important that they will turn to any Man on Horseback who presents himelf, be he a tyrant or a liberal.

Personally, I no longer think it makes any difference who holds the Presidency - as we are currently seeing, The Agenda will not be impacted. So you might as well vote your conscience.

32 posted on 02/25/2007 3:09:06 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Argus
I agree with this post.

I almost certainly will support another candidate in the primaries. If, however, Rudy Giuliani is the nominee of the Republican Party, especially if the other side nominates Hillary Clinton, I will work my gluteal area off for his election and vote for him without any question. Period.

Somebody wants to call me a liberal, take your best shot. The only person I have to convince of my conservatism is the one who looks back at me in the morning when I apply Nivea shaving cream to my face and employ my Bic disposable razor.

Somebody wants to say I'm sacrificing principle, again take your best shot. My only comment would be that the spectre of a Hillary Clinton presidency with a Democratic Congress is enough to make me unwilling to fall on my sword like Saul and opt out of the process or toss away my vote on a third- or fourth-party candidate for any one or two or three single issues, social or otherwise.

I'll put it this way. If 50 percent of what I want in my heart of hearts is the best I can get ... the absolute, bottom line best I can get ... then do I take that and make the best of it, or do I risk getting stuck with zero percent by holding out for the unachievable 100 percent?

33 posted on 02/25/2007 3:11:06 PM PST by GB
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To: wagglebee
I guess I'll answer your question with another question. If Rudy's the Republican nominee & you sit on your hands (again) & allow Hillary Clinton to be elected with a Democrat House & possibly a Democrat + RINO filibuster-proof Senate, will you then be happy?


34 posted on 02/25/2007 3:11:21 PM PST by pookie18 ([Hillary Rotten] Clinton Happens...as does Dr. Demento Dean, Bela Pelosi & Benedick Durbin!!)
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To: wagglebee

FRinos


35 posted on 02/25/2007 3:14:30 PM PST by sockhead
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To: wagglebee

Democrats?

That's who's platform they are supporting...


36 posted on 02/25/2007 3:20:44 PM PST by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & GUNSNET.NET Moderator)
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To: Drango
Fratricide? They're liberals, for cryin' out loud! They're not on our team, and danged sure not our brothers. Liberals on FReep are disruptors, here to muddy the water and weaken the resolve of conservatives to express our views. I say screw 'em.

And President Reagan, God rest his soul, wouldn't issue the 11th Commandment if he were alive today. He'd go to the RNC and start kicking asses.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

37 posted on 02/25/2007 3:20:47 PM PST by wku man (Claire Wolfe's "awkward time" is quickly coming to an end!)
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To: wagglebee
Good Lord. Start from a false premise. Make wild and irrational political charges. And then expect to have a discussion?

I am not a liberal. Never have been since a brief period right after college. (See the Winston Churchill quote about being 30 and then being 40.)

Is Guiliani MY candidate if I had absolute free choice in the world? Of course not. But after involvement in more than a hundred political campaigns of various types since 1976, I have learned to have a passing understanding of political reality.

Since I have worked for/with more than ten third-party candidates, I can guarantee that no third party regardless of ideology or candidate, has the time and resources to mount a campaign that will amount to a hill of beans. This election will be determined between the Republican and Democrat candidates.

If present trends hold, and that's a medium-sized if, my choice, your choice, and everyone else's choice will be between Guiliani and Clinton (her). If that comes to be, and you want to pretend that it makes no difference which one wins, I pity you for your total failure of political perception.

Because my primary interest is the kind of judges a President will nominate to the Supreme Court and other federal courts, I would have no trouble with that choice. Neither should most members of the FR community.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article: "Like Watching a Train Wreck"

38 posted on 02/25/2007 3:22:26 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (Please get involved: www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: wagglebee

Frankly, I could not care less what Rudy thinks about abortion or homosexuality.

I do care that we get a President who will not surrender in the Middle East and who will provide tax cuts and smaller government.

I really hope this party does not get waylaid by the zealots this time.



39 posted on 02/25/2007 3:23:17 PM PST by lieutenant columbo
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To: wagglebee
As a starting point, I believe the term "Blue-blood" refers to a fiscally conservative socially liberal Republican.

