Posted on 11/24/2008 8:55:18 AM PST by Invisigoth
The real problem with the gay marriage issue is that the truth can only be found in either the spiritual or the scientific. The question that matters most is whether or not a person can be born gay. And the only possible way to answer this seems to be by discovering a gene that determines sexual preference or by believing in the Bible’s condemnation of homosexuality and assuming this means everyone is born straight.
Simply posing the question generally infuriates gays. First, the question seems to carry with it the tone that homosexuality is some sort of handicap, like asking someone if they were born cross-eyed. Second, there’s the it’s-none-of-your-business” factor. And third, there’s the argument that says, “Of course I was born gay, you idiot. Why would I choose this?” It is pretty understandable for someone who believes with all his heart he was born gay to want to shove his foot up your butt for even asking this question.
But to anyone who believes that we’re all born straight, he must somehow explain why someone would choose to be gay. To be asked this question is about as enjoyable as realizing there’s one tattered square of toilet paper left five minutes too late.
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If you are an inmate, it could be chosen for you.
There is some proof that addictive behavior is genetic, and alcoholism is one outlet for that.
If your family history includes a lot of addicts, it would be best to CHOOSE to avoid recreational chemistry of all sorts.
One need only look at the anti-8's to see who are the HATE filled and INTOLERANT ones when you dare to disagree with them.
I’m not sure why a genetic cause for homosexuality would be dispositive of the issue of “gar rights.” Many behaviors are thought to have an “inborn” component, including left-handedness, obesity, alcoholism, and pedophilia. But if the behavior is deemed harmful, it’s discouraged - whether it’s “genetic” or not.
Do they also int out that none of the various cultures has embraced homo marriage? Or that it is reviled in every society?
Excellent post! I know someone personally who felt drawn to the same sex as a pre-pub youth (was exposed to stuff at a very young age and got confused). By the Grace of God, this person overcame it with prayer and has been happily married for at least 20 years now.
Combination of mental and character defects and unfortunate childhood history. Every gay person I have ever known was a mess, had a messy past and was often histrionic and narcissistic.
I don’t know if they choose the feelings, but they most certainly choose to act on them. They choose to be flamboyant or not, etc.
Hell, I stifle my inclinations every day and choose not to kill people, so don’t tell me they don’t choose to act on their impulses. Of course they choose.
Internal angst and suffering is not an excuse for external behaviors. People always have a choice.
(Unless you attack me or mine, then I have no choice but to kill you.)
Most often homosexuality is a symptom of personal weakness of character.
Hope this helps.
I don’t care if you are born that way or become that way, it manifests itself in a behavior and all behaviors can be changed.
gar = gay
sorry
Yes.
Are people who "get off on animals" born that way or do they learn it?
Are people who get off on hanging from a trapeze or hurting others born that way or do they learn it?
AND FINALLY DOES IT MATTER?
NO.
It does not matter.
Marriage should still be between a man and a woman. Men who sexually abuse children should still be considered criminal. People turned on by animals should not be allowed to add them to the companies group health insurance. ECT. Some people are born with a desire to hurt others - that does NOT in any way give them the right to go around hurting others.
That said, I have no problem with domestic partnerships. But in all fairness that should be broadened to include other types of "partnerships".
A cancer stricken 20 year old child can't be added to a parent's group health insurance, but the hot boyfriend of a co-worker picked up in a bar last spring can be added.
I think it’s a combination of both- I doubt we will ever discover a “gay gene.” More likely, homosexuality arises from a combination of genetic and biological factors (such as exposure to different hormones in the womb) and involves some sort of trigger.
But, human sexuality is complex. Defining what it means to be homosexual is easy- any person who is exclusively sexually attracted to members of their own sex is homosexual. However, there is a continuum of people who fall somewhere between completely straight and completely gay. I’ve known women, for example, who have had sexual relationships with both men and women and find both sexes attractive, though with a preference in one direction or the other.
so all these people from all these various economic and social circumstances were abused in the same way, but not in any way that any of them are aware of, or that any social scientist has ever been able to identify. Not likely.
the lack of a genetic marker does not mean you aren’t born that way. Contact with various hormones prenatally are a much more likely contributor.
And there are many more. Two very well known homosexuals left the lifestyle: Michael Glatze and Charlene Cothran. Michael started YGA (Young Gay American) Magazine and Charlene ran Venus Magazine. While they lived the homosexual life, nobody doubted their homosexuality and both are now ex-gays.
Environment is key and every single credible scientific study states environment plays a factor. It's too bad some would rather ignore all the data and form their own opinion from ignorance. As I see it, the best thing to do is keep talking about science and ex-gays.
It is found in about ten percent of the population
This is beginning to get to the real question...which you point out is not “is it chosen or innate?”
The question the askers want their question to imply is, “is it okay to act upon an innate desire, since it is not a volitional feeling?” Generally, the sense of the public seems to be that any feelings (even immoral feelings) we don’t work at trying to get going, are okay to express because, after all, we are made this way.
Your comment about adultery gets close to the problem of this viewpoint. Who really works at pumping these thoughts/desires up, yet are we not responsible to hold these at bay? And, so what if a 14 year old boy thinks about boys, we expect the 14 year old boy thinking about girls to remain celibate, don’t we? Where is this heading?
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