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Bishop promises un-Christian prayer
The Other McCain/NYTimes.com ^ | January 13, 2009 | Robert Stacy McCain

Posted on 01/13/2009 10:01:33 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY

What did you expect of the un-Christian clergyman?

Bishop Robinson said he had been reading inaugural prayers through history and was "horrified" at how “specifically and aggressively Christian they were.”
"I am very clear," he said, "that this will not be a Christian prayer, and I won't be quoting Scripture or anything like that. The texts that I hold as sacred are not sacred texts for all Americans, and I want all people to feel that this is their prayer."
Bishop Robinson said he might address the prayer to "the God of our many understandings," language that he said he learned from the 12-step program he attended for his alcohol addiction.
Way to go, Vicki Gene.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: coronation; ecusa; homosexualagenda; inauguration; obama; religiousleft; robinson; tec
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1 posted on 01/13/2009 10:01:33 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Maybe he should read from “The Ruby Fruit Jungle” or “Heather Has Two Mommies”.

That’s where his real credo lies.


2 posted on 01/13/2009 10:03:15 AM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“I want all people to feel that this is their prayer”

You failed


3 posted on 01/13/2009 10:04:11 AM PST by Blogger
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Two things:

1. Should have had a barf alert.
2. “ . . . learned from my 12 step program. . .” This says a lot.


4 posted on 01/13/2009 10:05:03 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This guy’s a bishop? Surely not of a real church. Maybe of some multi-culti “church”. The Pope would surely never sanction this...


5 posted on 01/13/2009 10:06:00 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Then, the Bishop should save his breath to cool his soup. It will be a monumental waste of time.


6 posted on 01/13/2009 10:06:07 AM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Puke.

Our Government is completely disgusting.


7 posted on 01/13/2009 10:06:29 AM PST by Boiling Pots (The USA has become one huge pyramid scheme. Thanks George, John, Nancy and Harry.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

ping


8 posted on 01/13/2009 10:07:27 AM PST by unkus
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To: DieHard the Hunter

He is a bishop in the Episcopal Church USA—our part of the Anglicans. Robinson’s elevation to bishop is a significant part of why some of the more “traditional” American Episcopal dioceses are splitting from the ECUSA and joining Anglican dioceses in Africa, run by conservative, Bible-believing clergy.

}:-)4


9 posted on 01/13/2009 10:09:38 AM PST by Moose4 (Hey RNC. Don't move toward the middle. MOVE THE MIDDLE TOWARD YOU.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Why are these people in Churches??


10 posted on 01/13/2009 10:10:35 AM PST by GeronL (sanity prone freeper)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I seem to recall something about “acknowledging and disowning Him before men,” but I’m not a noted cleric like VG, so what do I know....


11 posted on 01/13/2009 10:10:44 AM PST by mikrofon (Catholic BUMP)
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To: Boiling Pots
Actually, it's Dear Leader that's disgusting, try to kiss up to everyone!
12 posted on 01/13/2009 10:12:11 AM PST by Coldwater Creek ("There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological Narcissist as president.")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

What a disgrace, no wonder that church is breaking apart...


13 posted on 01/13/2009 10:12:32 AM PST by icwhatudo
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To: GeronL
"Why are these people in Churches??"

To destroy them.

14 posted on 01/13/2009 10:12:37 AM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Isn't that like non flammable gasoline?

Then it's not a proper prayer.

Without Christian references it becomes just a statement, screed, or rant. So I guess we don't have to bow our heads for suck drivel, since it's a prayless prayer.

15 posted on 01/13/2009 10:13:05 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Episcopal Church bishop.


16 posted on 01/13/2009 10:13:18 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Goo-goo-kajoob, Bishop Robinson, Jesus loves you more than you will know.


17 posted on 01/13/2009 10:14:27 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I can deal with “The God of your understanding” in an AA meeting, but find it quite unacceptable coming from a supposed ‘man of the cloth’.


18 posted on 01/13/2009 10:14:35 AM PST by sweet_diane (I have no problem w/ the color of his skin... it's the content of his character that bothers me!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Just who in the universe is he going to talk to then...??????


19 posted on 01/13/2009 10:15:41 AM PST by LadyPilgrim ((Lifted up was He to die; It is finished was His cry; Hallelujah what a Savior!!!!!! ))
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To: river rat

it seems strange that they would take that career if they feel this way. Like the ‘Church’ of England, I guess its just another government job


20 posted on 01/13/2009 10:15:45 AM PST by GeronL (sanity prone freeper)
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To: Moose4

> He is a bishop in the Episcopal Church USA—our part of the Anglicans. Robinson’s elevation to bishop is a significant part of why some of the more “traditional” American Episcopal dioceses are splitting from the ECUSA and joining Anglican dioceses in Africa, run by conservative, Bible-believing clergy.

