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Tell this Poster why he's wrong: (Vanity) McCain will lose
Self | 11/3/08 | Stingray

Posted on 11/04/2008 1:55:06 AM PST by Stingray

Yes, I'm afraid after all the hope poured out onto these pages, John McCain will lose. There are at least two very important reasons for this (and they have nothing to do with media bias).

The first is - simply put - that McCain ran a lousy campaign. There was no focus on any one particular message that resounded with voters until Joe The Plumber came along (too little too late?) despite the fact that Obama's own voting record in the Senate said at least as much about his plans to "tax and spend" this country into bankruptcy faster than any president before him!

Why McCain was so hesitant to call Obama out on his liberal views is simple: McCain shares many of them! McCain believes - like Gore and Obama - that unless we do something about co2 pollution, we're doomed to suffer the ravages of global warming! In fact, McCain has often stated the need for tighter legislation aimed at curbing greenhouse gases, and has voted for those that have come before the Senate! Nevermind the fact that anthropogenic global warming is "junk science", McCain has bought into it and that is just one area where his "Maverick" stance in the Senate has actually put him on the side of the most liberal senator there is!

There are other issues that were taken out of the McCain playbook because of his record and past indiscretions in the Senate. Can't raise Obama's associations with Wright, Ayers, Khalidi et al without having to defend himself from his disastrous association with Charles Keating. Is it any wonder McCain didn't want to touch Obama's associations with a ten-foot pole?

McCain can't bash Obama for wanting to "bankrupt" coal companies, when his own plan to convert the country to natural gas (for the same green purposes as Obama) would've had roughly the same effect! Yet another issue taken off McCain's plate.

And how can you decry Obama's "socialism" when they both voted for the biggest socialist bailout of investment banks the world has ever seen? McCain's vote for socialism at that level is no less aggregious than Obama's desire to "spread the wealth", and is especially vexing in light of the fact that the bailout legislation doesn't solve the underlying causes of the latest finacial meltdown in the first place!

So you can't attack Obama for being "green", for his past associations, and for his socialism because of McCain's "glass house" record on these issues.

So what's left?

Let's see: you start to make promises to the American people that make Obama's sound downright fiscally conservative! In a race to see who could give away more of the store, McCain and Obama were running neck-and-neck. Remember McCain's promise to tap 300 billion dollars of the bailout money to help homeowners stave off foreclosure??? Obama had been promising something similar for weeks ahead of McCain finally chiming in on the great taxpayer gravy train!

Tax cuts? Both were promising them. I cringed whenver I heard McCain start to talk like a fiscal policy wonk. It literally made me change the channel!

And please, John, the fundamentals of the economy were NOT sound when you made such a ridiculous statement at a time when foreclosures and bank failures were starting to mount! How can anyone seriously criticize Obama and Biden for their gaffes, when McCain provided the greatest bulleting board material of all time?

To this day, McCain continues to resort to the only trump card he has: his military service. While not enough can be said about his sacrifice for this country, most people - who just want to see us get out of Iraq and Afghanistan - don't want to see the same things, or worse, happen to their kids or friends. His greatest positive was a reminder to people of the brutality of war and why - depsite the fact he's the best qualified to be Commander-in-Chief - they don't want to be in one.

The second reason is, simply put, most Americans want change and feel - somehow - that Obama is the best one to bring about that change. Nevermind that "change" is a word completely devoid of any meaning without context, people want it. Obama's use of the word in making it the cornerstone of his campaign simply illustrates - again - how he was able to tap into this desire and play it consistently for all it was worth. McCain never had anything remotely resembling a message like this he could stick to through this campaign.

On a closing, personal note, I find two of the McCain campaign's most glaring errors revolved around their public announcement to pull out of Michigan, and the way they fed Sarah Palin to the wolves (the Couric and Gibson interviews).

On Michigan: even if you can't justify the expense of making another trip to the state, you have to keep in mind that you have coattails upon which other candidates are riding. The worst thing to do is tell the press you're pulling out of a state like Michigan weeks before the election! Pull out if you must, but keep your freaking mouth shut about it! McCain's decision to pull out early, and announce it to the world, has screwed a number of GOP congressional candidates, leaving them to fend for themselves, where they are being outspent by a large margin!

On Palin: the biggest mistake the campaign made in letting her do those post-convention interviews was that she simply was not ready for the kind of sleezy "gotcha!" questions she would have to field from people who were clearly in Obama's back pocket! They were going to go for the throat on her (never intending to ask Obama what qualified him to be president!). The final insult of those interviews was to reduce her to a punchline on Saturday Night Live, a show which mercilessly lampooned her even when she was there! She was clearly not ready for the kind of campaigns on the national stage that gets run down here in the lower 48, and it showed. She could've been a tremendous asset if handled properly. Instead, she became a national joke, undeserving as it was. I blame the McCain campaign for that.

