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What the GOP front-runners do? They told the GOP base - Values Voters to go take a hike. If that's the way they want to play it, whoever among them is the eventual nominee will lose to Hillary Clinton next November. The party takes people who care about traditional values for granted. Two terms of Bush are enough. This is beyond stupidity.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

1 posted on 09/11/2007 10:17:55 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

Sorry to hear that Thompson will not be attending. It could be his key effort to push ahead in the polls.


2 posted on 09/11/2007 10:24:11 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: goldstategop

Shrug. I’m going to support the three candidates I could vote for in a general in the primary. If the party sees it fit to nominate someone else, I’ll merely vote third party. If enough people join me, we’ll win. If not, we won’t. Either way, I won’t be sitting around 5 years down the road whining about a vote I cast.


3 posted on 09/11/2007 10:25:34 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Rudy = Hillary, Fred = Dole, Romney = Kerry, McCain = Crazy. No Thanks.)
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To: goldstategop
Christian and Jewish leaders who represent millions and millions of votes

The same millions and millions of voters that will be watching that no rating having debate?

4 posted on 09/11/2007 10:25:38 PM PDT by chaos_5 (The Democrats are Communists)
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To: goldstategop
And Farah really does a fine job closing the deal in the article:

"I'm through with supporting the lesser of two evils.

It just doesn't make any difference in the long run.

If we can't see that after two terms of George W. Bush, then we'll never be able to see it."
10 posted on 09/11/2007 10:32:34 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Rudy = Hillary, Fred = Dole, Romney = Kerry, McCain = Crazy. No Thanks.)
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To: goldstategop

Maybe we will be lucky and none of them will be the nominee. Farah, is of course, partly right, but I think there is a little more to it than just not wanting to face a few tough questions.

These candidates do not want to be connected with so-called, “religious fundamentalists” or the “religious right”. I have noticed a particular distaste some in the GOP have for these groups. I think some of these groups who have already endorsed one of the top 4 should withdraw their endorsements.

The so-called “values voters” need to get behind a sincere candidate and push him to the top and stop pining after the top 4 who will only take them for granted or indulge them, only, when it is politically expedient to do so.


12 posted on 09/11/2007 10:33:21 PM PDT by WildcatClan (Duncan Hunter '08 -)
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They are scared to death of the questions...

Well, what are the questions? Or, is that question also forbidden?

18 posted on 09/11/2007 10:38:39 PM PDT by Rudder
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Let's wait before we shooting him - or them. It may be that, with everyone wanting to put on a debate - or maybe the arrangements weren't made in time for the candidates who may have already had commitments.

It's been wall to wall debates for months now - how may debates must there be?

There had been and will be plenty of opportunity for us all to see and hear the candidates and know where they're coming from - for several more LOOOOOONNNNNGG months.

The debates have turned into little more than dog and pony shows...

40 posted on 09/11/2007 10:52:50 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ( "...but you can't fool all of the people all the time." LINCOLN)
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They are scared to death of the questions.

1. Do you hate abortion?
2. Do you really, really, REALLY hate abortion?
3. How much do you hate abortion?
4. Do you hate abortion more than anything?
5. Will you appoint judges who hate abortion?
6. Will you appoint judges who really, really, REALLY hate abortion?
6. Do you hate abortion?

60 posted on 09/11/2007 11:16:04 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: goldstategop

...and telling us to take a hike often. We’ve seen duplicates of the Rasmussen Thompson 28% Giuliani 21% post more than often enough to remind us. ...not to mention all of the other mainstream media pumping out rephrased repeats of the same.

...related.

GOP Candidates Snub Social Conservatives
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1891776/posts


65 posted on 09/11/2007 11:28:24 PM PDT by familyop (U.S cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, will write Duncan Hunter in)
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...another related article.

Evangelicals hesitant about Thompson
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1893630/posts


67 posted on 09/11/2007 11:36:13 PM PDT by familyop (U.S cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, will write Duncan Hunter in)
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To: goldstategop
I'm through with supporting the lesser of two evils.

It just doesn't make any difference in the long run.

If we can't see that after two terms of George W. Bush, then we'll never be able to see it.


