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Expelled-- No Science Contained (Vanity)
Soliiton via cited sources | 4/20/2008 | Soliton

Posted on 04/20/2008 8:49:48 AM PDT by Soliton

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To: tokenatheist
Question all you want. Just do it in a scientific way.

What does that mean?

61 posted on 04/20/2008 10:17:51 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: tokenatheist; srweaver
No - evolution is science.

Sorry, but evolution, and the origin of life, is not science because it hasn't been proven. Species variation, yes, crossing o different species, no. You can deny that all you want but it won't make it true. Evolution is based on faith, it is also held as absolute truth by the people who believe it and they will book no debate on it, even though the original theory has been modified several times to try to cover up big glitches between the theory and reality.

As for how life started on Earth, it cannot have started the way(some)scientists have outlined, they know this so now they are trying to gloss over it by saying life came to earth on an asteroid or meteor from out in space somewhere.

This is supposed to stop the questions about how life started, completely ignoring the fact that even if life came here on some hunk of rock it still had to START somewhere and they haven't answered how it started. It didn't start the way it has been outlined, this is a known fact, spin all you want but it is true that life didn't start the way evolutionists say it did.

In order to believe in the origin of life and evolution according to Neo-Darwinists, and other branches of Darwin, one has to have faith because there is no proof, this makes it a religion, not a science.

I am not a Christian by the way, nor a member of any religion at all, but I do NOT believe in the theory of evolution the way it is laid out now, there is to much evidence to suggest it just didn't happen that way.

62 posted on 04/20/2008 10:20:20 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Dog Gone

Wrong. If you can’t examine it without being fired and banned, then you can’t look for evidence.

Let’s see. If you tell the university you are going to look for evidence of I.D. and they fire you and you never work in the field again...is there any wonder the potential evidence won’t be found?

PURE INTELLECTUAL FASCISM.


63 posted on 04/20/2008 10:21:40 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: Hiddigeigei
So based on your statement do you believe there are no scientist that believe in ID?
64 posted on 04/20/2008 10:25:08 AM PDT by svcw (I reject your reality and substitute my own.)
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To: JennysCool
Why should it be forbidden to discuss any theory on any subject in educational institutions?

The writer, (of this article,) either missed the whole point of the movie or is trying to deflect the topic into one of a scientific argument, which the movie did not intend to address. The movie was about intellectual freedom and censorship. Anyone discussing any other topic than this in regards to this movie is either a troll, or an idiot.

65 posted on 04/20/2008 10:26:20 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: Politically Correct

Then explain ID to me.


66 posted on 04/20/2008 10:26:27 AM PDT by tokenatheist (Can I play with madness?)
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To: calex59
Sorry, but evolution, and the origin of life, is not science because it hasn't been proven.

If ToE is "not science" because it hasn't been proven, then no theory is "science". You've basically gotten so desperate to discredit the ToE, you're prepared to declare that semantically there is no legitimate science.

67 posted on 04/20/2008 10:26:50 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: calex59

What makes gravity work hasn’t been proven yet.

Does that make gravity wrong?


68 posted on 04/20/2008 10:27:15 AM PDT by tokenatheist (Can I play with madness?)
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To: Soliton
"A designer would have to be supernatural (i.e. not subject to the laws of physics) or natural and subject to those laws. If the designer is natural in origin, then it would have to have been designed by another designer –again supernatural or natural. Ultimately come to an original designer that either evolved from a lower state of matter, or was created by a supernatural being."

Bad Premise #1 is that there are only two possibilities, evolution or Supernatural.
Bad Premise #2 is that any Designer either evolved or was designed by a sunernatural being.
Argument by definition. All evidence of design, examination and discussion thereof, is hereby swept away by defining any such designer as Supernatural.

I submit, that God is the only natural being/thing in the Universe. And that the entire Universe is an unnatural creation by the natural God. Thus by the Evo's contorted argument, only God should be taught in Schools and no science, since all design is supernatural.

69 posted on 04/20/2008 10:27:38 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Soliton
Science does not deal with supernatural phenomena by definition. Scientifically, the only answer is evolution. ID, however, is really about the cosmology of the Book of Genesis anyway, but if that is admitted, it can’t be taught in school. And there’s the rub.

You are correct. But here's the rub.

If a supernatural agent, in fact, did create the universe and all life therein and science by definition cannot state that fact because it's beyond its scope (by definition), and is then forced (again by definition) to offer up only a naturalistic explanation, then we are left with an explanation that is "scientific" but false and an alternate explanation that is true but not scientific.

70 posted on 04/20/2008 10:29:23 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Sincerity is everything. If you can fake that, youÂ’ve got it made." Groucho Marx)
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To: D Rider

The ID people are welcome at the science table if they would simply bring evidence to support their ideas which is something they sadly refuse to do.

Perhaps they don’t have any evidence and are trying to change science to have their ideas let in. Of course their changes also allow in astrology but one can not make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.


71 posted on 04/20/2008 10:29:57 AM PDT by tokenatheist (Can I play with madness?)
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To: buck61

Fantastic! Will be passing “The Watchmaker” on to all and hopefully others will follow your recommendation as well.


72 posted on 04/20/2008 10:30:16 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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To: IrishCatholic

Baloney. If you’re telling me that the only people who can provide evidence of ID must work in educational institutions funded by the taxpayer, then it’s a weak idea, indeed.


73 posted on 04/20/2008 10:30:18 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: IrishCatholic
That is unsupported and only a claim by evos. Why not asddress the logic and substance of rhe post? I made no unsupported claim. My support is in the post.
74 posted on 04/20/2008 10:33:12 AM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: IrishCatholic

The various religions never seem to lack money for major building projects, why don’t they direct some of that money into ID research?

If ID research is true they could make billions to further spread their %deities% word to the masses.


75 posted on 04/20/2008 10:33:28 AM PDT by tokenatheist (Can I play with madness?)
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To: True Republican Patriot
May the Intelligent Designer pass You by in Eternity, at least no logic was wasted on your being.

You prove my point. Intelligent Designer is just another name for God.

76 posted on 04/20/2008 10:34:34 AM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: Mojave

The scientific method is a start.

The essential elements[9][10][11] of a scientific method[12] are iterations,[13][14] recursions,[15] interleavings, and orderings of the following:

* Characterizations (observations,[16] definitions, and measurements of the subject of inquiry)

* Hypotheses[17][18] (theoretical, hypothetical explanations of observations and measurements of the subject)[19]

* Predictions (reasoning including logical deduction[20] from the hypothesis or theory)

* Experiments[21] (tests of all of the above)


77 posted on 04/20/2008 10:34:49 AM PDT by tokenatheist (Can I play with madness?)
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To: joebuck

This is an ID thread. Big Bang theory does not suggest supernatural beings and is therefore not religion. It is then legal to teach it in school (but the hardly do).


78 posted on 04/20/2008 10:36:37 AM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
If a supernatural agent, in fact, did create the universe and all life therein and science by definition cannot state that fact because it's beyond its scope (by definition), and is then forced (again by definition) to offer up only a naturalistic explanation, then we are left with an explanation that is "scientific" but false and an alternate explanation that is true but not scientific.

That equally true of any natural phemonema. If we cannot risk scientific inquiry because we might come up with erroneous scientific explainations about how things work, when they are actually the result of divine intervention, then what scientific disciplines can we allow to be pursued?

79 posted on 04/20/2008 10:36:52 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: aft_lizard

Exactly my point, but more concisely said. IDers deliberately avoid identifying or characterising the nature of the designer. They can’t without exposing themselves as creationists.


80 posted on 04/20/2008 10:39:38 AM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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