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Smoke and Mirrors [Ken Miller on Dover]
Discover ^ | 1/2/2009 | Ken Miller

Posted on 01/02/2009 5:04:12 PM PST by Coyoteman

One of the enduring fantasies of the intelligent design (ID) movement is the notion that it might have won the Kitzmiller v. Dover trial if it hadn’t been consistently “misrepresented” in testimony by witnesses from the scientific establishment. Even worse, they point out, when their own heroes like Scott Minnich and Michael Behe attempted to correct those Darwinist distortions, Judge Jones, that liberal, ACLU-friendly activist, paid no attention.

More than three years after Kitzmiller v. Dover, Discovery Institute spokesman Casey Luskin is still trying to win the case. During the trial itself, from which Discovery stalwarts William Dembski and Steven Meyer conspicuously withdrew, Luskin stood just outside the courtroom, spinning the day’s testimony for any reporter willing to listen. Casey’s still spinning, and now he’s doing his manful best to resurrect one of Behe’s favorite arguments for “irreducible complexity” (IC), the vertebrate blood clotting cascade. The culprit in its demise at the Dover trial, of course, was me. But according to Casey, my testimony was nothing more than “Smoke-and-Mirrors.”

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1 posted on 01/02/2009 5:04:13 PM PST by Coyoteman
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To: Coyoteman

Coyoteman...the other Soliton.


2 posted on 01/02/2009 5:32:43 PM PST by Amadeo
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To: Amadeo
Don't you just hate it when someone who knows what he's talking about links to an article written by someone who knows what he's talking about on matters scientific?

Off with their heads!

3 posted on 01/02/2009 5:40:15 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: Amadeo
Coyoteman...the other Soliton.

I'm curious; what exactly is your objection to me or my post?

There are so few scientists left here, surely you don't begrudge us a few posts?

4 posted on 01/02/2009 5:46:26 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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Do you suppose that will be the last we hear of the clotting cascade as “irreducibly complex”, or has it already joined the pantheon of ever repeated (even though totally discredited) creationist “arguments”?


5 posted on 01/02/2009 6:04:55 PM PST by cacoethes_resipisco
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To: Coyoteman

Interesting piece. Always like reading Miller: whip-smart guy, and as a devout Catholic he doesn’t misuse science as a springboard to attacking believers.

Beyond the scientific objections, it seems to me that ID implies a rather weird and comical theology, imputing indecisiveness or fidgetyness to God, Who (supposedly) sometimes allows evolution to do the work, and sometimes does it Himself. Maybe I’m too austere a Methodist, but an image of a lackadaisical God, One Who likes to putter about a bit, then seemingly loses interest and wanders off, seems to me irreverent and perhaps absurd. I wouldn’t say sinful... but really, really strange.


6 posted on 01/02/2009 7:00:54 PM PST by Mogwai (Muslim is the new gay)
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Awaiting for our beaches to be littered with bloodied corpses of dolphins & porpoises due to their missing Factor XII ...

tap, tap. tap. tap.

7 posted on 01/03/2009 1:03:16 AM PST by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: Coyoteman

I am a scientist. What you are doing is not scientific.


8 posted on 01/03/2009 12:52:24 PM PST by Amadeo
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To: Amadeo
I am a scientist. What you are doing is not scientific.

You are correct; I do not do science in internet chat rooms. Science is conducted in the technical journals, conferences, and the like.

But I can offer corrections to those here who abuse science. There are certainly enough folks who are offering their uninformed opinions that there should be no objection when a few scientists reply.

9 posted on 01/03/2009 1:08:16 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Amadeo

Have I entered an alternative reality where words have completely different meanings?


10 posted on 01/04/2009 10:40:38 AM PST by DevNet (!dimensio || !solitron)
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