Posted on 09/06/2008 11:47:33 AM PDT by Stayfree
Compare Obama's supposed birth certificate with that of our youngest daughter who was born at Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. Even though hers was prepared about 10 years after his, note that hers is similar in form to that of us old folks and our parents and grandparents with lots of info, whereas his contains very little info.
That is very interesting. Thank you. I love it when FReepers dig in and uncover the truth.
Printing techniques change; computer systems are updated; basic technologies are replaced by entirely new techniques that are not exactly comparable;, etc.
Hawaii like every other state has a "data base" and as requested they spin off Certificates of Live Birth (long form, short form, etc).
Hawaii, like every other state, has a procedure for revising the information contained in the data base.
The result is something a tad more "fluid" than the "birth certificates" from the distant past.
Looks like is was generated 5 years ago on the same P.C. as Bush's National Guard records.
Where did that folded image of Obama’s birth certificate come from? That’s the first time I’ve seen a photo of a hard piece of paper.
The image that was faked was only a front-on image.
I haven’t been watching this very closely so I may have missed something.
Thanks for posting an authentic Hawaii birth certificate.
The Obama birth certificate on the net is as phony as a three dollar bill.
If he had nothing to hide, why didn’t he authorize some reputable news agency, like FoxNews to get a copy of it directly from the Hawaii authorities?
Apparently, some people have tried to get copies from Hawaii to no avail. Usually they are only released to certain blood relatives, but I don’t know how they could adequately know who is a relative and who is pretending to be one.
Would you tell us where you got the image of Zero Boy’s birth cert.
> Printing techniques change; computer systems are updated; basic technologies are replaced by entirely new techniques that are not exactly comparable;, etc.
You’d be right about that. I have two short-form British Columbia birth certificates. Both are for me: one done in 1963 and the other in 1981. The colors are similar (not the same) and the design is similar (not the same) but there are some significant differances, too.
I’ve also got a long-form New Zealand birth certificate for each of my two kids. Both printed within days of their births, a few years apart. Both significantly different in many respects.
You Yanks will have something similar: there will be design differences in your birth certificates due to all the reasons you gave, and more.
What is illuminating, tho’, is that Obama has not profferred his true Certificate to halt the speculation. And it is dam’nable that the electoral processes in the US do not require these documents to be produced, seeing how you have a requirement for being born in the US in order to be eligible to run for POTUS.
Anyone know what the status of the lawsuit regarding this filed by a Democrat in federal court is?
http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2008/08/11649.php
School record that lists “Barry Soetoro,” a.k.a. Barack Obama, as Indonesian citizen (AP photo)
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/08/22/msm-ignores-democrat-lawsuit-against-obama
Well the CERT # is very clear...
151 1961-010641
WHERE DID THIS PHOTOGRAPH OF OBAMA’S CERT LAYING ON A TABLE COME FROM?
I went to the Hawaii website and indeed only relatives can get it, but the person whose birth certificate is being requested can authorize others to receive it.
“An applicant/requestor must provide the information needed to 1) establish his/her direct and tangible interest in the record ....
If you are applying for a certificate on behalf of someone else, you must provide an original letter signed by that person authorizing the release of their certificate to you. “
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/vital_records.html
I would say that we all DO have a “direct and tangible interest” in Obama’s birth certificate, since he may be our President.
Any lawyers out there want to try for this angle?
sorry... I see your response now.
...................Usually they are only released to certain blood relatives, but I don’t know how they could adequately know who is a relative and who is pretending to be one......................
Maybe we could bribe his hut dwelling half brother George, with a ten dollar bill. It would almost double his annual living allowance.
The forms were produced 28 years apart and the differences between them really mean nothing at all.
Ok, now you’re onto something. Thanks so much. Don’t worry about criticism because we’re after the truth.
As you stated, the years of issue might be the problem. That and the newspaper announcement.
What might help is getting another Freeper who’s relative was born the same year as obama.
Damn good work. I looked through a strong box here and found a copy of my first wife’s birth certificate. Although from another state, and a mere copy; it had details like your original of your daughter. I mailed that certificate to my youngest sister as she lives near her.
Thanks.
Calling in the Cavalry...
I’ll bet Mr. Harold Simpson down in Texas would be happy to foot the bill........
I have not been tracking the Obamanation birth certificate issue, but the democrats seem to have released a copy, not the original.