While I sympathize with his frustrations, he is not accurate. The lesser of two evil will appoint Supreme Court Justices who will not legislate their liberal agenda from the bench.
Yeah, I've been disappointed in "W" these last two years but he did make two SCOTUS appointments that will be around for a couple of decades.
I, and 19 million others, voted for Ross Perot in '92 because we were angry and frustrated with George H.W. Bush. And it did make a difference. It gave us 8 years of the sorry, low-life, scum bag Clintons.
69 posted on 09/11/2007 11:40:28 PM PDT by no dems (In the General Election; we must not let America forget that Fidel Castro endorsed Clinton/Obama)
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Well, well, well..., something to keep in mind about the 'no show' four.

 

71 posted on 09/11/2007 11:42:38 PM PDT by OneHun
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I’m sorry, but these “Christian leaders” don’t represent me. I’m a Christian, but I haven’t elected a one of them.

It is the same with Jesse Jackson representing “African-Americans”. He doesn’t.

Represent yourself and be the best witness for God you can be in your own walk. Don’t rely on others to give you what you can find or do for yourself.

79 posted on 09/11/2007 11:52:57 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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Ping to the article.


90 posted on 09/12/2007 12:17:13 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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They told the GOP base - Values Voters to go take a hike.

No, they didn't. They simply decided to not appear in a debate put on by some group that has proclaimed it represents Christian and Jewish voters. Who decided that these folks are our leaders? I'd never heard of this group before last week. They might represent some Christian or Jewish groups, but they no more represent all Christian and Jewish voters anymore than Union leaders represent all union voters.

I will vote for the person who best represents my Christian values, and who can also be elected by the majority of the US electorate. If that person is not the person the Values Voters folks recommend, because that person didn't attend their debate, then, too bad.

94 posted on 09/12/2007 12:23:16 AM PDT by SuziQ
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The debate will be broadcast live on Sky Angel, the VCY and AFA radio networks, and streamed live on pro-family websites...

A Democratic version of the debate would have been held the following week, except that all candidates declined the invitation

"Even with two-thirds (19 million) of the evangelical Christian eligible voters sitting on the bench in the last presidential election...

This is why the front runners won't attend. It's not worth the risk. It's a lose/lose situation on the national level, particularly for Fred Thompson for whom this would be the first debate he's participated in. I am not offended by this. I think these debates are a colossal waste of time. Ron Paul is the only one who benefits from them. FDT has stated many times he doesn't like the "debate" format which results in everyone speaking in 3 minute sound bites.

The Dims can pander to moveon.org and gays because they know their voters won't punish them for it. We Christians had better wake up and realize it doesn't matter what a man's position is if he can't get elected. Principles don't make policy. I won't vote for anyone who is pro-choice, but character counts more than statements made 14 months before the general election.

Joseph Farah can make broad statements about the lesser of two evils now that we are three years past the threat of a John Kerry presidency, but the rest of us had better work to get that 2/3 who didn't vote last time into the voting booth in '08, or the Mexicans and Muslims will become the voting block that makes the difference in future. They are pro-life too, but I doubt there is anything else we agree on.

106 posted on 09/12/2007 12:55:50 AM PDT by athelass (Proud Mom of a Sailor and two Marines! Frodo Lives!)
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I know it's counterintuitive to some here, but now more than ever do we need to recover our moral compass - for the sake of our survival and God's continued beneficence toward America and Americans. This is precisely WHY Rudy cannot be allowed in the White House.

W, for all his warts, is a good, earnest, and God-fearing man. None of the other front-runners, Thompson included, have shown me that they either are made of the right stuff.

107 posted on 09/12/2007 12:58:06 AM PDT by Lexinom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b81K03dMc98)
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Without the folks they’ve dissed by bypassing this debate, these RINOs are nothing but utterly powerless vassals of the Democrats.


118 posted on 09/12/2007 5:17:44 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Can two walk together except they be agreed?)
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To: All; goldstategop

Here are some of the good folks that “front runners” are afraid of:

Paul Weyrich, founder and President of the Free Congress Foundation, Phyllis Schlafly, founder and President of Eagle Forum, Don Wildmon, founder and Chairman of the American Family Association, Judge Roy Moore, with the Foundation for Moral Law, Rick Scarborough, Vision America, and Mat Staver of Liberty Council.

Hopefully, the “front runners” won’t be “front runners” for long.


132 posted on 09/12/2007 6:28:09 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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