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Yes, this is 'vanity' in more ways than one. [I am curious what other FR posters have to say about this speech.]

FRegards ....

1 posted on 08/07/2008 2:01:54 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: Jeff Head; Beckwith; Grampa Dave

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2 posted on 08/07/2008 2:02:40 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Hang in there, Obama! We don't want you to lose until after the convention.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
well according to God, if you do not live under the grace given by the death burial and ressurection of his Son, then you live under the Law of Moses and his Law should stand.

In other words, all non Christians and even so called Christians who follow the Law of Moses should live by them and be judged by them according to God.

The only people excepted from the curses and punishments that go with breaking the Law of Moses are Christians who walk by faith. End of story.

Men may think they can interpret this and that and be ok but God is the one who judges.

5 posted on 08/07/2008 2:08:27 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

The recurring theme you usually see out of leftists trying to denigrate the authority of the Bible are the contemporarily unacceptable laws of the Old Testament, such as the “shellfish” comment. Usually this is to de-value the proscription on homosexual behavior.

Either they are ignorant, or intentionally deceptive in this regard, because Christ gave us a new covenant on what we could eat, etc, over the old Torah laws. But He did not say “oh, and by the way, guys, gals, have all the homosex you want, it’s OK now”.


6 posted on 08/07/2008 2:10:44 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

The only reason he needs to say any of this is to explain how and why he can claim to be a Christian, and still support late term abortion, even already-out-of-the-womb abortion. That, and gay marriage.

Thats his problem, and this long meandering explanation is his response.

If his politics were actually rooted in what he claims are his religious beliefs, he wouldn’t have to go through this, or make us go through it with him. America is a diverse nation, he says, therefor I will support late term abortion and gay marriage.


7 posted on 08/07/2008 2:11:14 PM PDT by marron
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
FREEPERS DISSECT OBAMA'S ANTI-RELIGION SPEECH

Imagine there's no Obama (in the Senate or running for President)

But, maybe we're going end up thankful that Obama revealed his
true self sufficiently so that he'll have a very long face on
Nov. 6. (the day after the election)
10 posted on 08/07/2008 2:16:30 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Barack Hussein Obama makes the argument for moral relativism. Which leads inevitably to moral anarchy. Which in turn will lead to some form of tyranny. Because there WILL BE a moral order.

But really there is no solution short of God in the world. Everything else will fall short because everything else is subject to the agency of men. The form of government established by the founders of this nation is the best that humans have so far conceived. And it is based on limiting government by pitting it against itself in the hopes it would be hamstrung just enough to prevent it from becoming a tyranny. This is because the founders understood human beings and the motivations that spur them to act.

There is no perfect government. There is no fair government and never will be as long as humans reign in the halls of power. There is always controversy, contention and conflict. The only hope for liberty is that the parties involved will work to prevent one another from seizing supreme power. And this depends on a general agreement that the central law (the Constitution) is supreme and means what it says and all parties will be subject to it. Once the parties come to agree that they can make the Constitution mean whatever it is they SAY it means (regardless of what it actually says) our liberty dies. And this is exactly what is happening.

We are now at the point where the Constitution is almost meaningless. The checks are disappearing and the balance of power is shifting more and more towards the central government. At some point all three branches will be dominated by people determined to enforce their vision of what is right and wrong and who are in general agreement as to what that vision will be. At that point the American experiment will end.


18 posted on 08/07/2008 2:34:45 PM PDT by scory
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Is Obama the Messiah or the Anti-Christ?


19 posted on 08/07/2008 2:36:54 PM PDT by AUsome Joy
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

I have had a day since this was posted.

What upsets me about Obama talking this way about our religion is how similiar he sounds like the Episcopal Bishops and Priests, who have hurt the Episcopal church.

The Methodist Preachers, who drove my wonderful MIL away from her lifetime church. She made sure that her final service was in the funeral home, 10 miles away in another town and the eulogy was delived by a Baptist Preacher not one of the liberal ministers forced on her and the other members of her former church.

We are seeing couples and singles coming from other main line churches to our parish where the Priest, Asst. Priest and Deacon are firm believers not liberal nay sayers.

What makes Obama, the Oreo CINO so dangerous with his look at Christianity? He could be our president and do more harm to Christian churches Jewish Religions than imaginable as our president.


20 posted on 08/07/2008 2:38:24 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Obama, the Oreo CINO, wants special-ed treatment as our untouchable affirmative action candidate)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

I have to make some more comments. Sorry.

This speech is deeply insulting. It is aimed at Christians and Jews. It is a clear exposition of the left’s vision of religion.

This man is ignorant of history. He knows little of religion but I am sure he is convinced of his own wisdom and the “rightness” of his opinions about the subject. His view of American history is twisted and his vision for America is frightening. This man would have no problem passing then using laws aimed at suppressing religion. Neither would he have a problem passing and using laws aimed at suppressing political opposition. Once in power, if backed by a congress dominated by like-minded persons, he will pack the courts with jurists who share his overall views. Once that happens the American experiment will die.

I have never feared more for this nation.


25 posted on 08/07/2008 3:04:04 PM PDT by scory
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

I only wonder how long God is going to be mocked.


26 posted on 08/07/2008 3:17:32 PM PDT by bamagirl1944 (That's short for Alabama, not Obama)
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