Sounds a bit like The United Church of Canada, which is really only a “church” in name, IMO.


21 posted on 01/13/2009 10:19:53 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
What an embarrassment.
22 posted on 01/13/2009 10:21:46 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"The texts that I hold as sacred are not sacred texts for all Americans, and I want all people to feel that this is their prayer."

Performance Art.

23 posted on 01/13/2009 10:22:38 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Definitely, all the non-Christians in our country should not be included in any prayers.


24 posted on 01/13/2009 10:23:48 AM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: Moose4

Amen!

The Episcopal Church USA has transformed into a universal progressive humanist form of religion.

My family and I left three years ago.

We now worship in a conservative Anglican church that holds God’s word as sacred.


25 posted on 01/13/2009 10:24:52 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Free ThinkerNY

May the God of “many understandings” reward you as you deserve, bishop Robinson.


26 posted on 01/13/2009 10:25:04 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (ObamaNation - beyond your expectations.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“un-Christian prayer”

???

Mmmm-kay.

Allmighty Odin,
Grant us the power to crush our enemies.
Grant us the wisdom to manipulate our peers.
Grant us the longevity to reap the spoils.
By Thor’s bottomless tankard,
Huzz-AHH!!!

I’m not so sure how well that’ll go over.


27 posted on 01/13/2009 10:29:38 AM PST by FreedomFerret
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To: servantboy777

> What an embarrassment.

Yeah. I would have thought that if you were a Bishop of a Christian church, you box your corner. Just like a Rabbi would, just like an Imam would. If you’re giving the prayer, your God is the one being invoked: He carries the day and everybody elses god doesn’t.

How is God going to feel about this? Did He not specifically tell us “thou shalt have NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME”? What part of that does this Bishop not understand?

I shouldn’t want to be that Bishop when God decides to settle scores on this. We are also told that He is a jealous God. That doesn’t bode too well for Inclusion.


28 posted on 01/13/2009 10:32:26 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

A number of the “mainline” American Protestant denominations—the Episcopal Church USA, the Methodist Church, the Presbyterian Church USA, among others—have been sliding away from traditional Christian teaching, and politically leftward, for many many years. (Some, like the Congregationals, have already been there.) Along the way, these denominations are losing hundreds of thousands of worshippers, and even entire churches or dioceses are splitting off to find new and more traditionally Bible-based denominations. Conservative Presbyterian groups like the Presbyterian Church in America and the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, for example, are both growing. There’s also a rising number of “non-denominational” churches; my wife and I attend one here in Durham that’s not affiliated with any larger group, but doctrinally is fairly close to the Southern Baptists.

}:-)4


29 posted on 01/13/2009 10:35:33 AM PST by Moose4 (Hey RNC. Don't move toward the middle. MOVE THE MIDDLE TOWARD YOU.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’d tell him to go F himself, but if he could, considering his inclination, he likely would. This guy has turned into a one man wrecking crew for the Episcopal church in America.


30 posted on 01/13/2009 10:38:46 AM PST by CdMGuy
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To: Free ThinkerNY

he doesn’t hold the Bible “sacred”, lying homo


31 posted on 01/13/2009 10:42:57 AM PST by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Will he replace “Our Father which art in heaven” with “To whom it may concern”?


32 posted on 01/13/2009 10:44:11 AM PST by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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To: zot; Interesting Times; SeraphimApprentice

Why am I not surprised?


33 posted on 01/13/2009 10:49:18 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead (3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87))
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To: Free ThinkerNY

A gay bishop that dislikes Christian prayer and likes to imbibe a great deal.

I actually wonder if he is a real priest or not.


34 posted on 01/13/2009 10:54:57 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Barack Obama is a Disney character. His wife - a product of Marvel Comics.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

He is truly a Whack JOB....

The Inagural is like a Nightmare from Twilight Zone


35 posted on 01/13/2009 10:56:54 AM PST by TaraP (The RAPTURE: Seperation of Church and State)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. - Rev 3:16


36 posted on 01/13/2009 11:07:09 AM PST by frossca
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To: mikrofon
I seem to recall something about “acknowledging and disowning Him before men,” but I’m not a noted cleric like VG, so what do I know....