So gear up for 2012 all. We're simply going to have to field a much better candidate then.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2010; 2012; campaign; defeatist; election; mccain; mccaintruthfile; obama; obamacon; palin; rino; sarahpalin
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1 posted on 11/04/2008 1:55:07 AM PST by Stingray
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To: Stingray

Nice try...you’re wrong.


2 posted on 11/04/2008 1:56:31 AM PST by Dog ( There will be no cavalry.......its up to US......orders are ....Hold the line.)
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To: Stingray
why all these vanities by no-names?.....LOL

hey buddy....if McPalin loses, you lose....as do we.....

3 posted on 11/04/2008 1:58:12 AM PST by cherry
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To: Stingray

Bzzzt.

Try again.

And read this while you’re rethinking your hypotheses:

http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/toast/


4 posted on 11/04/2008 1:58:14 AM PST by PowerPro (McCain/Palin FTW)
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To: Stingray

doom gloom doom gloom —
Eeyore’s in the room.


5 posted on 11/04/2008 2:00:22 AM PST by Puddleglum
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To: Stingray

Why post this?

Why post this ... NOW?


6 posted on 11/04/2008 2:00:25 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 85 Weeks. Waiting...)
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To: Stingray
See, we shall.

prisoner6

7 posted on 11/04/2008 2:00:30 AM PST by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the Left fall out.)
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To: Stingray

Go back to DU.


8 posted on 11/04/2008 2:00:59 AM PST by robert david (Any criticism of John McCain is tacit support for Barack Obama.)
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To: cherry

“why all these vanities by no-names?”

First of all, I’ve probably been a member of this forum long before you came along.

Secondly, I take no joy in seeing McCain lose. I will be voting for him today. That doesn’t change what I feel about the imminent outcome of this election.

I hope I’m wrong. I don’t think I am.


9 posted on 11/04/2008 2:02:11 AM PST by Stingray ("Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.")
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To: Stingray

Answer the question:

Why post this?


10 posted on 11/04/2008 2:03:03 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 85 Weeks. Waiting...)
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To: Stingray

I am not giving up..but agree with most of what you said..I would ad McCains ads all sucked..he should have run ads with Obama not having his hand over his heart during pledge of allegiance


11 posted on 11/04/2008 2:03:34 AM PST by GoMonster (GO)
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To: Stingray

I agree with what you said on most of these things, especially the tactical error involving voting for the bailout. Ditto on the glass houses thing.

People thought Huckabee was bad because he raised taxes in Arkansas to fund new roads and such, so instead they elected someone even more to the left to represent the GOP brand.

At least, for all of Huckabee’s flaws, he could go toe to toe with Obama in oratory skills which we know do make a difference and he opposed the bailout. We would’ve won with Huckabee.

That is not to say that we won’t win with McCain, we might squeak by and win this, so lets get out and VOTE!!!

Hopefully McCain will be a voluntary 1-term president and we can field someone better in 2012 (like Sarah or Jindal).


12 posted on 11/04/2008 2:03:46 AM PST by Mr Greg
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To: Stingray
Can you not wait 24 hours to start shoveling dirt on McCain & Palin? Or is it just so important for you to get it out now so you can say "See, I told you, so!" Don't be that guy.

There are many of us that believe the polls are way off due to over-inflation of democrat vs. republican turnout, liberal bias, etc.

That fact is, IF WE GET TURNOUT ON TUESDAY, WE WIN. PERIOD. Posting this crap now serves no purpose other than to satisfy your ego.

I suppose next, you're going to tell us why we aren't going to win in Iraq. Or maybe you already posted it and somehow in my excited daily search for your latest posts I missed it.
13 posted on 11/04/2008 2:04:23 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: Mr Greg

Welcome to FR.


14 posted on 11/04/2008 2:04:24 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 85 Weeks. Waiting...)
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To: Stingray

What a jerk@! Can’t you keep your damn mouth shut until after the election? Assclown!


15 posted on 11/04/2008 2:04:46 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Stingray

Well, blame McCain on cue. All RINOs would.

Both McCain and Palin have called him a socialist repeatedly, what more do you want? They had to campaign against the entire MSM as well. Jeeze.

No, no,no, if Barack Hussein Obama *wins* tomorrow, I’m going to blame the people that voted for the little marxist the most. Oh, and you’re not going to “field” a better candidate four years from now, this country will be deep into the revolution by then.


16 posted on 11/04/2008 2:04:49 AM PST by Baladas ((ABBHO))
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To: Stingray

I believe your last paragraphs hurt your overall reasoning. No, your assessment of the veep situation is not right.


