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Is Homosexuality Chosen or Innate? You Tell Me
North Star Writers Group ^ | November 24, 2008 | Nathaniel Shockey

Posted on 11/24/2008 8:55:18 AM PST by Invisigoth

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To: 50sDad
That's a great example, and one I haven't seen used so effectively in years.

As I see it, some people can't see past all the misinformation on the subject. When they see posts demonstrating the lack of science behind the born that way theory, they ignore it or assume the information is from a source too biased to accurately present the facts. And at the same time, they're more than willing to blindly (or nearly blindly) accept misinformation and anecdotal information. It's almost as if they've been brainwashed.

101 posted on 11/24/2008 11:17:48 AM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Invisigoth

“It is pretty understandable for someone who believes with all his heart he was born gay to want to shove his foot up your butt for even asking this question.”

LOL!


102 posted on 11/24/2008 11:31:52 AM PST by Brouhaha
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To: weegee
Bi-sexual people are looked down upon by some homosexuals, and how is a bi-sexual person supposed to get married without having polygamy legalized?

I'm not sure I follow. Even if same-sex marriage was legal, that would not give anyone the right to marry more than one partner. A bisexual person might be attracted to people other than their spouse, but that does not mean they have the right to marry a person of each gender, any moreso than if a straight married person wanted to make a second opposite-sex person their spouse.

103 posted on 11/24/2008 11:37:14 AM PST by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: Invisigoth

I consider homosexuality to be a mental or spiritual ailment (or both). I am not aware of any evidence that homosexuality is genetically inherited.


104 posted on 11/24/2008 11:41:25 AM PST by Brouhaha
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To: GOPJ

This article is nonsense because it does not account for the long term prison population.

How do they account for the behavior of those in the isolated male only population of prisons. (not to mention all those 1970’s women in prison movies)

This is just a 1-3% of the population trying to declare their conduct as “normal” so they personally do not feel freakish or like outcasts in contrast to normal society.


105 posted on 11/24/2008 11:48:29 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Invisigoth

“.... gay to want to shove his foot up your butt ........”

There might have been a better way of saying this. LOL


106 posted on 11/24/2008 12:13:33 PM PST by Gator113 ("Noli nothis permittere te terere.")
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To: Invisigoth

If I understand ‘Evolution Theory’ correctly, it is not likely that homosexuality is hereditary. Assuming that homosexuals have a lower overall fertility rate than heteros, the lower fertility rate characteristic will eventually be eleminated from the gene pool and become extinct.

A lower fertility rate difference as low as 1% would mean that the lower rate characteristic would be eliminated within about 1000 generations.

Just because it may not be hereditary doesn’t therefore mean that it is ‘chosen’.

There is most likely another perfectly scientific explaination.

Homosexuality has been with homosapiens for at least as long as biblical texts.

One possibile explaination is that some unknown (relatively genetically rare ) combination of conditions (genetic, hormonal, environmental) which by themselves don’t affect the fertility rate, but in combination create a receptive enviornment.

Much as there are more melanomas among fair skinned people than darker pigmented people. If every fairskinned person got menanoma eventually there would be no fairskinned people because of the lower fertility rate.

Just because there may be a favorable environment doesn’t mean everyone in this as yet unknown ‘receptive group’ becomes homosexual.


107 posted on 11/24/2008 1:01:38 PM PST by VA Voter
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To: brytlea
It's been pretty clear since he was about five months old that he likes girls,

I'm really curious what you mean by this, and what behavior you base this on.

One incident I remember from when he was five months old was when he was in a doctor's waiting room with his mother. There was an unusually pretty little blonde girl there also who he was looking at. Every time she left the room he burst into tears and when she came back he was happy again.

Other examples:

When he was two, he said, "Mommy, when I grow up I want to marry a girl with big boobies."

When he was 2 1/2 and trick-or-treating during Halloween, he told a number of teenage girls: "You're pretty. You're my girlfriend."

Around this time a teenage girl was staying at our house and he knew she was taking a shower. When she came out of the bathroom he was outside the door looking through some binoculars and he said in a disappointed tone: "You're not naked."

With another female visitor he actually picked the lock on the bathroom. (She was partially dressed.)

He is four now. Recently he confided in his mother that when he says his prayers he asks God for a girlfriend. I know he thinks about this a lot. I won't get into some other things he said, but evidently he wants more from the girlfriend than holding hands.

We've actually a little worried about some of these things, but we've been told it is completely normal.

108 posted on 11/24/2008 2:05:31 PM PST by wideminded
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To: wideminded

LOL I have to wonder where he heard about big boobies when he was two!


110 posted on 11/24/2008 2:16:17 PM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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Romans 1:18-32
112 posted on 11/24/2008 2:16:42 PM PST by OB1kNOb (I for one will NOT welcome our new Marxist overlords.)
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To: Morgana

I ‘spect they would call it a hate crime to abort such a baby. But, as I said, I’d like to hear what they have to say about it.


113 posted on 11/24/2008 2:17:37 PM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: brytlea

Heard about? I think he just looked around and decided what he liked.


115 posted on 11/24/2008 2:22:45 PM PST by wideminded
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To: jagusafr
I don't think it's chosen. I also don't think it's genetic.

I think it's something that happens to the unborn child in the uterus. Hormones.

116 posted on 11/24/2008 2:23:47 PM PST by Texas_shutterbug
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To: wideminded

And he made up the word boobies?
Come on, nothing in your report suggests anything that cannot have been learned. He probably will like girls, most guys do (I have 3 sons, so I’m rather familiar with boys).
Kids tend to emulate what they see and are exposed to as they grow up. Nothing new here.


117 posted on 11/24/2008 2:25:25 PM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: Texas_shutterbug

Interestingly, there was a study done with guinnea pigs who were injected with hormones during pregnancy. The female babies of mothers who were injected with male hormones tended to act like males.


118 posted on 11/24/2008 2:26:33 PM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: Invisigoth

When deciding issues of “nature vs nurture” in medicine the gold standard is to study identical twins raised apart.If,let’s say,they study 2000 such pairs of twins and find that a substantial majority of these pairs either turn out to be both normal or both homosexual then genetics can bee seen as the culprit.Otherwise,genes aren’t a factor.


119 posted on 11/24/2008 2:27:35 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obama:"Ich bin ein beginner")
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To: babble-on
They say they knew as early as they could remember that it was same sex people who made their hearts beat faster, way before puberty.

Wait a minute.I'm entirely normal and when I was young *nobody*,male or female,"made my heart beat faster" until I was at least 10...and maybe even older than 10.What,were these homosexuals on the prowl in the kindergarten playground or something?

120 posted on 11/24/2008 2:32:41 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obama:"Ich bin ein beginner")
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