There are clearly things in the original that Obama DOES NOT WANT US TO KNOW!
“Offer Barry’s brother $1,000 to fly form Africa to Hawaii and get a copy for us. that would be about 500 times more than the average wage in his home town.”
This IS a good idea. I wish someone would do it.
Send the suggestion to Hannity!
Where did that folded image of Obama’s birth certificate come from? That’s the first time I’ve seen a photo of a hard piece of paper.See this article on factcheck.org. There are several other very high resolution detailed pictures there as well.
OK. Factcheck. That’s the Obama friendly group. The only “third party” that’s seen the printed certificate.
I hope the Clinton fan continues the suit.
Check this out.
I’m cross-linking this thread to the ‘long’ thread.
OK. Factcheck. That’s the Obama friendly group. The only “third party” that’s seen the printed certificate.Believe them or not, that's where it came from.
I feel a lot stronger that the legal arguments are bogus. See my about page for more information from the State Department on the subject.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2040486/replies?c=5328
Inside the Chicago Annenberg Challenge for a Closer Look
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2065038/replies?c=26
“...And it comes down to this… Obama and Ayers together controlled $160 mil in cash. Unfortunately the only ultimate beneficiaries from all this cash ended up being their political friends.
It appears that they got the sex wrong!
That's a possibility, but more likely that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii at all, so there is no bona fide Hawaii birth certificate for him in existence - even though his "official" bio claims that he was born in Honolulu. There have been whispers that he was born in a foreign country (Kenya or possibly Canada), which would make him constitutionally ineligible to serve as POTUS, since, in that event, he would not be a "natural born citizen."
Please see my post # 35.
It says on your daughter’s certificate that she was born at Kapiolani Hospital. Can you remember if this hospital had been remodelled shortly before that time? Or perhaps the Queens Hospital? She was born right at the time OB’s father was visiting him in Honolulu. In his book he says that one of the activities of the visit would be “driving by the remodelled hospital where I was born”. I have tried to find out the history of the two hospitals but the closest I came to a possible remodel was when Kauikeobuni Childrens’ Hospital was merged with Kapiolani to form the Kapiolani Medical Center for Women and Children. That however didn’t happen until 1978. It’s probable that IF he was born in Honolulu his original certificate would look a lot like your daughter’s. The green one in the photo is a Certification of Live Birth which only includes a bare minimum of data. He should release the original long form like you daughter’s to be officially verified as genuine but has refused to do this. Apparently, he has claimed both of the two hospitals named above as the place of his birth. Knowing which one was remodelled could eliminate the other one. However he could be just making the whole thing up like he has so much of his life.
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It's a non-starter. What we should be demanding is for Obama to release a September 2008 copy of his current birth record.
Thanks!
Very nice work. But there is more to it than that. Barack Obama has to two hurdles to leap.
One, I believe the citizens of this country will not elect a person with dual citizenship, perceiving him/her as having split allegience. That being said, neither the U.S.Senate or the State Department can make up rules as to what required qualifications are necessary to be eligible for the Presidency. To change the U.S.Constitution requires creating amendments to it. Really, it will be up to the Supreme Court to determine, per Article II of the U.S.Constitution, exactly what is meant by “natural born citizen”.
Secondly, there is the matter of his legal name. The suspicion is that little Barry was adopted by his stepfather when his mother, Stanley Ann, married Lolo Soetoro. Barry’s orginal BC was sealed and a new one issued in the name of Barry Soetoro. That is the name Barry used in Indonesian public schools (no foreign children were or are allowed into Indonesian public schools), Lolo Soetoro was listed as father, citizenship was listed as Indonesian, and religion listed as Islam (Muslim). It is plasusible that the reason no birth certificate is being openly vetted is because it is in his LEGAL name of Barry Soetoro, not his “also known as”, Barack Obama.
It is illegal to run for office using a name other than your legal name. There is no evidence that Barry ever changed his name to Barack Hussein Obama II, and the evidence would be very public, as a public declaration in a newspaper is required for finalization in Hawaii and other states.
Any ballots turned into election offices with other than a candidates legal name are destroyed. That is one of the aims of the Berg lawsuit: what is the Senator’s legal name, and is he running for the Presidency using an alias?
So the birth certificate having patriotic importance, is, in the long run, small potatoes compared to the “...who is he, really?” factor in this political contest.