17 posted on 11/04/2008 2:05:02 AM PST by RGPII (No O-Bortions.)
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To: Stingray

Given the fact that you’ve all chosen to attack me rather than the points I raised in my post means you have no better argument than to attack the messenger?

Hate to say it, but that’s pretty typical of someone who’s losing the debate.


18 posted on 11/04/2008 2:05:10 AM PST by Stingray ("Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.")
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To: Stingray

Why post this?


19 posted on 11/04/2008 2:05:55 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 85 Weeks. Waiting...)
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To: Stingray
McCain tried to run an honorable campaign. He made a critical error in taking federal funds while Obama broke his pledge to do the same. Obama simply had a gargantuan funding advantage of something on the order of 6-1.

We do not yet know the outcome but I don't find many faults with the McCain campaign. Even the Clinton war machine could not stop the Obamanation.

Factoring in the economy, W's extreme unpopularity, fatigue over Iraq and the funding disparity it's quite shocking McCain has kept so competitive.

20 posted on 11/04/2008 2:07:21 AM PST by newzjunkey (*** MCCAIN-PALIN *** CA: YES on PROP 4.)
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To: Stingray

McCain to win with 300 + electoral votes


21 posted on 11/04/2008 2:07:44 AM PST by 1035rep
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To: Stingray; All
Even if McCain ran a bad campaign he still should be able to beat a POS like Obama. Look Obama had the whole MSM backing him. It's a disgrace! But I still think it's 50/50 on the eve of the election. If McCain loses it's because of the dumbing down of the American Population. This is really the great story of this election, the raw stupidity of a tremendous percentage of our population. This is what makes a candidate like Obama a possibility. I believe in H.L. Mencken. “Nobody ever lost any money betting against the intelligence of the American public”.
22 posted on 11/04/2008 2:08:42 AM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Why post this?

He's simply afraid that if he waits and McCain loses, that his "why McCain lost" post will get buried among all the others that will no doubt be here. 'Cuz what he thinks is REALLY, REALLY important. It's SO important that he must let us know before it even happens.
23 posted on 11/04/2008 2:09:37 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: Stingray

Another class of 1998 here to campaign for That One.


24 posted on 11/04/2008 2:10:12 AM PST by Chet 99 (Vote McCain/Palin, or this will be our future: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTb5EFZmgbs)
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To: Stingray

I’ll NOT let you talk me out of my vote! Not for one second!


25 posted on 11/04/2008 2:11:08 AM PST by A. Morgan (VOTE FOR Obama N' we'll be up to our necks in TAXES and OUTA' GAS for years!)
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To: Dog
If he loses I will be forced to say, with sincerity, that "its Bush's fault." At the very least he could have refrained from his constant economic updates over the past three weeks. He should have kept his mouth shut and let others talk.
26 posted on 11/04/2008 2:11:14 AM PST by outofstyle (There's a rake at the gates of Hell tonight)
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To: Stingray
So gear up for 2012 all.

Better push that back to 2024 or later. It’ll take that long to develop a candidate worthy of support. It’ll take that long to develop a party worthy of support.

Let the bloodbath begin.

27 posted on 11/04/2008 2:11:30 AM PST by Who dat?
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To: Chet 99

Bingo! I noticed that, too. A lot of DU operatives rearing their ugly heads as of late.


28 posted on 11/04/2008 2:11:47 AM PST by robert david (Any criticism of John McCain is tacit support for Barack Obama.)
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To: Stingray

Mccain may lose , but you know when I’m dead
I can look the Lord in the face and say Lord
I was against the killing of the unborn ,Lord
I was against the homosexual ,I supported your
people the jew , I supported family values , yes
lord I did things that made you puke but I tried
lord to live the way you wanted me to live I chose
the man which I thought was best for America
the man that knew you Mccain I voted the way
I knew you wanted me to vote.What will a
Obama supporter say to the lord ? will he listen
I dont think so.


29 posted on 11/04/2008 2:12:08 AM PST by MATSEVAH
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To: Stingray

Disclaimer, I’m sleep deprived at the moment, but, PBP will PBP.

Palin Bradley PUMAs will Pulverize barrack Profusely


30 posted on 11/04/2008 2:13:21 AM PST by waus
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To: All

Very interesting article at this thread: (actually the best analysis I’ve seen),with lots of information.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2124418/posts

In the end, I expect McCain to win with around 300 + electoral votes and Republicans gaining seats in the House. To make this short, the reasons why is:

-Republican base is energized.

-Reagan Democrats are voting Republican which they haven’t really done since Reagan.

-PUMAs are going for McCain.

-Many Democrats will refuse to vote for Obama. This ’soft’ blue support will appear throughout the country and will be the reason why Pennsylvania turns red.