"If you disown me before men, I will disown you before the Father..."

-- Jesus

37 posted on 01/13/2009 11:07:48 AM PST by Interesting Times (For the truth about "swift boating" see ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Surprise, a non-Christian vows to not pray a Christian prayer!


38 posted on 01/13/2009 11:14:53 AM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Interesting Times

It just make sense that Obama would choose the poofter bishop who more than anyone else is the symbol of the destruction of the Anglican / Episcopal church.

Look for more symbols of all kinds of destruction in the days ahead.


39 posted on 01/13/2009 11:18:23 AM PST by Phillipian
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I often wonder if a loving God above us watches what we do and shakes his head in disbelief or sobs at the gift that has been squandered?


40 posted on 01/13/2009 11:28:43 AM PST by NV Lawdog (I'd rather be judged by twelve, than carried by six.)
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To: Interesting Times

I don’t like this bishop guy - I really know who he is, but to play devil’s advocate he does have a point. Not everyone in America is a Christian. There is no state religion - I can see if there was a law or if the Constitution said Christianity was the sanctioned faith. I mean to be fair, what about Jews, Moslems, Buddhists, those Wiccans, Bahias...I know this sounds liberal saying this -

Maybe they should have a chaplin for all the different religions?


41 posted on 01/13/2009 11:29:55 AM PST by Mandingo Conservative (Satan was like the first "community organizer", just ask Eve, the first liberal useful idiot!)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Vicki is the first openly homosexual w/partner to be “falsely ordained” as a bishop.

The Episcopal church even made a mockery of their own canons in regards to who may serve in this capacity.

The bible even lays out the guidelines for who may serve....Vicki doesn't come close to the biblical guidelines. 1Tim 3:2.

The liberals in the church make it up as they go. God's word means nothing to them. They do not want to be accountable, so they change the rules so they do not have to face their sin.

These people are simply mocking God.

42 posted on 01/13/2009 11:31:36 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Mandingo Conservative
Maybe they should have a chaplin for all the different religions?

Certainly. But we'll have to include a voodoo chicken sacrifice to avoid being intolerant and undiverse.

43 posted on 01/13/2009 11:36:47 AM PST by Interesting Times (For the truth about "swift boating" see ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: servantboy777
We now worship in a conservative Anglican church that holds God’s word as sacred.

Really? How do you square a belief that God's word is sacred with the reason the Anglican Church exists?

44 posted on 01/13/2009 11:51:30 AM PST by BrokenSmile (Fiat justitia, ruat caelum)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
As a former fellow Episcopalian I see this wolf in clerical clothing as an excellent example of a careerist who has destroyed the cohesion and logic of my organized faith for his selfish reasons. His espoused logic echos the Unitarian-Universalist 'creed' far more than the beliefs I learned in the Episcopal prayerbook of my youth. Excellent exemplar of why the church of so many of the Founders is rapidly becoming a trust-fund non-entity!
45 posted on 01/13/2009 12:08:19 PM PST by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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To: Mandingo Conservative

That would be the solution. Multiple chaplains each representing his faith. Doing it the V. Gene Monologue way renders the prayer meaningless. Of course, that might be the real intent anyway.


46 posted on 01/13/2009 12:11:03 PM PST by informavoracious
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To: Mandingo Conservative
"Maybe they should have a chaplin..."

Charlie, or Geraldine?

47 posted on 01/13/2009 12:14:17 PM PST by informavoracious
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Not everyone prays, hypocrite. If you truly wanted to live by what you claim to believe, you wouldn't so much as show up in a robe in public, let alone say a generic prayer that might offend the atheists.

I wonder if he truly feels like no one should be allowed to display their faith in public in any way, and that making his prayer "un-christian" is just a step towards acheiving that goal.
48 posted on 01/13/2009 1:36:22 PM PST by messierhunter
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To: Mandingo Conservative
Not everyone in America is a Christian. There is no state religion

Everyone in America, however, is allowed to exercise their faith in public. That goes for Obama as well. He has every right to invite as many or as few priests, pastors, rabbis, etc to his inaugural ceremonies as he wants. That is his personal decision and it has nothing to do with establishing a state religion. He has as much right to invite Vicki as he does Warren. I may prefer one choice over the other myself, but it's not my choice or anyone else's but Obama's.
49 posted on 01/13/2009 1:41:27 PM PST by messierhunter
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To: GreyFriar
Why am I not surprised?

Yeah, this is what I also expected of him.

50 posted on 01/13/2009 1:41:53 PM PST by zot
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