Posted on 01/21/2009 12:58:15 PM PST by Nachum
The following are a series of posts I had over a Youtube video. The video itself was about the Bible Codes, but I could not resist a few posts. Recently I read some good referenced material on Hatred in Islam and wanted to see how these items are reacted to. I think it is instructive.
Here are the posts in order. The poster's name is Bakkuto:
Nachum (18 hours ago) He hates Jews because Islam teaches him to. The Quran, the suras and hadith are a veritable non-stop diatribe against Jews and how evil Islam considers them to be. He is also a bald faced liar.
Bakkuto (5 days ago) And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam)." [29:46]
Thats one more proof, about people of the book in Quran. I'd be happy to explain about more stuff that you don't know about Islam.
Nachum (4 hours ago) That's pleasant. But what about:
"They are cursed amond the devil's minions" 4:60 "Cursed by God, their faces will be obliterated" 4:47 "If they do not accept the truth on the day of judgement, they will be made into apes" 2:65 and 7:166 "and burn in hellfire" 4:55 and my personal favorite.... "The unbelievers amond the people of the book and the pagan shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. 98:7
Oh yes, please teach us oh peaceful follower...
Bakkuto (3 hours ago)
Yeah sure i'll teach you. This is the punishment of God not man. You can't use these against Muslims because its not what he is asked to do, it is whats God going to do in judgment day.
And all of them are out of context, because you didn't even read them, you just copy paste without reading the full verse. Your mistake not the Quran's.
Nachum (1 hour ago) Of course, all of them "out of context". These must just "misguided souls" taking the passages out of context also. Of course, my mistake.
So, when Abbasod caliph al- Mutawakkil made an "anti-dhimmi" decree (850 AD) to nail wooden images of devils to the doors of Jews to distiguish them from Moslems, he was just taking things the "wrong way".
Nachum (1 hour ago) By the way, did you know it was custom of Morroccan Moslems to not tread on the graves of Jews in the 1800's? They actually believed that if a good Moslem walks on a Jewish grave it helps! This was noted by Sir John Drummand-Hay a British Diplomat who wrote in 1844:
"...if a Mohammadan walks on a Jewish Grave he gives relief to the infidel in it, who is in torture, and for this reason should keep away from the grave."
Bakkuto (32 minutes ago) I wont argue that BS because its not in Quran or Hadith. Muhammadi people are not to be considered Muslims too, they are like christians they have the law but yet they don't obey the law. And peoples action does not reflect their religion, Jews for example killed thousand and want more to die, while its against Torah.
Nachum (1 minute ago) I am happy to discuss the paltry numbers that Jews have killed to the massive numbers that Muslims have murdered and held tyrannical rule over for almost a millenia of rulership in the middle east.
The problem is that, if all of the passages one quotes are out of context, and yet the actions of the Moslems of the world reflect an intollerant inflexible rage then the fault lies clearly with the those that dispense the religion. Your words sound peaceful, but the deeds they inpire are hateful.
1) Quran quoted out of context 2) Your historical points are irrellivant to Islam 3) The Jews are killers
There is a lot of diatribe posted on youtube on any given religious video, but I thought this was instructional.
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What about the verse of the rock talking and saying there is a Jew behind me come and slay him.
I’ve had more than a few heated discussions on YT with members of Mad Mo’s gang. They end up sending (to my YT private mailbox) dozens of neo-Nazi and Third Reich glorficiation vids after writing (on the threads) the same tired old BS that guy wrote to you, primarily “the koran quotes you cited are out of context.”
That is a good one also. If he responds again, I will throw that one out there as well. There are 20 aphorisms in the hadiths on why Jews are horrible. There are huge numbers of suras that give license to hatred of Jews in the Quran itself. It goes on and on really. These jokers who try to sound all blissed out with peacefull islum are so full of it. It took all of a few posts to get him to lie profusely.
It appears the entire Koran is out of context.
just ask him to put the suras ect. in context for you if you have it so wrong. see what happens then.
Bakkuto (15 minutes ago)
Jews were around Arabia from south to north, before prophet Muhammad arrived. When he declared the first Islamic state, the jews were the first to try Murder him more than ones, and when they harassed a Muslim woman he decided to take action. Long time after that most Jews traveled north between Rome and Arabia. Muslims took Jerusalem when the Christians of Rome were willing to wipe the Jews of the map, and Muslims are the ones who stood up for them.
Bakkuto
Muslims made Jerusalem the capital of worship for the three Abrahamic religion free for all.
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