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To: sevenbak

>> Please don’t call me a liar and make a
>> mockery of my testimony of Christ.

I don’t think that colorcountry was calling you a liar. I don’t think that colorcountry was trying to deny or make a mockery of your testimony of the Savior. What I think that colorcountry was asking was a serious question about whether or not you believe you can only return to the Father if you participate in certain LDS ordinance. So why don’t you answer the question. And I’ll break it down more simply.

Do you believe its necessary to have baptism, confirmation, initiatory and endowment ordinances in order to gain exaltation? Yes or No?


277 posted on 06/12/2007 5:59:57 PM PDT by Degaston
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To: Degaston

Thank you degaston, that is exactly what I wanted to ask.

Of course you and I already know what his answer should be according to Mormon doctrine.


279 posted on 06/12/2007 6:04:24 PM PDT by colorcountry ( We need to move away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Duncan Hunter))
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To: Degaston; colorcountry
What I think that colorcountry was asking was a serious question about whether or not you believe you can only return to the Father if you participate in certain LDS ordinance. So why don’t you answer the question. And I’ll break it down more simply. Do you believe its necessary to have baptism, confirmation, initiatory and endowment ordinances in order to gain exaltation? Yes or No?

Yes, and no. What you are doing is lumping the basic principles of the gospel with higher ordinances. Christ and the apostles clearly taught that unless we are obedient to the commandments and are baptized, then we can't enter into the kingdom of God. The principles of the Gospel are no different in the LDS doctrines. Faith, Repentance, Baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost are the ONLY requirements to gain salvation and enter Heaven. What you are lumping is something different, it's like what Paul saw when he was caught up to the THIRD heaven, not the first.

Corinthians 12:

2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)

4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

The principles of the gospel are simple, and in order to gain entrance into heaven, one must simply follow the commands of Christ, His example and teachings are the milk. What you seem to be doing is striving after meat.

This will probably come across as very condescending, and for that I apologize, but I think it needs to be said. We get truth line upon line, precepts on precept, grace for grace, one thing at a time. Trying to understand the things of God without the Holy Ghost to help discern truth can be dangerous.

1 Cor. 3: 2

2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

394 posted on 06/14/2007 9:02:03 AM PDT by sevenbak (After the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers... Acts 24:14)
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