But FR is hardly limited to Republicans.
40 posted on 02/25/2007 3:23:28 PM PST by labette ("Come,and let us reason together...")
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To: wagglebee

Call them something that captions their hysteria.


41 posted on 02/25/2007 3:25:09 PM PST by Vision ("Delight yourself in the Lord; and he will give you your heart's desires." Psalm 37:4)
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To: GB

with rudy, you're going to get closer to 20%, not 50%. The democrats are going to get 80% of what they want.


42 posted on 02/25/2007 3:27:43 PM PST by flashbunny (<--- CLICK HERE IF YOU HATE RINOS! Free Anti RINO graphics!)
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To: wku man

"They're not on our team, and danged sure not our brothers. Liberals on FReep are disruptors, here to muddy the water and weaken the resolve of conservatives to express our views. I say screw 'em."

Exactly right. This is a fight for the heart and soul of the GOP. Those on the liberal side want to make the GOP indistinguishable from the democrats except for WOT issues.


43 posted on 02/25/2007 3:29:26 PM PST by flashbunny (<--- CLICK HERE IF YOU HATE RINOS! Free Anti RINO graphics!)
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To: wagglebee

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1791032/posts


44 posted on 02/25/2007 3:31:07 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (I made it home! Hello, Seattle! It's Raining! Woo Hoo!)
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To: flashbunny

I don't think you're going to get just 20 percent with Rudy, unless the people computing the percentages are overly weighting the social issues that some folks believe he'll be a zero on. And I think that may very well be the rub here, especially to the folks who consider social conservatism to be the whole of conservatism.


45 posted on 02/25/2007 3:31:37 PM PST by GB
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To: flashbunny
"advance a conservative agenda"

That's real fine, but what does that have to do with nominating a candidate who can win. If I believed Mitt Romney could win, I would support him. But he can't win, and you know it. So'd you'd rather go down in flames for ideological purity and let Hillary Clinton be president. So now instead of a Republican president with some socially liberal positions, you'll have a true leftist believer in the White House who can't wait to ruin the military, appoint ultra-liberal judges, and raise taxes.

Rudy would have to go lightly on the social issues because he knows most Republicans don't support him on that. On the two most important issues, defense and the economy, Rudy is very strong. Don't give the election to a liberal Democrat because you don't like someone who's not as conservative as you are.

46 posted on 02/25/2007 3:35:34 PM PST by driftless2
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To: Congressman Billybob
Because my primary interest is the kind of judges a President will nominate to the Supreme Court and other federal courts, I would have no trouble with that choice. Neither should most members of the FR community.

Name me one conservative out a hundred that Giuliani appointed to the courts in NYC.

I've only found two who were even Republicans of any stripe, so good luck in that search...

47 posted on 02/25/2007 3:35:55 PM PST by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like these, who needs Democrats?)
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To: wagglebee

Log cabin Rino's?


48 posted on 02/25/2007 3:36:30 PM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; wagglebee
"Single-issue pro-abortion zealots.

You could be on to something here.

i.e. To put it another way, Is there a SINGLE social issue that stands as a dividing marker between us "social conservatives" and the "moderates"? {I'm also betting it's pro-life with pro-2nd Amendment close behind}

49 posted on 02/25/2007 3:40:30 PM PST by labette ("Come,and let us reason together...")
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To: GB

With rudy you (and the dems) will get:

- An anti-gun president
- A pro-illegal immigration president
- A president hostile to the first amendment (pro CFR, lost several cases as mayor on 1st amendment grounds)
- A pro roe-v wade president. That's not social, that's constitutional. RVW was an abomination to the BOR from a legal standpoint

What's new that you will get? A gore clone on global warming!

"I do believe there's global warming, yes,'' said Giuliani
....
"But "the overwhelming number of scientists now believe that there is significant human cause,'' he said, adding the debate on the existence of global warming "is almost unnecessary ... because we should be dealing with pollution anyway.''

Of course, you'll get a president that has talked tough on the WOT. I've heard people say he would make a great 'war president', but when pressed for qualifications, they offer none. Perhaps his "one in a million" draft deferment will make him a great 'war president'. Who knows what valuable military insights he learned by being a law clerk instead of serving!


50 posted on 02/25/2007 3:41:22 PM PST by flashbunny (<--- CLICK HERE IF YOU HATE RINOS! Free Anti RINO graphics!)
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