31 posted on 11/04/2008 2:13:47 AM PST by 1035rep
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To: Stingray

Yawn.

Rock on Ron Paul!

The fact that McCain is even competitive shows how much Barack Husein Obama is disliked. The Dems should be winning this in a cake walk. But with an inexperienced Marxist as the Dems choice, the race is down to the wire.


32 posted on 11/04/2008 2:15:08 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Barack Hussein Obama attended a muslim school, has a muslim name and attended a 'Hate Whitey' church)
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To: A. Morgan
I’ll NOT let you talk me out of my vote! Not for one second!

Amen to that! This idiot "claims" he wants McCain to win. Well, he WILL win IF we get a good turnout. How does posting "why McCain lost" help turnout? It doesn't. Now someone too stupid to figure that out is certainly not one I'm waiting to get political insight from.
33 posted on 11/04/2008 2:15:39 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: Chet 99

“Another class of 1998 here to campaign for That One.”

Just calling it like I see it, dude. McCain has run a lousy campaign. As noted before, I hope I’m wrong, but don’t think so.

And BTW, I’m a Reagan Republican. McCain may be the Republican nominee, but only because he was the “media darling” of all the other Republican’s running during the primaries. McCain is definitely left of Reagan. Being right of Obama ain’t saying much.


34 posted on 11/04/2008 2:16:48 AM PST by Stingray ("Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.")
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To: Stingray

mccains not going to lose , he is lucky he is running against an unacceptable candidate.


35 posted on 11/04/2008 2:17:15 AM PST by 09Patriot (I am a MILITANT Conservative, compassionate conservativism got us NOWHERE)
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To: A. Morgan

“I’ll NOT let you talk me out of my vote! Not for one second!”

Wow. Put the coffee down and slowly back away from the caffeine.

This is “opinion.” Ever hear of it? I’m not asking you or anyone else to agree or disagree with it. Do what you will. I’m not your father.


37 posted on 11/04/2008 2:20:55 AM PST by Stingray ("Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.")
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To: Stingray; Admin Moderator

Take your limp, whiney ass self somewhere else today.


38 posted on 11/04/2008 2:21:22 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: outofstyle

Yes I believe Bush will get the blame But I really believe he could done a great job, But the results would been the same America has lost its values ,morals ,there heart there spirit , yes Bush could done a better job , and yes I could live with another eight years of Bush , But I cannot see America surviving with Obama.If Obama wins pray America has made a deadly choice.!!!


39 posted on 11/04/2008 2:22:22 AM PST by MATSEVAH
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To: Stingray

Murray Mom, is that you???


40 posted on 11/04/2008 2:22:39 AM PST by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: Keep_Virginia_Red

Well, this Virginian is going to be out the door shortly to vote McCain!


41 posted on 11/04/2008 2:23:23 AM PST by DooDahhhh (AMEN)
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To: Stingray

Save it for tomorrow.


42 posted on 11/04/2008 2:25:32 AM PST by alnick
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To: Stingray

McCain will win in spite of loser posters like you.


43 posted on 11/04/2008 2:25:35 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Thanks. I’ve been a longtime lurker (since around 2002 on and off and was totally glued in 2004) but now I hope to contribute back to the community that kept me sane through the roller coasters we were faced with the last several years. :-)


44 posted on 11/04/2008 2:25:46 AM PST by Mr Greg
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To: Stingray

Mods, this troll needs a good zotting. We don’t need any of this anti-Republican spew around here today.


45 posted on 11/04/2008 2:26:21 AM PST by robert david (Any criticism of John McCain is tacit support for Barack Obama.)
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To: Stingray

Yes, McCain ran a rotten campaign... but this isn’t the time for recriminations.

Some of us still dare to hope.


46 posted on 11/04/2008 2:26:41 AM PST by Chet 99 (Vote McCain/Palin, or this will be our future: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTb5EFZmgbs)
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To: Stingray


47 posted on 11/04/2008 2:26:47 AM PST by 09Patriot (I am a MILITANT Conservative, compassionate conservativism got us NOWHERE)
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To: Stingray

I will be voting Mccain, but I liked Rudy. He woulda fought harder. Mccain didn’t attack Obama enough and he coulda had great ads, because there was so much ammo to work with. The mccain campaign was out to lunch IMO.


48 posted on 11/04/2008 2:27:10 AM PST by snowstorm12
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49 posted on 11/04/2008 2:29:26 AM PST by A. Morgan (VOTE FOR Obama N' we'll be up to our necks in TAXES and OUTA' GAS for years!)
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To: Stingray

It’s irrelevant predicting who will win or lose since they are both socialists.


50 posted on 11/04/2008 2:30:46 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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