Does this information make sense to you? Obama won’t bring out his BC because it isn’t in the same name he is using now.
One, I believe the citizens of this country will not elect a person with dual citizenship, perceiving him/her as having split allegience.Right. This is a powerful political issue for the campaign.
That being said, neither the U.S.Senate or the State Department can make up rules as to what required qualifications are necessary to be eligible for the Presidency. To change the U.S.Constitution requires creating amendments to it.The framers designed a system to keep these questions in the political arena. They didn't want unelected judges resolving them. The power over presidential elections is given to the most political branch of government.
Really, it will be up to the Supreme Court to determine, per Article II of the U.S.Constitution, exactly what is meant by “natural born citizen”.The argument Ted Olson made would prevent virtually any challenge to a presidential candidate's eligibility in court. It's up to the voters, the electoral college, and congress to enforce these requirements.
It is illegal to run for office using a name other than your legal name.I would like to see a reference to this law.
Constitutionally, he is not running for president, he is campaigning for electors. The court cannot take away his first amendment right to speak in favor of candidates for the office of Presidential Elector. That's one of the arguments McCain's lawyers make. A powerful one at that.
So the birth certificate having patriotic importance, is, in the long run, small potatoes compared to the “...who is he, really?” factor in this political contest.It could be that if his legal name is Soetoro he doesn't want it revealed because of the confusion in voters minds.Does this information make sense to you? Obama won’t bring out his BC because it isn’t in the same name he is using now.
Legally I don't think anyone can get this into court for the reasons I've mentioned before.
Politically there are some good arguments here but they have to be exploited that way. Not in the courts but as 527 ads and arguments from the candidates and surrogates. Attempting to get these arguments into court will just end in frustration and lost time.
My bottom line is that resources need to be allocated wisely. A lot of time has been spent trying to frame a legal solution to a political problem but a legal solution cannot be provided by the courts. Mr. Berg has used most of his 15 minutes of fame on his other legal endeavors without a lot of success. I wouldn't put much faith in him blowing Obama out of the election.
But it's late and I'm babbling now so it's off to bed. I'm sure I'll have sweet dreams of presidential electors dancing in my head. lol
Thanks.
I may have asked this question before but has anyone talked with hospital employees who were around when Barack was born?
Did Barack’s mom attending birthing classes and form friendships with other expecting mom. Surely one of them would remember Barack’ parents.
I may have asked this question before but has anyone talked with hospital employees who were around when Barack was born?
Did Barack’s mom attending birthing classes and form friendships with other expecting mom. Surely one of them would remember Barack’ parents.
I may have asked this question before but has anyone talked with hospital employees who were around when Barack was born?<<<
I thought that he was born at home?
I have not heard of anyone talking to the hospital employees, it would be an excellent idea.
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaFamily.htm
FReeper Beckwith compiled The Obama File.
See The Birth Certificate Question.
Obama won’t release his birth certificate and he won’t release his passport. Obama also won’t release his SAT scores or his college transcripts, or his thesis, or his client list, or his Illinois senate records. What do YOU really know about this guy?<<<
True.
I did not find any place that said he was born in a hospital.
With all the mystery about him, I thought it was a home birth.
With all the mystery about him, I thought it was a home birth.
I don't know where to start...although FReeper Polarik is at this very moment preparing another detailed post on the forged Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii - and I will ping you to it when it's posted - that forgery would appear to now be the least of our worries. For the past few days I have been following obama's connections to some very very unsavoury characters, here's a link to the loooong thread:
And a video link that I picked up today on the same subject:
Barack Obama & Khalid Al-Mansour.
But we aren't on our own on this, the Hillary supporters on texasdarlin blog are all over it and doing some very good detective work:
methinks the man shouldn't be running for anything - he should be on a terrorism watchlist...
The Saudi Connection
But al-Mansour’s sponsorship of Obama as a prospective Harvard law student is important for another reason beyond his Islamic and anti-American rhetoric and early Black Panther ties.
At the time Percy Sutton, a former lawyer for Malcolm X and a former business partner of al-Mansour, says he was raising money for Obama’s graduate school education, al-Mansour was representing top members of the Saudi Royal family seeking to do business and exert influence in the United States... <<<
At some point, I begin to say to myself, is he connected to Osama ben Laden?
He is definitely connected to people that I do not like.
Keep digging, the answer is out there.
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